Halfway Grades & Comments

[ashie62]

First, lets hope 39-42 doesn't become 78-84

Santos B Pleasant surprise, journeyman backup at best
Schneider C Average in all regards
Murphy C- Prospect or suspect?
Delgado A All systems go til injury
Tatis D I'm blaming this on Father time
Castillo B+ Aside from the drop has earned his keep
Cora A- Above and beyond the call of duty
J.Reyes C Was average before injury
Wright B Every superstar has an off year, welcome to it
Sheffield B+ Old Skool work ethic and production has surprised me
Evans INC Trade bait..flakey
Beltran A- A Gazelle, health may be an ongoing concern
Church B Write his name in the lineup everyday and leave him alone
F. Martinez INC Short Sample, but green
J.Reed B Smooth, deserves more time
Santana A- Recent struggles would be overlooked on winning team
Pelfrey C+ Good Start Bad start
Maine C- That shoulder may be Sirloin
O.Perez F But his agent gets an A
L. Hernandez B Innings eater
Nieve B Lightning will leave the bottle
Putz F Was likely damaged goods on arrival
Stokes B Effective
S.Green B See Stokes
Feliciano C+ Generic lefty specialist
F.Rodriguez B+ close to automatic...
Redding D Electric stuff Keith?

J. Manuel C- ineffectual
Minaya D Didn't expand core, bought used but good parts
Citifield A Top Shelf

Mr. Met A will not be replaced by m.e.t.b.o.t or creepy sun baby

Prediction of final record 83-79

[metirish]

Cora gets A- ?

I think his extended play has shown that he is not an everyday player and all this talk about being a great pro means little to me , and at times he has shown that he is not immune to bone head plays.


Keith talked about this guy like he was something else , I used to wonder when keith actually ever saw Cora play and if he was just repeating something he heard. I doubt Keith watches baseball when he is not working.


Good thread though.

[Gwreck]

I'd drop Cora down as well. I'd give F. Rodriguez a higher grade, maybe an A- if not a solid A.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I agree that A- is a little high for Cora, unless we're grading on the curve. He has been asked to fill a role that's beyond his ability, and he's been okay at it, not to mention playing hurt because the team needs him.

Church has been quietly solid. One of the team's top players in June, although that may qualify as faint praise.

Murphy? Ugh! It's too early, perhaps, to give up on him, but he's also shown that he can't be counted on. The Mets have to go 1B shopping this winter.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I ask this every year. Are these guys being rated on different scales or against a universal mean?

[Frayed Knot]

]Mr. Met -- will not be replaced by m.e.t.b.o.t or creepy sun baby

I think this is the most brilliant part of the analysis - even if 'creepy sun baby' has become the unofficial CPF mascot of the 2009 Mets season.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Midseason MVP:

[Guest OlerudOwned]

Minimize Feliciano's role all you want, but he's been damn damn damn good at it again this season.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Feliciano's had maybe 4 bad appearances this year, out of 42. If we're judging each player on their own scale/role, Feliciano's squarely in the A range.


Cora's may be an A interview, but on-field, he's strictly B-/C+ material with Jeteresque shortstop range.


Santos' memorable moments aside, Schneider's been at least as good when on-field... and better at the plate overall (wOBA of .327 to Santos' toxic .310; in about half the plate appearances, his runs-created numbers and counting stats are comparable to Santos').

[m.e.t.b.o.t.]

m.e.t.b.o.t. lacks a sufficiently exuberant personality to unseat the incumbent metropolitan mascot mr. met.

also, m.e.t.b.o.t. is unable to operate t-shirt cannons, and is fairly certain that any attempt to do so would end up in a rapid ascent to the farthest reaches of the promenade level and a unique souvenir for an unsuspecting fan.

[smg58]

Cora's range might be slightly south of average at short, but that's still comfortably better than Jeter. (He's also better at second than Castillo, which ought to be taken into consideration if/when Reyes returns.)

Speaking of Castillo: his walks are negated by his complete lack of power, his range (while improved from last year) is still below average, and the drop tops Glavine's last start on the unforgivability scale.

I'll refer to my comments in the Phillies post-mortem thread concerning Murphy, Tatis, and Church. Stop swinging defensively and drive the ball already.

I've been encouraged by Evans so far, actually.

Nieve was a decent prospect before TJS, so he has more upside than people realize. He must cut down on the walks, though.

I can't give a B to Green while his ERA is 5.00. That's more like D territory to me. And K-Rod and Feliciano should both at least get an A-.

The D for Redding is, unfortunately, generous.

[metsmarathon]

="smg58":1ubjl249]Cora's range might be slightly south of average at short, but that's still comfortably better than Jeter. [/quote:1ubjl249] it pains me to type the next sentence... derek jeter has played the best defensive shortstop in the AL this year. ow. ow. oh god it hurts... oh god.... he's got the 5th best zone rating in the majors (best in the AL) and the second best F% in the majors and the AL, among qualified shortstops. cora, were he to amass sufficient playing time to qualify, would have the 5th lowest ZR in the majors, ahead of only such luminaries as cristian guzman, jack wilson, troy tulowitski, and elvis andrus.

