Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I dreamed last night Reyes signed a 2-year contract with the Marlins for $60 million.

[ashie62]

The Miami Marlins, new name, logo and apparently budget.

[bmfc1]

A lot of Twitter noise that Jose is about to sign with Miami.

[batmagadanleadoff]

A lot of Twitter noise that Jose is about to sign with Miami.

Report: Jose Reyes to Marlins Done Deal

Posted by: Howard Megdal - Posted in Business of Baseball, Player moves, Today's Mets headlines on Nov 13, 2011

Both Dino Costa of Sirius/XM Radio and Business of Baseball�s Maury Brown are reporting that Jose Reyes to the Marlins is complete. Terms still unknown, and each has a caveat (Costa says Hanley Ramirez needs to sign off on a move to third base, MLB Network Radio says it pending a physical).

I�ve made no secret here and in my other reporting how this seemed to be a near-certainty, given ownership�s financial situation. But my only reaction right now is anger that my daughter won�t get to grow up watching Jose Reyes play on a regular basis.

And if the deal is short, for more annual value, as has been rumored, the one remaining reason not to sign Reyes (beware the ides of long-term contracts) didn�t even apply here. Ridiculous.

The Marlins first arrive at Citi Field on Tuesday, April 24 for a three-game series. It is a Tuesday-Thursday, so good news for the Mets- they�ll sell plenty of tickets for some weeknight games. But without Reyes, they probably shouldn�t get used to that.

http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2011/11/13/report-jose-reyes-to-marlins-done-deal/

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, I caught that too. Maybe, but we don't have much in the way of new sources. Costa --- a gun jumper --- was the original source. Brown's tweet was "MLB Network Radio saying they are NOT reporting Reyes to Marlins. Hearing elsewhere it IS happening."

[metirish]

Never stood a chance, will be interesting to hear his thoughts on the Wilpons, if he has any.

[stevejrogers]

As much as I'm on the "Reyes leaving isn't as big as Seaver/Strawberry leaving" side of things, I'd be highly disappointing if it turned out the Mets never made an offer or were at least given the right to counter. Seems WAY to fast for this to have happened without something from the Met camp.

And this actually gives Reyes bowing out of the final game an even more distasteful feeling.

Seriously, that was it? THAT is your final moment as a Met? No chance for fans to give you a possible final farewell?

And don't give me the "blah blah Ted Williams blah blah, Gods don't take curtain calls blah blah" Updike crap.

Alright, rant over...

Oh, for what it's worth, MLB Network is saying that the above report is NOT true. So we do have some conflicting stories going on.

[Chad ochoseis]

Rotoworld, quoting someone from the Palm Beach Post wrote: Jose Reyes and the Marlins have not agreed to contact terms, according to Joe Capozzi of The Palm Beach Post.Capozzi cited a Marlins team source. Dino Costa of SiriusXM reported Sunday evening that Reyes had agreed to terms with the Marlins and Jorge Sedano of 790 AM The Ticket in Miami followed with a report that a deal was almost completed. But Capozzi is a far more reliable source. We'd expect Reyes to visit more teams before agreeing to a contract.

Sounds like the news is that the Marlins think Jose is a good shortstop and would really like to have him on their team.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Apparently premature.

Still, though.

[Frayed Knot]

Saying that 'Hanley needs to agree first' as the snag holding up the deal sounds like a cheesy excuse for jumping the gun on calling the deal - otherwise known as 'Screwing the Pooch'.

I understand why the Marlins would want to get Ramirez involved but it's not like he has a choice in the matter and if he takes the tact that he's going to refuse to play (like anyone has ever actually followed through on that threat) you either deal him or tell him to suck it up for another year or two until HE is a FA and then he can go play SS anywhere he wants (assuming some other team sees him still playing there in another few seasons).

[Edgy MD]

Alfonso Soriano followed through on the refuse-to-move threat --- for, like, two spring training games.

[metirish]

And hasn't Ramirez already said he would move?

