Closing in on a closer

[Guest Kong76]

C'mon guys, if Trevor is our closer for 2009 I'll taking up knitting instead of
watching the closing innings of Mets' games.

There's only one closer that should be on the Mets' radar.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'll say three with Rodriguez, Fuentes, and Wood in the mix. Trevor Hoffman? Gaby Hoffman, maybe, but not Trevor.

[Fman99]

="smg58":25fovtlb]Trevor could be a bargain. His year finished much better than it started. The catch is he's not more than a 50-inning pitcher at this point, but if you get a couple of innings-eaters in place, he could still be a good fit.[/quote:25fovtlb] He's beyond done. He's had numerous late season chances to earn his pay and come up empty. We already have guys who can do that.

DocTee Nov 15 2008 08:46 PM

I prevor Hoffman to Fuentes. My preference is Kerry Wood.

Frayed Knot Nov 16 2008 06:08 AM

Hoffman's numbers this season weren't as bad as I thought. Only 45 innings worth (missed some time due to injury) but a real good WHiP and his K/BB and H/IP ratios suggest he deserved a better ERA than the 3.7 he put up. On the other hand he just turned 41, had a real good pitchers park to call home, and a fastball/changeup pitcher with a diminshing fastball kinda scares you. And then there's some interesting stuff in Joel Sherman's NYPost column today - enough to suggest that they're not just going to throw money at the problem and hope for the best. There is growing belief in the industry, in fact, that Rodriguez will have to retreat from his five-year, $75 million demands and accept four years. Yet, the Mets still might prefer Fuentes. K-Rod did set the season record with 62 saves in 2008. But one Mets official had this insight: "When it comes to statistics, we are not basing this decision on save totals; at least not save totals alone." The Mets will honor, among other items, strikeout-to-walk ratio and on-base percentage against. And I came across this stat just out of curiosity: Rodriguez registered 1-2-3 frames in a career-low 29.2 percent of his innings (all figures courtesy of Elias). That ranked 151st out of 253 pitchers who worked at least 60 innings in 2008. Fuentes (41.3) was 13th, Wood (38.1) was 28th, Street (38.0), even with diminished stuff, was 29th, and another free agent, Brandon Lyon (37.7) was 31st. Rodriguez's stuff is not as electric as in the past, possibly because his high-effort delivery has robbed some life from his arm, though he is just 26. The Mets could wonder if the lack of clean 1-2-3 innings will continue to grow with age now, and if Rodriguez loses more stuff, will he be able to extract himself from difficulty with the same excellence?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 16 2008 06:15 AM

I don;t want K-Rod because expectations that will come along with him will be nearly impossible to meet. A guy like Fuentes could exceed expectations and doesn't have such a brand name that he could be shuffled to a setup role without the world coming to an end.

Frayed Knot Nov 16 2008 09:32 AM

On the trade front, the scribes have a bit of disagreement on the status of ChiSox closer Bobby Jenks. The Post's Sherman declares it a virtually still-born idea citing too high an asking price (Fartinez + ?) combined with questions about decreasing K-rates and whether the Sox are making him available in the first place because they know something about him that other teams will only find out the hard way. Newsday's Davidoff, on the other hand, suggests a trade is in some ways preferable to the FA route and includes insider-ish quotes on how those plummeting K-rates are really signs of Jenks becoming a more complete pitcher. I do know Jenks had a real ass-hat rep early in his career. He came out of some trailer-park/white-trash kind of background complete with the requisite drinking problem which was at least part of what led to his release from the Angels org while still a minor-leaguer despite his ability to hit triple-digits on the radar gun. He of course then went on to anchor the Sox pen in their '05 run to the WS and I haven't heard about any problems since so maybe all that nonsense is behind him.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 17 2008 09:17 AM

]Mets expected to make offers soon BY DAVID LENNON November 17, 2008 The Mets' true offseason strategy will reveal itself this week when general manager Omar Minaya finally extends offers to his top free-agent targets. A person familiar with the situation did not specify which day Minaya will deliver the numbers to Francisco Rodriguez or Brian Fuentes. He also could make an offer to starting pitchers such as Derek Lowe. That represents a significant step, considering that the Mets have talked about a number of different options - including a trade for the White Sox's Bobby Jenks - in order to fill their vacant closer slot. But now that Minaya is ready to talk years and dollars, it appears that his preference is to see where the free-agent market goes first. The Mets' plan will be much different from what the Yankees did Friday in making an offer to CC Sabathia that is said to be for six years and about $140 million. Expect Minaya to start small and work his way up the ladder in a negotiating process that should extend into the winter meetings, which begin Dec. 8 in Las Vegas. Ideally, Minaya would prefer no longer than a three-year deal for K-Rod or Fuentes, and it's realistic to think that the first to agree to that length could become the Mets' closer. Rodriguez's agent, Paul Kinzer, hinted at a five-year contract for his client, but four is more likely and three is a possibility, depending on the market. The Mets already have suggested that K-Rod, despite the best resume among the candidates, is not a slam-dunk to anchor their bullpen. But it's difficult to determine if their reservations about Rodriguez - floated publicly as concerns - are legit or merely a negotiating ploy to get him at their price. The money, it seems, is not nearly as important to the Mets as the number of years. They learned their lesson with Billy Wagner, who will collect $10.5 million on the DL next year - the final season of his four-year, $43-million contract - because of Tommy John surgery.