Edgy DC Jul 07 2009 09:42 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 07 2009 10:01 AM

="smg58":7zx11cdp]Speaking of Castillo: his walks are negated by his complete lack of power, his range (while improved from last year) is still below average, and the drop tops Glavine's last start on the unforgivability scale.[/quote:7zx11cdp] It does? I guess I'd like to see that scale. Edgy DC Jul 07 2009 09:45 AM ="metsmarathon":2owzbzz6]ahead of only such luminaries as cristian guzman, jack wilson, troy tulowitski, and elvis andrus.[/quote:2owzbzz6] Wison and Guzman have been at the top of their field in the relatively recent past. It's probably a tight field. TransMonk Jul 07 2009 09:46 AM Agreed. Castillo's drop, however boneheaded, was during as meaningless a regular season game as there is. Glavine tanked it with the season on the line. metsmarathon Jul 07 2009 11:40 AM ="Edgy DC"] ="metsmarathon"]ahead of only such luminaries as cristian guzman, jack wilson, troy tulowitski, and elvis andrus. Wison and Guzman have been at the top of their field in the relatively recent past. It's probably a tight field. actually... um... i need to relook that. i should've noticed something wrong when i first looked, but the zone ratings are all above 1. in fact, jeter is rated a 6. which means he should be fielding 600% of the balls hit to shortstop. and i don't think he is. i don't know what espn is showing, to be honest with you. so instead i looked at the hardball times. they also have jeter as the 5th best shortstop in terms of revised zone rating. ]RZR (or ZR) Revised Zone Rating is the proportion of balls hit into a fielder's zone that he successfully converted into an out. Zone Rating was invented by John Dewan when he was CEO of Stats Inc. John is now the owner of Baseball Info Solutions, where he has revised the original Zone Rating calculation so that it now lists balls handled out of the zone (OOZ) separately (and doesn't include them in the ZR calculation) and doesn't give players extra credit for double plays (Stats had already made that change). We believe both changes improve Zone Ratings substantially. To get a full picture of a player's range, you should evaluate both his Revised Zone Rating and his plays made out of zone (OOZ) his RZR is at 0.833. the leader board looks like this: ryan theriot 0.856 jack wilson 0.855 jj hardy 0.839 elvis andrus 0.837 derek jeter 0.833 alex cora has a 0.765 ZR, which , among qualified players, would put him 4th from the bottom, ahead of jason bartlett (0.764), cristian guzman (0.754) and yuniesky betancourt (0.720!) derek jeter fielded 13 balls out of his zone. i'm not sure how best to look at this stat relative to others, but its the lowest number of balls out of zone among his qualifying peers. also, if i were to look at ball fielded out of zone (OOZ) versus balls in zone (BIZ), he's looking at the lowest rate of OOZ/BIZ among qualified players, with 8%. best among the group is jason bartlett's 27% (is he positioned really wierdly? does he have range only to his left, or only to his right? that's just wierd to me that he's got a terrible RZR and a great OOZ, and not too many errors either!) average is about 14%. alex cora comes in at 6 balls OOZ, among 81 BIZ, for 7%. worse again than derek jeter. Vic Sage Jul 07 2009 11:44 AM Re: Halfway Grades & Comments Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Jul 07 2009 03:46 PM Beltran [A/inc]: having a great year till hurt. Santana [A-]: cooled off in June after amazing April-May, but still best we have, and one of the best there is. Deserves better. Wright [A-] His HR production is down (and, therefore, RBI), but everything else is fine. F.Rodriguez [A-]: Absolutely dominating, till last few weeks Delgado [b+/inc]: up and down, but productive overall until injury; he could be done. Sheffield [b+]: Production from unlikely source is great surprise Feliciano [b+]: Does the job L.Hernandez [b ]: Better than i thought he'd be Nieve [b-]: Came storming out of gate, but has come back to earth. Castillo [b-]: decent OB%, but no more SBs or defensive range, and never had any power. Stokes [b-]: usually effective, in low-leverage innings S.Green [b-]: terrible stretch, but effective ever since Parnell [b-]: great early, crashed lately, perhaps due to overuse. J.Reed [C+]: doing ok job in his limited role Church [C+]: injury, plus initial lack of production; swinging well now. Pelfrey [C+]: consistently inconsistent Pagan [C/inc]: shows flashes, then hits the DL. like always. J.Reyes [C/inc]: Wasn't doing much before injury. Who knows when he is returning? Maine [C/inc]: Inconsistent till hurt; who knows if he's coming back? Santos [C]: good start fooled people into thinking he