Beat My Johnson

[Centerfield]

That is, beat my All-Time, All-Johnson Team.

Rotation
1913 Walter Johnson (36-7, 1.14 ERA)
1997 Randy Johnson (20-4, 2.28 ERA)
2009 Josh Johnson (15-5, 3.23 ERA)
1971 Jerry Johnson (12-9, 2.97 ERA)

Lineup
1. 1996 Lance Johnson CF (BA: 333 9 HR, OPS: 841, 50 SB)
2. 2007 Kelly Johnson 2B (BA: 276, 16 HR, OPS: 832)
3. 2006 Nick Johnson 1B (BA: .290, 23 HR, OPS: 948)
4. 1987 Howard Johnson 3B (BA: 298, 36 HR, OPS: 928)
5. 1933 Roy Johnson LF (BA: .313, 10 HR, OPS: 853)
6. 2006 Reed Johnson RF (BA: 319, 12 HR, OPS: 869)
7. 1999 Charles Johnson C (BA: .251, 16 HR, OPS: .753)
8. 1921 Ernie Johnson SS (BA: 295, 1 HR, OPS: .697)

Who's my fifth starter you ask? Walter Johnson. My closer? Walter Johnson. Pinch hitter? Pinch runner? Defensive replacement? I think you already know...

I'll tell you what, I'll make it fair. Feel free to use two names, one for the lineup, one for the rotation. You still can't top my Johnson.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think Bret Sabrmetric started a similar thread. He may have used the same title.

[Centerfield]

No kidding, really?

So much for my original idea.

[Centerfield]

This must be it:

http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/2000/f1_t2042.shtml

Very similar. But no witty double entendre in the thread title!

[Willets Point]

Centerfield wrote: Very similar. But no witty double entendre in the thread title!

But it could be misheard as "Beat My Ass".

[TransMonk]

My All-Davis Team probably wouldn't beat the All-Johnson Team, but I'll throw it up there:

Rotation:
1934 Curt Davis (19-17, 2.95 ERA)
1920 Dixie Davis (18-12, 3.17 ERA)
1954 Jim Davis (11-7, 3.52 ERA)
2005 Doug Davis (11-11, 3.84 ERA)
1988 Storm Davis (16-7, 3.70 ERA) (Thanks DocTee on edit!)

Bullpen:
1979 Ron Davis (14-2, 2.85 ERA)
1989 Mark Davis (4-3, 1.85 ERA, 44 Svs)

Lineup:
1897 George Davis SS (BA: .353, 10 HR, OPS: .918, 65 SB)
1969 Willie Davis RF (BA: .311, 11 HR, OPS: .811)
1987 Eric Davis CF (BA: .293, 37 HR, OPS: .991)
1962 Tommy Davis 3B (BA: .346, 27 HR, OPS: .910)
1994 Chili Davis LF (BA: .311, 26 HR, OPS: .971)
1984 Alvin Davis 1B (BA: .284, 27 HR, OPS: .888)
1986 Glen Davis DH (BA: .265, 31 HR, OPS: .837)
1983 Jody Davis C (BA: .271, 24 HR, OPS: .795)
1940 Crash Davis 2B (BA: .269, 0 HR, OPS: .623)

Edited September 2, 2010 by Guest

[DocTee]

TM, you need to add Storm Davis to your rotation

1989: 19-7 4.36
1988: 16-7 3.70

<---OE: sez the ever left-out Bob Johnson

[TransMonk]

Thanks, I've added him in.

After looking at the Davis vs. Johnson battle a little closer, I'd bet the Davises could compete. The Johnsons look like a much better rotation, but the Davis clan has a slightly better lineup and bullpen IMO)

[smg58]

So CF, I take it Davey is your manager?

[seawolf17]

Started working on Team Williams, but it's VERY outfield-heavy, and the pitching staff is dreadful.

[DocTee]

Team Martinez could be good, I think, particularly if you add Reginald Martinez Jackson.

