Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

[Benjamin Grimm]

If Jose plays 90 games per year over the next six years, and is paid close to $20 million per year to do it, it would be far better for the Mets if he did that for someone else.

That, I think, is the key. If he's healthy, the Mets are better with him. And if his injury rate accelerates, which it very well might, they're better off without him.

[G-Fafif]

Marlin offer reportedly (per Rosenthal via McCullough) is 6 for 90.

The first solid offer for the services of Jose Reyes has seen the light of day � and it foretells bad news for the Mets. The reliable Fox Sports duo of Ken Rosenthal and Jon Morosi reported early this morning that the Miami Marlins have extended an initial offer of six years, $90 million for Reyes.

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If Jose plays 90 games per year over the next six years, and is paid close to $20 million per year to do it, it would be far better for the Mets if he did that for someone else. That, I think, is the key. If he's healthy, the Mets are better with him. And if his injury rate accelerates, which it very well might, they're better off without him.

he could also never miss a day. I doubt he plays merely 90/yr. Maybe 120-130 a year if he deals with some injuries, but injuries aren't exactly something you can measure. If you only take risks on guys that have never gotten injured, all you get is guys that haven't been injured yet. I especially don't know how you can guess that his injury rate accelerates, since his injuries have been one serious leg injury from which he recovered, and some minor hamstring tightness. some sore hamstrings are expected occasionally, but as he "slows down" he'll be less likely to tweak a muscle tearing around second base at the speed of light, his drives into the gaps will result in doubles instead of triples, and that's clearly still very valuable.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Doesn't appear as though Mets would exceed 6/90 by much. But who knows.

[Benjamin Grimm]

That's "only" $15 million per year. I don't see how it would blow the Mets out of the water.

[batmagadanleadoff]

If the Mets can't afford 6/90 then I suspect that the Mets finances are like the economy: they're in far worse shape than they are willing to admit.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Mets would prolly prefer more $$, fewer years.

[batmagadanleadoff]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Mets would prolly prefer more $$, fewer years.

I don't get it. You mean like

Mets: We'll pay you more than $90M. But you can leave before the sixth season?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

No I was just relaying what Tracky was telling me this morning in the Snooze about the Mets preferring not to exceed 4 years for Reyes.

[TransMonk]

If the Marlins are offering 6 years guaranteed, they can have him as far as I'm concerned.

[batmagadanleadoff]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: No I was just relaying what Tracky was telling me this morning in the Snooze about the Mets preferring not to exceed 4 years for Reyes.

I see. More money per season/less seasons. So something like 4/70, perhaps.

[seawolf17]

I don't think 4/70 gets him. They'll have to top $90M, regardless of years. He's not leaving money on the table.

[Benjamin Grimm]

My sense is that he might take a little less money to stay in New York over going to Detroit or Milwaukee, but Miami is probably a different story.

[batmagadanleadoff]

seawolf17 wrote: I don't think 4/70 gets him. They'll have to top $90M, regardless of years. He's not leaving money on the table.

I agree. I threw out "4/70" only to show that I finally got what JCL was talking about with the less years. But the more I look at 4/70 (which again, is a totally hypothetical offer), the more competitive I think it is. For Reyes to accept a 4/70 deal, Reyes would be gambling that he could average at least more than $10M five and six years out from now. Put that way, 4/70 wouldn't be such an unreasonable offer, though there would be some risk involved, should Reyes accept it.

4/72 or 4/75 would be even more competitive, but at those numbers, the Mets are probably better off matching the 6/90. Anyways, assuming the 6/90 is accurate, it's only the opening offer. Those numbers should move up some during the process.

[Ceetar]

I'd imagine the Mets (But not necessarily Alderson) would prefer more years and less money. It only makes sense. They're likely to lose money next year, even with Reyes, unless they make the playoffs (Practically out of the question w/o him). They may even lose money the year after that. But the goal is to get revenue above payroll, and presumably by raising revenue, which means building a team that's a contender or at least a big draw in say 2016. If they've done that, even if Reyes isn't as good as his peak, it'll be a lot easier to work around his contract versus the extra $5 million+ they'd lose in the immedicity if they went high $ less year.

[smg58]

I'd go as high as 6 and $96. I could live with that not getting it done, but I wouldn't allow Florida to sign him for less than that.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Ceetar wrote: I'd imagine the Mets (But not necessarily Alderson) would prefer more years and less money. It only makes sense.