can hit. He can't. Schneider [C]: we already knew Brian couldn't hit. Cora [C]: utility player of some neglible value Evans [C/inc]: showing flashes Murphy [C-]: showing none of the qualities as a hitter we saw last year. Flash in the pan. Plus his defensive lapses in LF were startling. He seems much more adept at 1b, though. Putz [D/inc]: pitched hurt, then DL. Tatis [D]: more evidence for not re-signing old guys off of career years F. Martinez [D] - short sample, but i've seen enough for now. Redding [F]: Tell me again why we signed this guy? O.Perez [F]: So bad, he got demoted. It helped Trachsel, but will it help Ollie? ------------------ J. Manuel [C-]: He's a head scratcher Minaya [D]: He sucks BHMC Frayed Knot Jul 07 2009 11:51 AM Offense at mid-season: [u:apb0gvq7]Players ranked by PAs[/u:apb0gvq7] Wright - Beltran - Castillo - Murphy - Church Sheffield - Cora - Tatis - Reyes - Santos Delgado - FMartinez - Schneider - Reed - Castro Cora & Santos being 7th & 10th while Reyes & Delgado are 9th & 11th says a lot. Castillo only 1 PA behind Beltran. [u:apb0gvq7]By Runs Created (Source Baseball-Ref)[/u:apb0gvq7]: Wright - Beltran - Sheffield - Castillo - Church Murphy - Reyes - Cora - Delgado - Santos Tatis - Castro - Schneider - Pagan - Reed This one is obviously largely dependent on playing time as well as production. [u:apb0gvq7]Runs Created per Game[/u:apb0gvq7]: Beltran - Delgado - Wright - Sheffiled - Pagan Reyes - Evans - Church - Cora - Castillo Schneider - Castro - Santos - Murphy - Tatis Takes the rate at which a player is producing the building blocks for runs into account. Nice showing by Pagan although that's a small sample he's working with (51 PAs) Gwreck Jul 07 2009 11:54 AM Where does Reed rank in runs created per game? Below Tatis? I've felt he deserves more PT than he gets (if only that he's the best defensive outfielder on the team right now) but I don't think we've seen enough to know if he can actually hit. Frayed Knot Jul 07 2009 11:58 AM Yeah, right below Tatis. I only went with the top 15 in each case figuring that you're just scraping the bottom of the barrel beyond that and dealing with increasingly smaller sample sizes. It's also just hair-splitting at that point anyway, 3.5/gm for Tatis vs 3.4 for Reed. Ashie62 Jul 07 2009 01:15 PM ="Edgy DC":339u3ni9]I ask this every year. Are these guys being rated on different scales or against a universal mean?[/quote:339u3ni9] Good question..I graded players against what my expectations were and are for each..Obviously Wright is better than Santos although they are graded alike As for Cora..he was brought in to be a backup. He has largely played everyday, played through pain, provided some offense and to me shown maturity and leadership on the field. Thats an A- bar to me given his season start role. metirish Jul 07 2009 01:21 PM I dunno what Cora has done to get acclaim for being a leader , it's like if it gets repeated enough then it must be true. I blame Keith . Benjamin Grimm Jul 07 2009 01:24 PM Unless we're in the clubhouse, we don't know who's a leader and who isn't, and we have to take the word of those who do go into the clubhouse. (For the most part. Sometimes, as with Keith Hernandez, you can see that leadership on the field.) And speaking of Keith, I think he has the track record to know who's a leader and who isn't. I trust his judgment in this area. Nymr83 Jul 07 2009 01:32 PM ]also, m.e.t.b.o.t. is unable to operate t-shirt cannons, and is fairly certain that any attempt to do so would end up in a rapid ascent to the farthest reaches of the promenade level and a unique souvenir for an unsuspecting fan. pray that SJR doesnt catch you. MFS62 Jul 15 2009 06:09 PM ="Edgy DC":1vabyzts]I ask this every year. Are these guys being rated on different scales or against a universal mean?[/quote:1vabyzts] My rating scale is based on how the player performed against the expectations I had for that player coming into this season. I also rated based on how well they performed while they played. I didn't hold injuries against them because, well, shit happens. A = far exceeded my expectaions B = exceeded expectations C = met expectations D = did not meet expectations F = did not meet expectations by a wide margin. INC = not enough to judge Santos A Schneider D Murphy D Delgado B Tatis D Castillo B Cora B (maybe even an A) J.Reyes D Wright D Sheffield B Evans INC Beltran C Church C F. Martinez INC J.Reed C Santana B Pelfrey C Maine C O.Perez F (only because I didn't expand my rating scale any lower) L. Hernandez C Nieve A Putz D Stokes C S.Green B Feliciano B F.Rodriguez B Redding D J. Manuel C Minaya D Citifield INC - haven't been there yet. Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