[metirish]

Sandy speaks

Mets GM discusses Jose Reyes' future

By Adam Rubin ESPNNewYork.com Archive MILWAUKEE -- New York Mets general manager Sandy Alderson has spoken with the representatives for Jose Reyes since the free-agent shortstop's visit last week to Miami. And Alderson is under the impression that Reyes is not signing quickly with the Marlins ... or anywhere else. Then again, Alderson noted, closer Jonathan Papelbon already has signed with the Philadelphia Phillies. So you never know. "I've said in the past, these things typically go slowly," Alderson said on Monday afternoon, after arriving at the Pfister Hotel ini Milwaukee for the annual GM meetings. "But apparently Papelbon is already signed." Alderson said he does not expect Reyes' agent, Peter Greenberg, to meet with teams at the GM meetings because Greenberg is out of the country. ESPN's Buster Olney expects Reyes ultimately will land with the Marlins for five years at $90 million to $100 million. As for the Mets' dialogue with Reyes, Alderson said: "We've had some conversations. I wouldn't classify them as substantive -- more than phone tag. ... I don't want to get into any detail. But I also while saying I don't want to comment, I don't want to give you the false impression that we are anywhere along the road. I still think it's early, notwithstanding all the background noise from the last week." Alderson expects to be given a chance to make an offer once it gets late in the process. "Nobody has promised us we'll have the last clear chance, but I would expect we would continue to talk with Jose's agents," Alderson said. "It's been amicable to this point." If Reyes were to end up with the Marlins, or anywhere in the division, the Mets would see the 2011 NL batting champ 18 times a season. Alderson confirmed Ruben Tejada would be the shortstop in Reyes' absence. He did not commit to Daniel Murphy being the primary second baseman in that scenario, but that is expected to be the case. "I don't think Jose ending up anywhere outside the Mets is ideal," Alderson said. "In terms of in the division or out of the division, ultimately that's not something we control." It would be a double-whammy if Reyes ended up with the Marlins. Miami picks ninth in the draft, which means its first-round pick is protected. That means the Mets would get Miami's second-round pick for losing Reyes, not the Marlins' first-round pick. "That's not something we can control, so it's not something I can worry about," Alderson said. Alderson added that he is working under the assumption that the existing draft-pick compensation rules will be in effect for free agents signed this offseason. Major League Baseball and the players' union are nearing a new collective bargaining agreement that will alter the way draft-pick compensation works. "I'm operating on the assumption, the presumption I guess, that the old rules will be grandfathered in for next season," Alderson said. "But I don't know that." Alderson has suggested the Mets' payroll could go from $140 million this past season to less than $100 million on Opening Day in 2012. Asked if the payroll constraint was fueling the Mets' approach to Reyes, Alderson said: "I wouldn't say that's strictly the case -- that if the payroll were higher we would definitely re-sign Jose. I wouldn't say that was necessarily the case." Alderson added that dialogue with other teams is not far enough along that he can conclude that the Mets do not have a shot at re-signing Reyes. Follow Adam Rubin on Twitter: @AdamRubinESPN

[ashie62]

Fuck you Sandy

[Edgy MD]

Where the heck is Greenberg?

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: Where the heck is Greenberg?

I don't know, but it'd be a quite a coup if the Marlins are in the process of signing Reyes while he's out of the country. I'm sure those reports were all totally accurate.

[ashie62]

My temporary favorite player is Hanley Ramirez. Hold em up bitchboy.

[Edgy MD]

The more I look at this, the more I look at Alderson and Ricco trying (and struggling) to construct a scenario whereas they can retain both Reyes and Wright and it means not only backloading, but austerity in almost all other departments. It would mean likely shedding Pelfrey and Pagan and perhaps promoting not-yet-ripe rookies as their replacements. It would mean tossing Paulino over and living with Thole plus Nickeas plus rookies and journeymen. Capuano wants two years? Give him two beers and tell him to get lost. We'll find some other post-op dude to be 2012's Capuano. It would mean perhaps somehow eating 70% of Bay's remaining contract.

It has meant kicking AAAA players to the curb. It has meant cutting administrative staff. I think they've already closed their Venezuelan Academy.

The head-scratcher is that they're still looking to add a veteran closer. That's Reyes money, you fools.

[seawolf17]

Edgy DC wrote: It would mean likely shedding Pelfrey and Pagan and perhaps promoting not-yet-ripe rookies as their replacements. It would mean tossing Paulino over and living with Thole plus Nickeas plus rookies and journeymen.

