Poll: Citi Field Outfield Fences

[Vic Sage]

i voted yes, but not to affect HRs. Having sat the season in the upper LF corner, i think moving in (and shortening) the fences would radically help the terribly obstructed views, which the team knowingly sacrificed for "intimacy". and speaking of intimacy, i'd like Jeffy and the architects to become intimate with each other, repeatedly, with no lubrication.

[nymr83]

i think moving in (and shortening) the fences would radically help the terribly obstructed views

Thats an argument I can accept, but I don't trust the idiots who gave us obstructed views in the first place to make that determination. If someone independent could conduct a study and tell us that x% of obstructed seats would be better off if you moved the fences in to y dimensions I'd love to see that.

[dgwphotography]

Nymr83 wrote: i think moving in (and shortening) the fences would radically help the terribly obstructed views Thats an argument I can accept, but I don't trust the idiots who gave us obstructed views in the first place to make that determination. If someone independent could conduct a study and tell us that x% of obstructed seats would be better off if you moved the fences in to y dimensions I'd love to see that.

Actually, I think moving home plate up would help more with the obstructed views since the foul lines wouldn't be as deep into the corners...

Personally, I think they should just make the walls one uniform height, get rid of that stupid alcove in right center, and leave everything else alone...

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy DC wrote: Forgive me, as I sympathetically reject the notch on the grounds of its artificial character, but how does the notch threaten people's health?

Irregular jutting that's a bit tougher to resolve in your periphery? I've seen a few LF/CF combos this past year-- home team included-- who seem to approach the edges of the wall recession with trepidation.

[nymr83]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Forgive me, as I sympathetically reject the notch on the grounds of its artificial character, but how does the notch threaten people's health? Irregular jutting that's a bit tougher to resolve in your periphery? I've seen a few LF/CF combos this past year-- home team included-- who seem to approach the edges of the wall recession with trepidation.

our guys, when we actually have the same guys playing out there all year, will learn it. let the road team fear it.

[seawolf17]

Nymr83 wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Forgive me, as I sympathetically reject the notch on the grounds of its artificial character, but how does the notch threaten people's health? Irregular jutting that's a bit tougher to resolve in your periphery? I've seen a few LF/CF combos this past year-- home team included-- who seem to approach the edges of the wall recession with trepidation. our guys, when we actually have the same guys playing out there all year, will learn it. let the road team fear it.

I agree with this. I like the jutting; could be beneficial, I think. Too soon to overreact.

[Ceetar]

I like the park, and while some of the obstructions in certain sections are just a tad too much, I like the quirks. Maybe it's too quirky for the sake of being quirky, but whatever. People criticque what's new, that's just standard practice. 10 years down the road it'll be what it'll be. Although I do recall the Mets saying they built the park to be able to move the fences 6feet in either direction, although I don't see how they could possibly move them out..

I think a lot of it was just a culture shock of change. Sure, some home runs blop off the walls for doubles (or triples if you've got Sheff out there) but we'll be used to that shortly. We talk about "That looked gone off the bat", but our minds are attune to Shea. A couple more years of watching and we'll judge that better too. As will the players. More data first please, before knee-jerk reactions to guys like Klapisch.

Also, the fence height does generally create outs, even if it turns home runs into doubles. I think it creates a little more of a home field advantage in the outfield even, judging the ball height over your head to see if you should go back and try to make a play, or play it off the wall. visitors may see it so high and back up hoping it dies before the fence, whereas Bay will learn that that height will knock off the wall (in fact, given the Monster this is probably his default behavior anyway) and plays the bounce to gun the guy out at third.

[Edgy MD]

I guess a spacious outfield does make a ballhawk like Endy a more valuable asset.

[Edgy MD]

Bump.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Walkoff home runs or no-- fences that preclude home run robbing suck.

[Edgy MD]

Yes, but the offseason argument floated by more than one columnist was that Citifield and it's dimension, as a home park, has been and would remain a liability to the shortsighted team, when evidence so far suggests the opposite is true.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: Yes, but the offseason argument floated by more than one columnist was that Citifield and it's dimension, as a home park, has been and would remain a liability to the shortsighted team, when evidence so far suggests the opposite is true.

If that's true, it seems the Mets have adjusted, and it's become a nice 10th man that's intimidating the other teams. Although I think the Giants have learned that home runs do in fact happen.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy DC wrote: Yes, but the offseason argument floated by more than one columnist was that Citifield and it's dimension, as a home park, has been and would remain a liability to the shortsighted team, when evidence so far suggests the opposite is true.