="smg58":7zx11cdp]Speaking of Castillo: his walks are negated by his complete lack of power, his range (while improved from last year) is still below average, and the drop tops Glavine's last start on the unforgivability scale.[/quote:7zx11cdp] It does? I guess I'd like to see that scale.

Edgy DC Jul 07 2009 09:45 AM

="metsmarathon":2owzbzz6]ahead of only such luminaries as cristian guzman, jack wilson, troy tulowitski, and elvis andrus.[/quote:2owzbzz6] Wison and Guzman have been at the top of their field in the relatively recent past. It's probably a tight field. TransMonk Jul 07 2009 09:46 AM Agreed. Castillo's drop, however boneheaded, was during as meaningless a regular season game as there is. Glavine tanked it with the season on the line. metsmarathon Jul 07 2009 11:40 AM ="Edgy DC"] ="metsmarathon"]ahead of only such luminaries as cristian guzman, jack wilson, troy tulowitski, and elvis andrus. Wison and Guzman have been at the top of their field in the relatively recent past. It's probably a tight field. actually... um... i need to relook that. i should've noticed something wrong when i first looked, but the zone ratings are all above 1. in fact, jeter is rated a 6. which means he should be fielding 600% of the balls hit to shortstop. and i don't think he is. i don't know what espn is showing, to be honest with you. so instead i looked at the hardball times. they also have jeter as the 5th best shortstop in terms of revised zone rating. ]RZR (or ZR) Revised Zone Rating is the proportion of balls hit into a fielder's zone that he successfully converted into an out. Zone Rating was invented by John Dewan when he was CEO of Stats Inc. John is now the owner of Baseball Info Solutions, where he has revised the original Zone Rating calculation so that it now lists balls handled out of the zone (OOZ) separately (and doesn't include them in the ZR calculation) and doesn't give players extra credit for double plays (Stats had already made that change). We believe both changes improve Zone Ratings substantially. To get a full picture of a player's range, you should evaluate both his Revised Zone Rating and his plays made out of zone (OOZ) his RZR is at 0.833. the leader board looks like this: ryan theriot 0.856 jack wilson 0.855 jj hardy 0.839 elvis andrus 0.837 derek jeter 0.833 alex cora has a 0.765 ZR, which , among qualified players, would put him 4th from the bottom, ahead of jason bartlett (0.764), cristian guzman (0.754) and yuniesky betancourt (0.720!) derek jeter fielded 13 balls out of his zone. i'm not sure how best to look at this stat relative to others, but its the lowest number of balls out of zone among his qualifying peers. also, if i were to look at ball fielded out of zone (OOZ) versus balls in zone (BIZ), he's looking at the lowest rate of OOZ/BIZ among qualified players, with 8%. best among the group is jason bartlett's 27% (is he positioned really wierdly? does he have range only to his left, or only to his right? that's just wierd to me that he's got a terrible RZR and a great OOZ, and not too many errors either!) average is about 14%. alex cora comes in at 6 balls OOZ, among 81 BIZ, for 7%. worse again than derek jeter. Vic Sage Jul 07 2009 11:44 AM Re: Halfway Grades & Comments Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Jul 07 2009 03:46 PM Beltran [A/inc]: having a great year till hurt. Santana [A-]: cooled off in June after amazing April-May, but still best we have, and one of the best there is. Deserves better. Wright [A-] His HR production is down (and, therefore, RBI), but everything else is fine. F.Rodriguez [A-]: Absolutely dominating, till last few weeks Delgado [b+/inc]: up and down, but productive overall until injury; he could be done. Sheffield [b+]: Production from unlikely source is great surprise Feliciano [b+]: Does the job L.Hernandez [b ]: Better than i thought he'd be Nieve [b-]: Came storming out of gate, but has come back to earth. Castillo [b-]: decent OB%, but no more SBs or defensive range, and never had any power. Stokes [b-]: usually effective, in low-leverage innings S.Green [b-]: terrible stretch, but effective ever since Parnell [b-]: great early, crashed lately, perhaps due to overuse. J.Reed [C+]: doing ok job in his limited role Church [C+]: injury, plus initial lack of production; swinging well now. Pelfrey [C+]: consistently inconsistent Pagan [C/inc]: shows flashes, then hits the DL. like always. J.Reyes [C/inc]: Wasn't doing much before injury. Who knows when he is returning? Maine [C/inc]: Inconsistent till hurt; who knows if he's coming back? Santos [C]: good start fooled people into thinking he can hit. He can't. Schneider [C]: we already knew Brian couldn't hit. Cora [C]: utility player of some neglible value Evans [C/inc]: showing flashes Murphy [C-]: showing none of the qualities as a hitter we saw last year. Flash in the pan. Plus his defensive lapses in LF were startling. He seems much more adept at 1b, though. Putz [D/inc]: pitched hurt, then DL. Tatis [D]: more evidence for not re-signing old guys off of career years F. Martinez [D] - short sample, but i've seen enough for now. Redding [F]: Tell me again why we signed this guy? O.Perez [F]: So bad, he got demoted. It helped Trachsel, but will it help Ollie? ------------------ J. Manuel [C-]: He's a head scratcher Minaya [D]: He sucks BHMC Frayed Knot Jul 07 2009 11:51 AM Offense at mid-season: [u:apb0gvq7]Players ranked by PAs[/u:apb0gvq7] Wright - Beltran - Castillo - Murphy - Church Sheffield - Cora - Tatis - Reyes - Santos Delgado - FMartinez - Schneider - Reed - Castro Cora & Santos being 7th & 10th while Reyes & Delgado are 9th & 11th says a lot. Castillo only 1 PA behind Beltran. [u:apb0gvq7]By Runs Created (Source Baseball-Ref)[/u:apb0gvq7]: Wright - Beltran - Sheffield - Castillo - Church Murphy - Reyes - Cora - Delgado - Santos Tatis - Castro - Schneider - Pagan - Reed This one is obviously largely dependent on playing time as well as production. [u:apb0gvq7]Runs Created per Game[/u:apb0gvq7]: Beltran - Delgado - Wright - Sheffiled - Pagan Reyes - Evans - Church - Cora - Castillo Schneider - Castro - Santos - Murphy - Tatis Takes the rate at which a player is producing the building blocks for runs into account. Nice showing by Pagan although that's a small sample he's working with (51 PAs) Gwreck Jul 07 2009 11:54 AM Where does Reed rank in runs created per game? Below Tatis? I've felt he deserves more PT than he gets (if only that he's the best defensive outfielder on the team right now) but I don't think we've seen enough to know if he can actually hit. Frayed Knot Jul 07 2009 11:58 AM Yeah, right below Tatis. I only went with the top 15 in each case figuring that you're just scraping the bottom of the barrel beyond that and dealing with increasingly smaller sample sizes. It's also just hair-splitting at that point anyway, 3.5/gm for Tatis vs 3.4 for Reed. Ashie62 Jul 07 2009 01:15 PM ="Edgy DC":339u3ni9]I ask this every year. Are these guys being rated on different scales or against a universal mean?[/quote:339u3ni9] Good question..I graded players against what my expectations were and are for each..Obviously Wright is better than Santos although they are graded alike As for Cora..he was brought in to be a backup. He has largely played everyday, played through pain, provided some offense and to me shown maturity and leadership on the field. Thats an A- bar to me given his season start role. metirish Jul 07 2009 01:21 PM I dunno what Cora has done to get acclaim for being a leader , it's like if it gets repeated enough then it must be true. I blame Keith . Benjamin Grimm Jul 07 2009 01:24 PM Unless we're in the clubhouse, we don't know who's a leader and who isn't, and we have to take the word of those who do go into the clubhouse. (For the most part. Sometimes, as with Keith Hernandez, you can see that leadership on the field.) And speaking of Keith, I think he has the track record to know who's a leader and who isn't. I trust his judgment in this area. Nymr83 Jul 07 2009 01:32 PM ]also, m.e.t.b.o.t. is unable to operate t-shirt cannons, and is fairly certain that any attempt to do so would end up in a rapid ascent to the farthest reaches of the promenade level and a unique souvenir for an unsuspecting fan. pray that SJR doesnt catch you. MFS62 Jul 15 2009 06:09 PM ="Edgy DC":1vabyzts]I ask this every year. Are these guys being rated on different scales or against a universal mean?[/quote:1vabyzts] My rating scale is based on how the player performed against the expectations I had for that player coming into this season. I also rated based on how well they performed while they played. I didn't hold injuries against them because, well, shit happens. A = far exceeded my expectaions B = exceeded expectations C = met expectations D = did not meet expectations F = did not meet expectations by a wide margin. INC = not enough to judge Santos A Schneider D Murphy D Delgado B Tatis D Castillo B Cora B (maybe even an A) J.Reyes D Wright D Sheffield B Evans INC Beltran C Church C F. Martinez INC J.Reed C Santana B Pelfrey C Maine C O.Perez F (only because I didn't expand my rating scale any lower) L. Hernandez C Nieve A Putz D Stokes C S.Green B Feliciano B F.Rodriguez B Redding D J. Manuel C Minaya D Citifield INC - haven't been there yet. Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