[metsmarathon]

team rodriguez may have a punchers chance...

[seawolf17]

DocTee wrote: Team Martinez could be good, I think, particularly if you add Reginald Martinez Jackson.

You'd have to. Otherwise, they're a little weak.

MGR Buck Martinez 1969-1986, minors Mgr John Albert Martinez

C Victor Martinez 2002-2010, minors Victor Jesus Martinez
1B Tino Martinez 1990-2005, minors Constantino Martinez Bamtino
2B Ted Martinez 1970-1979, minors Teodoro Noel (Encarnacion) Martinez
SS Marty Martinez 1962-1972, minors Orlando (Oliva) Martinez
3B Ramon Martinez 1998-2009, minors Ramon E. Martinez
OF Dave Martinez 1986-2001, minors David Martinez
OF Carmelo Martinez 1983-1991, minors Carmelo (Salgado) Martinez
OF Reggie Jackson 1967-1987, minors Reginald Martinez Jackson Mr. October
DH Edgar Martinez 1987-2004, minors Edgar Martinez Gar, Papi
DL Fernando Martinez 2009-2010, minors Jesus Fernando (Alvarez) Martinez

SP Tippy Martinez 1974-1988, minors Felix Anthony Martinez
SP Pedro Martinez 1992-2009, minors Pedro Jaime Martinez
SP Ramon Martinez 1988-2001, minors Ramon Jaime Martinez
SP Dennis Martinez 1976-1998, minors Jose Dennis (Emilia) Martinez El Presidente

The rest:
Alfredo Martinez 1980-1981, minors Alfredo Martinez
Anastacio Martinez 2004-2004, minors Anastacio Euclides Martinez
Carlos Martinez 2006-2009, minors Carlos M. Martinez
Carlos Martinez 1988-1995, minors Carlos Alberto Escobar Martinez
Chito Martinez 1991-1993, minors Reyenaldo Ignacio Martinez
Cristhian Martinez 2009-2010, minors Cristhian A. (Mercedes) Martinez
Domingo Martinez 1992-1993, minors Domingo Emilio (LaFontaine) Martinez
Felix Martinez 1997-2001, minors Felix (Mata) Martinez
Greg Martinez 1998-1998, minors Gregory Alfred Martinez
Hector Martinez 1962-1963, minors Rodolfo Hector Martinez
Javier Martinez 1998-1998, minors Javier Antonio Martinez
Joe Martinez 2009-2010, minors Joseph A. Martinez
Jose Martinez 1969-1970, minors Jose (Azcuiz) Martinez
Jose Martinez 1994-1994, minors Jose Miguel (Martinez) Martinez
Luis Martinez 2003-2003, minors Luis Martinez
Manny Martinez 1996-1999, minors Manuel (de Jesus) Martinez
Pablo Martinez 1996-1996, minors Pablo Made (Valera) Martinez
Pedro Martinez 1993-1997, minors Pedro (Aquino) Martinez
Rogelio Martinez 1950-1950, minors Rogelio Bautista (Ulloa) Martinez Limonar
Sandy Martinez 1995-2004, minors Angel Sandy (Martinez) Martinez
Silvio Martinez 1977-1981, minors Silvio Ramon (Cabrera) Martinez
Tony Martinez 1963-1966, minors Gabriel Antonio (Diaz) Martinez

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Johnsons?

Davises?

Suck on my Willies. Team "Willie" has some pitching holes; the rotation's filled with slightly fluky successes, and the middle-relief is somewhat chuck-and-duck. But they do have got rubber arms... and, oh, that lineup.

ROTATION:
1913 Willie Mitchell (14-8, 1.91 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 217 IP, 159 ERA+)
1928 "Wee Willie" Sherdel (21-10, 2.86 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 140 ERA+)
1903 Willie Sudhoff (21-15, 2.27 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, 293 IP, 128 ERA+)
1950 Willie "the Knuck" Ramsdell (8-14, 3.68 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, 115 ERA+, a friggin' knuckler!)

