Who's the Ace of Deuces?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I mentioned in the PotM thread that Justin Turner looked to have a chance to become the best two in Mets history. Justin Turner! Still technically a rook and it only the first week in June. That's how sick and depraved the assignment of that number has been.

It's sick. All Stars became embarassments in two. Journeymen journeyed on in two. Prospects became... well, they became Wayne Housie. All of them.

So I ask you, gun to your head, with KISS in the background playing "Deuce," which player (no managers or coaches here, includding Valentine) made two shine the brightest in Mets history?

*Thank you, MbtN.

[MFS62]

Marvelous Marv still has a place in my heart.

Anyone who votes for the guy they got for Nolan Ryan should be banned forever from all things Metly.

Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

That won't happen.

I mean sheesh, I love Doug Flynn. If he called me up right now and said, "Edgy, I need you," I'd drop everything and fly to his his side. Just to sit there and be. If he said, "Edgy, it's so good of you to be here... considering who I was traded for," I'd say, "Hush."

That said, there seem to be three good candidates.

[Benjamin Grimm]

My vote is for Mackey Sasser. But Justin Turner definitely has a chance to unseat him.

I'm already starting to wonder who Justin's Rookie-of-the-Year competition will be.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I was kinda into Jose Oquendo back then.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: My vote is for Mackey Sasser. But Justin Turner definitely has a chance to unseat him. I'm already starting to wonder who Justin's Rookie-of-the-Year competition will be.

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[TransMonk]

Gun to my head with the choices above, I go with Turner for hope and lack of a better option.

Bobby Valentine was the best two I've seen in a Mets uni, but I guess managers aren't being included.

[Guest Edgy DC]

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[metirish]

I'm all Bachman Turner Overdrive

[batmagadanleadoff]

The face of the franchise before the arrival of the franchise's Franchise. Bad, but good bad.

[seawolf17]

Throneberry because of his semi-iconic status, but 2 is Bobby V for me.

[batmagadanleadoff]

What other deuce made the cover of a book in a Mets uniform?

[metsmarathon]

per fangraphs, mackey sasser is the most productive metly deuce at 2.9 WAR per his career in the number.
next comes roy staiger at 1.9 WAR, then chuck hiller at 1.2 WAR, and finally justin turner at 1.0 WAR.

it's certainly his number to take. but he's gotta wrest it from mackey

[batmagadanleadoff]

If I owned the Mets, this wouldn't even be a topic for discussion. I'da retired Marv's # a long time ago.

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Edited June 3, 2011 by Guest

[Guest Edgy DC]

seawolf17 wrote: Throneberry because of his semi-iconic status, but 2 is Bobby V for me.

That gun is cocked and loaded, buddy.

[Guest themetfairy]

TransMonk wrote: Gun to my head with the choices above, I go with Turner for hope and lack of a better option. Bobby Valentine was the best two I've seen in a Mets uni, but I guess managers aren't being included.

This

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I picked Mackey.

But I did hesitate once or twice before doing so.

[Guest The Second Spitter]

I never knew the Genius didn't wear 2 as a player. Huh.

[Frayed Knot]

CPF Rankings has Sasser at 146th on the list just nudging out Elster at 150
No one else after that is particularly close

Turner almost certainly could not catch either just via this season alone, but could put a sizable dent in their lead.

[Guest sharpie]

Marv over Mackey over Justin. Maybe next year for Justin.

[Frayed Knot]

I'm giving Elster a vote.
A decent SS gets it over an erratic catcher, and while I understand the Marv love but it's almost entirely symbolic and a bit before my time to boot.

I always thought the Elster shoulder injury and the subsequent parade of low-rent SS brought in to replace him was one of the under-reported factors of the post-'80s NYM collapse.
He may not have developed into an All-Star, but a solid glove-man at that spot who could put up even average numbers is not so easy to find and s having one usually puts you a leg ahead of your competition. The Jeter article in the other thread, while fucking ridiculous in its steered-to conclusion, makes some of those same points.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Ah, but Elster was only a #2 for one year. So Elster only gets #2 credit... for one year.

[TransMonk]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ah, but Elster was only a #2 for one year. So Elster only gets #2 credit... for one year.

That's how I figured it as well.

[Guest sharpie]

Elster also barely played that year. If it was a career for Elster he would win.

[G-Fafif]

Swear I've been mulling this since Saturday night in LF stands, Turner's 2 in my face (albeit from a distance). I've always thought two numbers above all others suck for ballplayers: 2 and 59. Seeing Turner in 2 brought that back from the days of Wayne Housie.

Throenberry may have something 2 do with defining the number in my mind, and he deserves all the accolades (relatively speaking). But I ticked Turner here because Turner turns me on RIGHT NOW!

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Here's a little background on No. 2 Damon Buford I did a little while back:

http://mbtn.net/six-degrees-damon-buford

[G-Fafif]

I had really hoped my calling out to "Demon" Buford would catch on in the latter stages of 1995. He'd steal bases -- be a base-stealing Demon -- and a legend would be born.

That didn't seem to happen.

[Fman99]

I picked Turner as well. Most of these guys who wore #2 also played like it.

[Frayed Knot]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ah, but Elster was only a #2 for one year. So Elster only gets #2 credit... for one year.

Then forget everything I just said.

[Guest Edgy DC]

You are then encouraged to change your vote. Two votes seperate first and third.