="metsmarathon":2owzbzz6]ahead of only such luminaries as cristian guzman, jack wilson, troy tulowitski, and elvis andrus.[/quote:2owzbzz6] Wison and Guzman have been at the top of their field in the relatively recent past. It's probably a tight field.

TransMonk Jul 07 2009 09:46 AM

Agreed. Castillo's drop, however boneheaded, was during as meaningless a regular season game as there is. Glavine tanked it with the season on the line.

metsmarathon Jul 07 2009 11:40 AM

="Edgy DC"] ="metsmarathon"]ahead of only such luminaries as cristian guzman, jack wilson, troy tulowitski, and elvis andrus. Wison and Guzman have been at the top of their field in the relatively recent past. It's probably a tight field. actually... um... i need to relook that. i should've noticed something wrong when i first looked, but the zone ratings are all above 1. in fact, jeter is rated a 6. which means he should be fielding 600% of the balls hit to shortstop. and i don't think he is. i don't know what espn is showing, to be honest with you. so instead i looked at the hardball times. they also have jeter as the 5th best shortstop in terms of revised zone rating. ]RZR (or ZR) Revised Zone Rating is the proportion of balls hit into a fielder's zone that he successfully converted into an out. Zone Rating was invented by John Dewan when he was CEO of Stats Inc. John is now the owner of Baseball Info Solutions, where he has revised the original Zone Rating calculation so that it now lists balls handled out of the zone (OOZ) separately (and doesn't include them in the ZR calculation) and doesn't give players extra credit for double plays (Stats had already made that change). We believe both changes improve Zone Ratings substantially. To get a full picture of a player's range, you should evaluate both his Revised Zone Rating and his plays made out of zone (OOZ) his RZR is at 0.833. the leader board looks like this: ryan theriot 0.856 jack wilson 0.855 jj hardy 0.839 elvis andrus 0.837 derek jeter 0.833 alex cora has a 0.765 ZR, which , among qualified players, would put him 4th from the bottom, ahead of jason bartlett (0.764), cristian guzman (0.754) and yuniesky betancourt (0.720!) derek jeter fielded 13 balls out of his zone. i'm not sure how best to look at this stat relative to others, but its the lowest number of balls out of zone among his qualifying peers. also, if i were to look at ball fielded out of zone (OOZ) versus balls in zone (BIZ), he's looking at the lowest rate of OOZ/BIZ among qualified players, with 8%. best among the group is jason bartlett's 27% (is he positioned really wierdly? does he have range only to his left, or only to his right? that's just wierd to me that he's got a terrible RZR and a great OOZ, and not too many errors either!) average is about 14%. alex cora comes in at 6 balls OOZ, among 81 BIZ, for 7%. worse again than derek jeter.