SWINGMEN:
1987 Willie Fraser (10-10, 3.92 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 110 ERA+)
1997 Willie Blair (16-8, 4.17 ERA, 1.33 WHIP, 111 ERA+)
1994 Willie Banks (11-12, 4.04 ERA, 1.41 WHIP, 107 ERA+)
1929 Claude "Weeping Willie" Willoughby (15-14, 4.99 ERA, 1.62 WHIP, 243 1/3 IP, 104 ERA+)

BULLPEN:
1984 Willie Hernandez (1.92 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, 68 GF, 140 IP, 112 K/36 BB, 32 SV, 188 ERA+)
1996 Willie Adams (4.01 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 76.1 IP, 68 K/20 BB, 128 ERA+)

LINEUP:
RF 1897 "Wee" Willie Keeler (BA: .424, OBP: .464, 0 HR, OPS: 1.003, 64 SB)
2B 1980 Willie Randolph (BA: .294, OBP: .427, 7 HR, OPS: .834, 30 SB, 119 BB)
LF 1973 Willie Stargell (BA: .299, 44 HR, OPS: 1.038, 87 XBH)
CF 1965 Willie Mays (BA: .311, 52 HR, OPS: 1.043, 11.0 B-R WAR, GG)
1B 1969 Willie McCovey (BA: .320, OBP: .453, 45 HR, OPS: 1.108)
3B 1951 Willie "Puddin' Head" Jones (BA: .285, 22 HR, OPS: .828)
SS 1939 Willie Wells (Negro Leagues HOFer, nicknamed "Devil" and "Shakespeare of Shortstops" for his absurdly smooth defensive play)
C 1996 Dan "Willie" Wilson (BA: .285, 18 HR, OPS: .774)

BENCH:
OF 1985 Willie McGee (BA: .353, 10 HR, OPS: .887, 56 SB, GG)
OF 1973 Willie Crawford (BA: .295, 12 HR, OPS: .849, 12 SB)
OF 1968 Willie Horton (BA: .285, 36 HR, OPS: .895)
1B/OF 1983 Willie Upshaw (BA: .306, 27 HR, OPS: .887, 10 SB)
1B/2B/3B/OF 2009 Willy Aybar (BA: .253, 12 HR, OPS: .747)
3B/OF 1997 Willie Greene (BA: .253, 26 HR, OPS: .822)
C 1927 Willie Moore (Warm body in a mask)

[Guest Edgy DC]

That's kind of a pretty good team.

My team just got sad.

[seawolf17]

AND they come with a groundskeeper, too, which is nice.

[Centerfield]

smg58 wrote: So CF, I take it Davey is your manager?

Total brain fart. When I was thinking of this last night, Davey was going to be my Player-Manager.

1973 Davey thumped to the tune of .270, 43 HR, .916 OPS.

I suck worse than Omar.

[smg58]

seawolf17 wrote: Started working on Team Williams, but it's VERY outfield-heavy, and the pitching staff is dreadful.

I looked at them too. Could you count Smokey Joe Williams as a pitcher? He was 41-3 in the Negro Leagues in 1914, and outdueled a number of prominent major leaguers in exhibition games -- including Walter Johnson, at least twice.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I would. And then you've got Woody, and... Dave!

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

As someone who eagerly grabbed Willie Wells as my designated defensive wizard, I'd definitely allow the Smokey Joe inclusion.

On a different note: the Jacksons (nice peaks, but thin) and Smiths (deeper, but without any really dominant players) are really disappointing potential entrants.

[ashie62]

Centerfield wrote: smg58 wrote: So CF, I take it Davey is your manager? Total brain fart. When I was thinking of this last night, Davey was going to be my Player-Manager. 1973 Davey thumped to the tune of .270, 43 HR, .916 OPS. I suck worse than Omar.

No you don't.