Number 6 Nov 17 2008 12:58 PM

="Frayed Knot":1grv257o]He came out of some trailer-park/white-trash kind of background complete with the requisite drinking problem...[/quote:1grv257o] I don't know you, but I've read your posts and I generally respect your point of view. Here, though, I think you may want an opportunity to choose your words more carefully. MFS62 Nov 19 2008 08:42 AM I think that there will be help for the bullpen that is already on the roster. Duaner Sanchez. He had the kind of surgery that had never been attempted before for a pitcher. It was not TJ surgery. Doctors didn't know if he would ever pitch again. He did, and at times showed some of his prior effectiveness. Then, it appeared he experienced arm fatigue and his performance level decreased. Now, with a full winter to rest, I think he can again be a valuable contributor to the bullpen Later John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 19 2008 08:45 AM I'd say there's a better chance Duaner Sanchez is finished than becomes a closer. Benjamin Grimm Nov 19 2008 09:03 AM He may still have something to contribute, but I certainly wouldn't want to position the Mets to where they're counting on him for 2009. Figure anything he provides is a bonus, but don't expect much. seawolf17 Nov 20 2008 11:18 AM From Jayson Stark: ]The Marlins traded Kevin Gregg but will plug in the up-and-coming Matt Lindstrom ... The Padres pushed Hoffman out their door, and they probably will stay in-house and go with Heath Bell. (sigh) smg58 Nov 20 2008 06:36 PM Bill James does all sorts of weird statistical analyses on his website, but this one jumped out at me. Duaner Sanchez in 2006: 44 shutout innings in 55.1 IP Duaner Sanchez in 2008: 46 shutout innings in 58.1 IP He clearly had an issue with blowup innings this year, but he had good outings at the same rate that he had them in 06. That gives me some reason for optimism with him. Not enough that I'd want him to close, but certainly enough to tender him a contract. I also think he's likely to be worth more than anything we could get in return. Nymr83 Nov 20 2008 06:56 PM I'd like to see Sanchez back in a middle relief role, he could regain his form now that he is further removed from his injury, and its not like he was TERRIBLE last year, just slightly below average. Edgy DC Nov 20 2008 07:44 PM But he wasn't overpowering anybody. I got the notion that any success he had was just the ball bouncing well for him. That's mostly my impression. His strikeout rate was pretty similar, and velocity can return in year two after surgery, but it's not like his surgery has a lot of precedent either. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 20 2008 07:46 PM ="smg58":3f37zrot] He clearly had an issue with blowup innings this year, but he had good outings at the same rate that he had them in 06. That gives me some reason for optimism with him. Not enough that I'd want him to close, but certainly enough to tender him a contract. I also think he's likely to be worth more than anything we could get in return.[/quote:3f37zrot] And get nothing for Tim Hamulack? I'm willing to be proven wrong here but I'd be very surprised if Sanchez is ever more than a fringe major leaguer from this point. He showed seriously diminished velocity from about June on and when the Mets needed someone to step up and give them some quality and durability late last year he was nowhere to be found. Benjamin Grimm Nov 27 2008 07:38 AM ="Adam Rubin"]Brian Fuentes' price Rocks Omar Minaya By ADAM RUBIN DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Thursday, November 27th 2008, 12:45 AM Brian Fuentes' agent tells Mets he's looking for three-year deal, in the $30 million-$33 million range. Brian Fuentes' representatives told the Mets the free agent closer is seeking a three-year deal worth $10 million to $11 million annually, according to a source familiar with the discussion. That price tag is a bit high for the Mets, but they are still interested in the former Rockie. GM Omar Minaya contacted the agents for Francisco Rodriguez and Fuentes on Tuesday, trying to lay the groundwork for in-person meetings. The Mets appear to be moving on parallel tracks with both free agents, content to sign either if the price is right. But a $30 million-plus commitment to Fuentes over three years is more than the what the Mets think he's worth. "Right now we're talking with the agents," Omar Minaya told Jim Duquette on XM Radio Wednesday. "But we are getting a pretty good idea as far as what terms they're looking for. Once we get an idea of the terms they're looking for, we have a better idea what we think it's going to take to get these guys done - understanding that markets do change, and they fluctuate. "Right now we're in the