Vic Sage Jul 07 2009 11:44 AM Re: Halfway Grades & Comments Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Jul 07 2009 03:46 PM

Beltran [A/inc]: having a great year till hurt. Santana [A-]: cooled off in June after amazing April-May, but still best we have, and one of the best there is. Deserves better. Wright [A-] His HR production is down (and, therefore, RBI), but everything else is fine. F.Rodriguez [A-]: Absolutely dominating, till last few weeks Delgado [b+/inc]: up and down, but productive overall until injury; he could be done. Sheffield [b+]: Production from unlikely source is great surprise Feliciano [b+]: Does the job L.Hernandez [b ]: Better than i thought he'd be Nieve [b-]: Came storming out of gate, but has come back to earth. Castillo [b-]: decent OB%, but no more SBs or defensive range, and never had any power. Stokes [b-]: usually effective, in low-leverage innings S.Green [b-]: terrible stretch, but effective ever since Parnell [b-]: great early, crashed lately, perhaps due to overuse. J.Reed [C+]: doing ok job in his limited role Church [C+]: injury, plus initial lack of production; swinging well now. Pelfrey [C+]: consistently inconsistent Pagan [C/inc]: shows flashes, then hits the DL. like always. J.Reyes [C/inc]: Wasn't doing much before injury. Who knows when he is returning? Maine [C/inc]: Inconsistent till hurt; who knows if he's coming back? Santos [C]: good start fooled people into thinking he can hit. He can't. Schneider [C]: we already knew Brian couldn't hit. Cora [C]: utility player of some neglible value Evans [C/inc]: showing flashes Murphy [C-]: showing none of the qualities as a hitter we saw last year. Flash in the pan. Plus his defensive lapses in LF were startling. He seems much more adept at 1b, though. Putz [D/inc]: pitched hurt, then DL. Tatis [D]: more evidence for not re-signing old guys off of career years F. Martinez [D] - short sample, but i've seen enough for now. Redding [F]: Tell me again why we signed this guy? O.Perez [F]: So bad, he got demoted. It helped Trachsel, but will it help Ollie? ------------------ J. Manuel [C-]: He's a head scratcher Minaya [D]: He sucks BHMC

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2009 11:51 AM

Offense at mid-season: [u:apb0gvq7]Players ranked by PAs[/u:apb0gvq7] Wright - Beltran - Castillo - Murphy - Church Sheffield - Cora - Tatis - Reyes - Santos Delgado - FMartinez - Schneider - Reed - Castro Cora & Santos being 7th & 10th while Reyes & Delgado are 9th & 11th says a lot. Castillo only 1 PA behind Beltran. [u:apb0gvq7]By Runs Created (Source Baseball-Ref)[/u:apb0gvq7]: Wright - Beltran - Sheffield - Castillo - Church Murphy - Reyes - Cora - Delgado - Santos Tatis - Castro - Schneider - Pagan - Reed This one is obviously largely dependent on playing time as well as production. [u:apb0gvq7]Runs Created per Game[/u:apb0gvq7]: Beltran - Delgado - Wright - Sheffiled - Pagan Reyes - Evans - Church - Cora - Castillo Schneider - Castro - Santos - Murphy - Tatis Takes the rate at which a player is producing the building blocks for runs into account. Nice showing by Pagan although that's a small sample he's working with (51 PAs)

Gwreck Jul 07 2009 11:54 AM

Where does Reed rank in runs created per game? Below Tatis? I've felt he deserves more PT than he gets (if only that he's the best defensive outfielder on the team right now) but I don't think we've seen enough to know if he can actually hit.

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2009 11:58 AM

Yeah, right below Tatis. I only went with the top 15 in each case figuring that you're just scraping the bottom of the barrel beyond that and dealing with increasingly smaller sample sizes. It's also just hair-splitting at that point anyway, 3.5/gm for Tatis vs 3.4 for Reed.

Ashie62 Jul 07 2009 01:15 PM

="Edgy DC":339u3ni9]I ask this every year. Are these guys being rated on different scales or against a universal mean?[/quote:339u3ni9] Good question..I graded players against what my expectations were and are for each..Obviously Wright is better than Santos although they are graded alike As for Cora..he was brought in to be a backup. He has largely played everyday, played through pain, provided some offense and to me shown maturity and leadership on the field. Thats an A- bar to me given his season start role. metirish Jul 07 2009 01:21 PM I dunno what Cora has done to get acclaim for being a leader , it's like if it gets repeated enough then it must be true. I blame Keith . Benjamin Grimm Jul 07 2009 01:24 PM Unless we're in the clubhouse, we don't know who's a leader and who isn't, and we have to take the word of those who do go into the clubhouse. (For the most part. Sometimes, as with Keith Hernandez, you can see that leadership on the field.) And speaking of Keith, I think he has the track record to know who's a leader and who isn't. I trust his judgment in this area. Nymr83 Jul 07 2009 01:32 PM ]also, m.e.t.b.o.t. is unable to operate t-shirt cannons, and is fairly certain that any attempt to do so would end up in a rapid ascent to the farthest reaches of the promenade level and a unique souvenir for an unsuspecting fan. pray that SJR doesnt catch you. MFS62 Jul 15 2009 06:09 PM ="Edgy DC":1vabyzts]I ask this every year. Are these guys being rated on different scales or against a universal mean?[/quote:1vabyzts] My rating scale is based on how the player performed against the expectations I had for that player coming into this season. I also rated based on how well they performed while they played. I didn't hold injuries against them because, well, shit happens. A = far exceeded my expectaions B = exceeded expectations C = met expectations D = did not meet expectations F = did not meet expectations by a wide margin. INC = not enough to judge Santos A Schneider D Murphy D Delgado B Tatis D Castillo B Cora B (maybe even an A) J.Reyes D Wright D Sheffield B Evans INC Beltran C Church C F. Martinez INC J.Reed C Santana B Pelfrey C Maine C O.Perez F (only because I didn't expand my rating scale any lower) L. Hernandez C Nieve A Putz D Stokes C S.Green B Feliciano B F.Rodriguez B Redding D J. Manuel C Minaya D Citifield INC - haven't been there yet. Later

[TransMonk]

Agreed. Castillo's drop, however boneheaded, was during as meaningless a regular season game as there is. Glavine tanked it with the season on the line.