[dinosaur jesus]

All-Campaneris:

P: Bert
C: Bert
1B: Bert
2B: Bert
3B: Bert
SS: Bert
LF: Bert
CF: Bert
RF: Bert
Utility: Bert

vs. All-Tovar:

P: Cesar
C: Cesar
1B: Cesar
2B: Cesar
3B: Cesar
SS: Cesar
LF: Cesar
CF: Cesar
RF: Cesar
Utility: Cesar

Campy x 9 won't hit a lot of home runs, but he'll steal some bases for you. And if he's his own manager, you know he's got the green light.

[Guest Vince Coleman Firecracker]

My first shot at Team "John"s without "-sons," with B-R WAR:

C: Johnny Bench, 1972, 9.1 WAR
1B: John Olerud, 1993, 8.3 WAR
2B: Johnny Evers, 1908, 6.5 WAR (B-R listed nickname(s?): "Crab and Trojan")
3B: John Franklin "Home Run" Baker, 1912, 10.0 WAR
SS: John Henry "Pop" Lloyd, Negro Leagues
LF: John Patsy "Tito" Francona, 1959, 5.8 WAR
CF: Johnny Damon, 2000, 6.6 WAR
RF: "Silent" John Titus, 1905, 6.5 WAR

SP: John Clarkson, 1889, 16.0 WAR (He went 49-19 with a 153 ERA+. Only his second-highest win total, though.)
SP: John Dwight "Happy Jack" Chesbro, 1904, 8.8 WAR
SP: John Lackey, 2007, 6.3 WAR
SP: John Smoltz, 1996, 6.1 WAR
SP: Tommy John, 1970, 5.7 WAR

CL: John Franco, 1988, 3.2 WAR

Probably missing a few obvious players and a ton of not-so obvious ones, but my starting lineup and rotation (plus Franco) would be good for about 99 wins over replacement, plus whatever Pop Lloyd did. Figure replacement level around 47 wins, this team could go 146-16 if Lloyd only played at replacement level.

[Guest Vince Coleman Firecracker]

For comparison, CF's team:

Rotation
1913 Walter Johnson (36-7, 1.14 ERA) 12.4 WAR
1997 Randy Johnson (20-4, 2.28 ERA) 7.7 WAR (2002 was B-R's favorite, with an 8.8)
2009 Josh Johnson (15-5, 3.23 ERA) 5.3 WAR (2010: 6.2 so far)
1971 Jerry Johnson (12-9, 2.97 ERA) 0.8 WAR (1969: 0.9)

Lineup
1. 1996 Lance Johnson CF (BA: 333 9 HR, OPS: 841, 50 SB) 6.8 WAR
2. 2007 Kelly Johnson 2B (BA: 276, 16 HR, OPS: 832) 4.3 WAR
3. 2006 Nick Johnson 1B (BA: .290, 23 HR, OPS: 948) 5.2 WAR
4. 1987 Howard Johnson 3B (BA: 298, 36 HR, OPS: 928) 4.5 WAR (1989: 7.7)
5. 1933 Roy Johnson LF (BA: .313, 10 HR, OPS: 853) 3.4 WAR
6. 2006 Reed Johnson RF (BA: 319, 12 HR, OPS: 869) 3.6 WAR
7. 1999 Charles Johnson C (BA: .251, 16 HR, OPS: .753) 2.9 WAR (1997: 4.4)
8. 1921 Ernie Johnson SS (BA: 295, 1 HR, OPS: .697) 1.1 WAR (1916: 1.8)

That's good for around 60 WAR, 67 or so if we go with B-R's favorite years. So they're good for 107-114 wins without counting a fifth starter or closer (not that I'm sure how a closer or fifth starter would work on these teams).

[Guest Vince Coleman Firecracker]

LWFS's Team Willie starting lineup/rotation/closer (yeah, that's an arbitrary cutoff, but whatever) would be good for 75 WAR, plus Willie Wells' best season for at least 121 wins.

Edited September 3, 2010 by Guest

[Guest Vince Coleman Firecracker]

Fat-fingered the edit button. Sorry.