Well, yes. Columnists... they say a lot of things.

[Edgy MD]

Bob Klapisch: Wrong.

[Fman99]

Edgy DC wrote: Bob Klapisch: Wrong.

I think you got that backwards.

[batmagadanleadoff]

2010 HR's by Mets and Opponents at Citi Field:

46 games/60 HR's -------------1.30 per game


2010 HR's by Mets and Opponents in Met road games:

51 games/101 HR's -----------1.98 per game



This season, Citi Field is reducing HR's by a whopping 33%.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Here are your final tallies for 2010:

Mets and opponent HR's at Citi Field: 110 HR's/81 games = 1.25/game

Mets and opponent HR's in Met road games: 153 HR's/81 games = 1.89/game

[ashie62]

Mr. Wilpon, "Tear down that wall."

[Zvon]

Just lower the height of the walls in places, don't have to bring them in.

I like the cut out area in right. That gives the stadium some individual character. But also have that wall lowered ( No more MODELLS sign, which they'll never do because of the ad revenue I guess, and also I don't know how they would make the seats workout there). This section of wall being too high is my least complaint.

I'm sure some will say overall the big walls also add character to the stadium but I don't think so. Not in a positive way, at the current dimensions.

I can see how the area in right could be cause for a serious injury to someone, someday, and I said that here before the stadium was even completed (it's the odd way the bullpen section comes out from the cutout that was my concern), but now, on the other side of the coin, I can see some great catches and singular type plays occurring there that would not happen anywhere else.

(Maybe they should put bumpers out there in the cut out and lights that flash when the ball hits em and bounces off at some wacky angle, like a pinball machine. Ha, I kid and destroy all credibility anyone would have given this post.)

[metsmarathon]

pinball alley. it was my idea first. damned mets just stoled it.

also, is it worth noting that met batters hit 63 homers at home versus 65 on the road, and have a higher ops at home?

[Guest themetfairy]

metsmarathon wrote: pinball alley. it was my idea first. damned mets just stoled it. also, is it worth noting that met batters hit 63 homers at home versus 65 on the road, and have a higher ops at home?

Totally not worth noting. Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.

[Zvon]

Did anyone see what Jeff W said a few days ago?

[Jeff Wilpon on Citi Field]-- The ownership group will at least discuss changing the dimensions of Citi Field, if the new general manager is interested. The ballpark is cavernous, with high outfield walls. Wilpon mentioned reducing the size of the walls as one option. �We tailored it to what the old GM and the baseball department wanted,� Wilpon said. �There�s some things we can do.�

So Omar (the old GM,lol) is now being blamed for the way Citi Field is laid out?
Ownership had no say in Citi Fields final design?
Jeff, at least you can make me laugh after this season.
That's gotta be good for something.

[Fman99]

If the Wilpons really wanted to build some goodwill with the fans they'd have fired Perez and Castillo too.

[Edgy MD]

That's quite the non-sequiter in the outfield fences thread.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I still want my home run robbing.

[metirish]

Zvon wrote: Did anyone see what Jeff W said a few days ago? [Jeff Wilpon on Citi Field]-- The ownership group will at least discuss changing the dimensions of Citi Field, if the new general manager is interested. The ballpark is cavernous, with high outfield walls. Wilpon mentioned reducing the size of the walls as one option. �We tailored it to what the old GM and the baseball department wanted,� Wilpon said. �There�s some things we can do.� So Omar (the old GM,lol) is now being blamed for the way Citi Field is laid out? Ownership had no say in Citi Fields final design? Jeff, at least you can make me laugh after this season. That's gotta be good for something.

That's just funny , Omar the architect.

[Fman99]

Edgy DC wrote: That's quite the non-sequiter in the outfield fences thread.

Aye.

[Edgy MD]

="The Daily News"]One day after Twins star Justin Morneau called for the fences to be moved in at Minnesota's Target Field, Wright also reiterated his frustration with the dimensions of Citi Field despite his rebound from a career-low 10 homers in'09 to 29 last season.

"I don't think there's any question that it affects your thought process and your swing," Wright said. "I've kind of learned firsthand that you're just not going to hit very many opposite-field home runs at Citi. ... But you just have to deal with it, you have to know the opposing team is going to have to deal with it, and really move on. If they change it, they change it."

[metirish]

I'll never mistake you for Piazza that's for sure David....stfu and hit bitch.

[G-Fafif]

Seeing as how David generally opines that most things are peachy keen, this strikes me as a cry for help.