[metsmarathon]

="Edgy DC"] ="metsmarathon"]ahead of only such luminaries as cristian guzman, jack wilson, troy tulowitski, and elvis andrus. Wison and Guzman have been at the top of their field in the relatively recent past. It's probably a tight field.

actually... um... i need to relook that. i should've noticed something wrong when i first looked, but the zone ratings are all above 1. in fact, jeter is rated a 6. which means he should be fielding 600% of the balls hit to shortstop. and i don't think he is.

i don't know what espn is showing, to be honest with you.

so instead i looked at the hardball times. they also have jeter as the 5th best shortstop in terms of revised zone rating.

]RZR (or ZR) Revised Zone Rating is the proportion of balls hit into a fielder's zone that he successfully converted into an out. Zone Rating was invented by John Dewan when he was CEO of Stats Inc. John is now the owner of Baseball Info Solutions, where he has revised the original Zone Rating calculation so that it now lists balls handled out of the zone (OOZ) separately (and doesn't include them in the ZR calculation) and doesn't give players extra credit for double plays (Stats had already made that change). We believe both changes improve Zone Ratings substantially. To get a full picture of a player's range, you should evaluate both his Revised Zone Rating and his plays made out of zone (OOZ)

his RZR is at 0.833. the leader board looks like this:

ryan theriot	0.856
jack wilson	0.855
jj hardy	0.839
elvis andrus	0.837
derek jeter	0.833

alex cora has a 0.765 ZR, which , among qualified players, would put him 4th from the bottom, ahead of jason bartlett (0.764), cristian guzman (0.754) and yuniesky betancourt (0.720!)

derek jeter fielded 13 balls out of his zone. i'm not sure how best to look at this stat relative to others, but its the lowest number of balls out of zone among his qualifying peers. also, if i were to look at ball fielded out of zone (OOZ) versus balls in zone (BIZ), he's looking at the lowest rate of OOZ/BIZ among qualified players, with 8%. best among the group is jason bartlett's 27% (is he positioned really wierdly? does he have range only to his left, or only to his right? that's just wierd to me that he's got a terrible RZR and a great OOZ, and not too many errors either!)

average is about 14%.

alex cora comes in at 6 balls OOZ, among 81 BIZ, for 7%. worse again than derek jeter.

[Vic Sage]

Beltran [A/inc]: having a great year till hurt.

Santana [A-]: cooled off in June after amazing April-May, but still best we have, and one of the best there is. Deserves better.

Wright [A-] His HR production is down (and, therefore, RBI), but everything else is fine.

F.Rodriguez [A-]: Absolutely dominating, till last few weeks

Delgado [b+/inc]: up and down, but productive overall until injury; he could be done.

Sheffield [b+]: Production from unlikely source is great surprise

Feliciano [b+]: Does the job

L.Hernandez [b ]: Better than i thought he'd be

Nieve [b-]: Came storming out of gate, but has come back to earth.

Castillo [b-]: decent OB%, but no more SBs or defensive range, and never had any power.

Stokes [b-]: usually effective, in low-leverage innings

S.Green [b-]: terrible stretch, but effective ever since

Parnell [b-]: great early, crashed lately, perhaps due to overuse.

J.Reed [C+]: doing ok job in his limited role

Church [C+]: injury, plus initial lack of production; swinging well now.

Pelfrey [C+]: consistently inconsistent

Pagan [C/inc]: shows flashes, then hits the DL. like always.

J.Reyes [C/inc]: Wasn't doing much before injury. Who knows when he is returning?

Maine [C/inc]: Inconsistent till hurt; who knows if he's coming back?

Santos [C]: good start fooled people into thinking he can hit. He can't.

Schneider [C]: we already knew Brian couldn't hit.

Cora [C]: utility player of some neglible value

Evans [C/inc]: showing flashes

Murphy [C-]: showing none of the qualities as a hitter we saw last year. Flash in the pan. Plus his defensive lapses in LF were startling. He seems much more adept at 1b, though.

Putz [D/inc]: pitched hurt, then DL.

Tatis [D]: more evidence for not re-signing old guys off of career years

F. Martinez [D] - short sample, but i've seen enough for now.

Redding [F]: Tell me again why we signed this guy?

O.Perez [F]: So bad, he got demoted. It helped Trachsel, but will it help Ollie?

------------------

J. Manuel [C-]: He's a head scratcher

Minaya [D]: He sucks BHMC

[Frayed Knot]

Offense at mid-season:

[u:apb0gvq7]Players ranked by PAs[/u:apb0gvq7]
Wright - Beltran - Castillo - Murphy - Church
Sheffield - Cora - Tatis - Reyes - Santos
Delgado - FMartinez - Schneider - Reed - Castro

Cora & Santos being 7th & 10th while Reyes & Delgado are 9th & 11th says a lot.
Castillo only 1 PA behind Beltran.