I agree with every one of your statements. Shed, shed, and toss.

[Ceetar]

seawolf17 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: It would mean likely shedding Pelfrey and Pagan and perhaps promoting not-yet-ripe rookies as their replacements. It would mean tossing Paulino over and living with Thole plus Nickeas plus rookies and journeymen. I agree with every one of your statements. Shed, shed, and toss.

Except Alderson has pointed out that he feels he can afford to sign the other players they need AND Reyes. So the Mets aren't looking to pinch pennies from one to pay for another. Yes, it could get sticky if the the team plays worse next year, but it definitely will if they don't sign him.

[seawolf17]

Ceetar wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: It would mean likely shedding Pelfrey and Pagan and perhaps promoting not-yet-ripe rookies as their replacements. It would mean tossing Paulino over and living with Thole plus Nickeas plus rookies and journeymen. I agree with every one of your statements. Shed, shed, and toss. Except Alderson has pointed out that he feels he can afford to sign the other players they need AND Reyes. So the Mets aren't looking to pinch pennies from one to pay for another. Yes, it could get sticky if the the team plays worse next year, but it definitely will if they don't sign him.

I'm just saying that lost in this whole thing is that I think those three specific guys should be former Mets.

[Ceetar]

Yeah, I disagree, but that's perhaps better for the Non-Tender Pelf thread. I just mean that it doesn't seem like the Mets need to non-tender Pagan and play F-Mart to save 4 million in order to give that to Reyes.

[seawolf17]

Maybe, but that's the perception when Reyes is a Marlin and Pelf gives up fourteen runs in two-thirds of an inning on April 6, 2012, abetted by four Pagan errors.

[Edgy MD]

Except Alderson has pointed out that he feels he can afford to sign the other players they need AND Reyes. So the Mets aren't looking to pinch pennies from one to pay for another.

Every word I read from Alderson seems to be carefully designed to be prepare me for the harsh reality that signing Reyes is no likelihood.

If he signs Reyes and "the other players they need," they will mostly be cheapo versions of the other players they need.

And I'm OK with that.

[Ceetar]

"I don't think Jose ending up anywhere outside the Mets is ideal," Alderson said. "In terms of in the division or out of the division, ultimately that's not something we control."

that quote doesn't sound like spin to cushion the blow. It makes it sound like a priority to me.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Sandy isn't saying that he thinks Jose will return, nor that he thinks he'll be gone. He's preparing us for his loss, but not telling us to give up hope that he'll stay. In other words, he's acknowledging that it can go one way or the other, which may very well be true. (We, the fans, have no real idea of what the Mets can and can't spend.)

Having said that, I agree with the approach that Edgy is spelling out. I'd be fine with the Mets going cheap at several positions in 2012 if it means keeping Jose and David for the long haul. They have a shot at being cheap and fairly productive at first base and second base (and shortstop if Jose leaves). Give Thole a chance to mature, or get a journeyman veteran to catch, or both. I don't have a strong preference there. Centerfield? Ditch Pagan and get a stopgap if you think Angel will be seriously overpaid. If you can keep him at an acceptable price, do so and hope that his 2012 will be more like his 2010.

[Ceetar]

It's not about what Sandy thinks Jose thinks. But the "It's not ideal" quote, among many many others, is suggestive of what Sandy thinks.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I feel so prepared for JoseJose's departure that I'm cycling though all kinds of potential upsides.

Practice being an Optimistic Met Fan with me:

"I don't like how so-called "speed guys" age generally, and think Reyes is already sliding defensively."

"It's a relief to not have so much of the team's fortunes invested in one guy."

"Sure we'll miss Reyes, but we can get 2 guys for what he'd cost!"

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I feel so prepared for JoseJose's departure that I'm cycling though all kinds of potential upsides. Practice being an Optimistic Met Fan with me: "I don't like how so-called "speed guys" age generally, and think Reyes is already sliding defensively." "It's a relief to not have so much of the team's fortunes invested in one guy." "Sure we'll miss Reyes, but we can get 2 guys for what he'd cost!"

none of those scenarios make the Mets better.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Listen to the Pessimistic Met Fan. Geez.