To the owners, it does. What buyer wouldn't want to pay less for more? But try getting Reyes to take less money for more years.

[Edgy MD]

Ceetar wrote: "I don't think Jose ending up anywhere outside the Mets is ideal," Alderson said. "In terms of in the division or out of the division, ultimately that's not something we control." that quote doesn't sound like spin to cushion the blow. It makes it sound like a priority to me.

I didn't say anything about any spin.

[ashie62]

Reyes to the highest bidder. Sandy's shot..slim and none.

[ashie62]

Just saw the Marlins are 6 for 90? Cmon Sandy, thats EZ

[metirish]

Ashie62 wrote: Just saw the Marlins are 6 for 90? Cmon Sandy, thats EZ

Saw that


"@SI_JonHeyman: Assuming report of $90M for 6 from miami for reyes is right, #mets think they can play there. No 1 expects that to be final # tho"

More

"@SI_JonHeyman: #mets believe reyes will come back to give them a chance after he's done shopping but know he isn't obligated to do so"


"@SI_JonHeyman: Mets gm alderson: we're not initiating any david wright trade talk. Will only consider "if someone blows us away.""


Alderson talking a lot lately

[Edgy MD]

The "blows us away" quote is at least six days old. Heyman thinks Twitter is for recycling.

[TransMonk]

SI_JonHeyman wrote: No 1 expects that to be final # tho

The new journalism.

[Edgy MD]

Go Joelmon!

[batmagadanleadoff]

Is interest in Reyes cooling down?

Competition for free agent Jose Reyes narrows as general managers say no way

Excerpt:

M ILWAUKEE - Amid a Fox Sports report that the money-waving Miami Marlins were already out there with a six-year, $90 million offer for Jose Reyes, there were some initially projected suitors for the Mets free agent shortstop at the GM meetings Tuesday saying they had other priorities. For those keeping score, count the Giants, Angels, Brewers and Nationals all out. Giants GM Brian Sabean�s priority is to lock up his two-time Cy Young Award-winning ace, Tim Lincecum, to a long-term deal. He also looking for a power outfield bat to replace Carlos Beltran, whom he deems too expensive. Angels rookie GM Jerry DiPoto, when asked if his deep-pocketed team might be shopping in the high-end free-agent market for a Reyes, Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder said: �I don't see it right now. I�m looking to create more (payroll) balance and not lock up a good deal of capital by chasing the biggest fish.� Brewers GM Doug Melvin, when asked if the rumors about Milwaukee being active Reyes chasers had any validity, shook his head. �As I�ve been saying, I know all the players out there,� he said, �but what I don�t know are the numbers.� And Nationals GM Mike Rizzo said he was happy with his shortstop incumbent, Ian Desmond, and sees him improving defensively. Assuming all these GMs are not just playing it coy, it could well be that the Mets� only competition for Reyes will be the Marlins.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/competition-free-agent-jose-reyes-narrows-general-managers-article-1.978216#ixzz1dqYl27GO

[Benjamin Grimm]

Innnnteresting.

[smg58]

Of that group, only the Brewers were considered serious suitors for Reyes, and Melvin's quote in no way suggests they're out of it. They and the Cardinals have their own star players to worry about first, though, so Reyes is not their top priority.

The other NL team I could see getting into this is Atlanta, although they're looking to free up some money first.

In the AL, the Tigers have the money and Peralta could move to third base. The Yankees and Red Sox are, happily, not shopping for shortstops, and the Rangers won't be either.

So I don't see more than a handful of teams getting involved, but that doesn't mean a bidding war won't happen.

[Ceetar]

well it's rare that that many teams get involved, and once they do, it easily prices out most of the tepid interest anyway.

the worry was always that one team would do something completely ridiculous, but if Reyes is serious about wanting to stay, if he gives the Mets the counter opportunity on the reasonable (right now, Marlins), he might just accept it, not go back to the bidding team and get them to increase it too (like Beltran did), and then come back to the Mets again.

[Edgy MD]

Commissioner's office reassures teams that they will get their free agent compensation next year no matter the collective bargaining agreement changes.

[MFS62]

smg58 wrote: The Yankees and Red Sox are, happily, not shopping for shortstops,

The Yankees don't have a shortstop.

I say lock up Jose NOW!
Very long term.
A dollar a year for 120 million years should get it done.

Later