[u:apb0gvq7]By Runs Created (Source Baseball-Ref)[/u:apb0gvq7]:
Wright - Beltran - Sheffield - Castillo - Church
Murphy - Reyes - Cora - Delgado - Santos
Tatis - Castro - Schneider - Pagan - Reed

This one is obviously largely dependent on playing time as well as production.


[u:apb0gvq7]Runs Created per Game[/u:apb0gvq7]:
Beltran - Delgado - Wright - Sheffiled - Pagan
Reyes - Evans - Church - Cora - Castillo
Schneider - Castro - Santos - Murphy - Tatis

Takes the rate at which a player is producing the building blocks for runs into account. Nice showing by Pagan although that's a small sample he's working with (51 PAs)

[Gwreck]

Where does Reed rank in runs created per game? Below Tatis? I've felt he deserves more PT than he gets (if only that he's the best defensive outfielder on the team right now) but I don't think we've seen enough to know if he can actually hit.

[Frayed Knot]

Yeah, right below Tatis.

I only went with the top 15 in each case figuring that you're just scraping the bottom of the barrel beyond that and dealing with increasingly smaller sample sizes. It's also just hair-splitting at that point anyway, 3.5/gm for Tatis vs 3.4 for Reed.

[ashie62]

="Edgy DC":339u3ni9]I ask this every year. Are these guys being rated on different scales or against a universal mean?[/quote:339u3ni9] Good question..I graded players against what my expectations were and are for each..Obviously Wright is better than Santos although they are graded alike As for Cora..he was brought in to be a backup. He has largely played everyday, played through pain, provided some offense and to me shown maturity and leadership on the field. Thats an A- bar to me given his season start role.

metirish Jul 07 2009 01:21 PM

I dunno what Cora has done to get acclaim for being a leader , it's like if it gets repeated enough then it must be true. I blame Keith .

Benjamin Grimm Jul 07 2009 01:24 PM

Unless we're in the clubhouse, we don't know who's a leader and who isn't, and we have to take the word of those who do go into the clubhouse. (For the most part. Sometimes, as with Keith Hernandez, you can see that leadership on the field.) And speaking of Keith, I think he has the track record to know who's a leader and who isn't. I trust his judgment in this area.

Nymr83 Jul 07 2009 01:32 PM

]also, m.e.t.b.o.t. is unable to operate t-shirt cannons, and is fairly certain that any attempt to do so would end up in a rapid ascent to the farthest reaches of the promenade level and a unique souvenir for an unsuspecting fan. pray that SJR doesnt catch you.

MFS62 Jul 15 2009 06:09 PM

="Edgy DC":1vabyzts]I ask this every year. Are these guys being rated on different scales or against a universal mean?[/quote:1vabyzts] My rating scale is based on how the player performed against the expectations I had for that player coming into this season. I also rated based on how well they performed while they played. I didn't hold injuries against them because, well, shit happens. A = far exceeded my expectaions B = exceeded expectations C = met expectations D = did not meet expectations F = did not meet expectations by a wide margin. INC = not enough to judge Santos A Schneider D Murphy D Delgado B Tatis D Castillo B Cora B (maybe even an A) J.Reyes D Wright D Sheffield B Evans INC Beltran C Church C F. Martinez INC J.Reed C Santana B Pelfrey C Maine C O.Perez F (only because I didn't expand my rating scale any lower) L. Hernandez C Nieve A Putz D Stokes C S.Green B Feliciano B F.Rodriguez B Redding D J. Manuel C Minaya D Citifield INC - haven't been there yet. Later

[metirish]

I dunno what Cora has done to get acclaim for being a leader , it's like if it gets repeated enough then it must be true.


I blame Keith .

[Benjamin Grimm]

Unless we're in the clubhouse, we don't know who's a leader and who isn't, and we have to take the word of those who do go into the clubhouse. (For the most part. Sometimes, as with Keith Hernandez, you can see that leadership on the field.)

And speaking of Keith, I think he has the track record to know who's a leader and who isn't. I trust his judgment in this area.

[nymr83]

]also, m.e.t.b.o.t. is unable to operate t-shirt cannons, and is fairly certain that any attempt to do so would end up in a rapid ascent to the farthest reaches of the promenade level and a unique souvenir for an unsuspecting fan.

pray that SJR doesnt catch you.

[MFS62]

="Edgy DC":1vabyzts]I ask this every year. Are these guys being rated on different scales or against a universal mean?[/quote:1vabyzts] My rating scale is based on how the player performed against the expectations I had for that player coming into this season. I also rated based on how well they performed while they played. I didn't hold injuries against them because, well, shit happens. A = far exceeded my expectaions B = exceeded expectations C = met expectations D = did not meet expectations F = did not meet expectations by a wide margin. INC = not enough to judge Santos A Schneider D Murphy D Delgado B Tatis D Castillo B Cora B (maybe even an A) J.Reyes D Wright D Sheffield B Evans INC Beltran C Church C F. Martinez INC J.Reed C Santana B Pelfrey C Maine C O.Perez F (only because I didn't expand my rating scale any lower) L. Hernandez C Nieve A Putz D Stokes C S.Green B Feliciano B F.Rodriguez B Redding D J. Manuel C Minaya D Citifield INC - haven't been there yet. Later