early stages. My understanding is a lot of clubs are reevaluating this market, more so because of the unfortunate financial strain that is going on not only in baseball but throughout the world." Signing the 33-year-old Fuentes, who made $5 million last year, over the more expensive K-Rod ($10M in 2008) would make acquiring a higher-priced set-up man - such as Colorado's Huston Street - easier to justify. Street, shipped to the Rockies this month after compiling 94 saves over the past four seasons with Oakland, may be flipped to another organization. He made $3.3 million last season and is arbitration eligible. Street won't be eligible for free agency until after the 2010 season - the same offseason Aaron Heilman becomes a free agent. Minaya also confirmed the Mets' widely reported interest in free agent outfielder Raul Iba�ez, although the GM noted that pitching is the priority for now. Minaya acknowledged trying to acquire Iba�ez from the Mariners last July. "Last year we did talk to them during the trading deadline about him," Minaya said. "Unfortunately, we were not able to get a trade done. We've heard very good reports about him - not only as a player, but as a person. I understand the Phillies, they're one of the teams that's considering him. We are also keeping an eye on that situation, even though we're focusing right now on pitching primarily. But he is a good player." As for re-signing Oliver Perez, Minaya said: "We definitely have Oliver on our radar, but I don't know what his asking price is. Sometime during the winter meetings we will probably sit down with (Perez's agent) Scott (Boras) and kind of get a better feel for what exactly he is looking for." Edgy DC Nov 27 2008 07:53 AM Not on the radar at all, it seems: Kerry Wood. bmfc1 Nov 27 2008 08:42 AM There must be a good reason why Fuentes was removed for awhile as the Rockies closer. He's way overpriced. I'd take him as the 8th inning guy but that's it. smg58 Nov 27 2008 09:21 AM Waiting might not be a bad strategy in this market. Other than the Mets and Angels, it's not clear who has both the need for a closer and the money to spend for a high-priced one. So somebody will become available for a really good price eventually. Edgy DC Nov 27 2008 10:02 PM A FOX sports report (among others) has the Mets considering Joseph Jason (J.J.) Putz. Coming off a down, injury-bitten year, but he's got a wickit splitter and enters to "Thunderstruck." The M's take the theme-song thingie a little further than usual with him, playing a bit o' the song after each out. Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! TheOldMole Nov 28 2008 08:32 AM Every New York team should have a Putz. Rockin' Doc Nov 28 2008 10:46 AM I think the Yankees are owned by Putzes. dgwphotography Nov 28 2008 11:01 AM ="Rockin' Doc":s6sgsdk7]I think the Yankees are owned by Putzes.[/quote:s6sgsdk7] It is High! It is FAR! IT.... IS.... GONE!!!!!!!! John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 28 2008 11:06 AM I got nothing against JJ Putz personally but I'd be surprised if stories like this aren't leaked so as to make free agents scared. DocTee Nov 28 2008 01:02 PM ]Not on the radar at all, it seems: Kerry Wood. I'm disappointed by the Mets' apparent lack of interest in any other than Fuentes or K-Rod. My preference is for Wood, or Arizona's Brandon Lyon (who'd come much, much cheaper than any of the aforementioned). Nymr83 Nov 28 2008 01:15 PM I don't want Wood, that injury history is way too scary. Gwreck Nov 28 2008 01:40 PM ="Edgy DC"] The M's take the theme-song thingie a little further than usual with him, playing a bit o' the song after each out. Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! In fairness, the Mets were doing something similar, playing part of Enter Sandman after every Wagner K. Edgy DC Nov 28 2008 08:04 PM Well, to be honest, I'm about fed up to here with the concept of theme songs and I think it's time the Mets zagged no matter who they get. Frayed Knot Nov 29 2008 04:41 AM ="DocTee"] ]Not on the radar at all, it seems: Kerry Wood. I'm disappointed by the Mets' apparent lack of interest in any other than Fuentes or K-Rod. My preference is for Wood, or Arizona's Brandon Lyon (who'd come much, much cheaper than any of the aforementioned). An article in today's NYTimes suggests just the opposite. Citing the always popular "people in baseball with knowledge of their stategy" they say that the Mets are persuing any and all options to fill their spot - or spots - in the pen. Specifically they mention not only the already held discussions with agents for Rodriguez & Fuentes but also those with other teams concerning Putz, Valverde, Street, and Jenks, as well as "evaluating" the situations with Wood & Hoffman (sounds like more as a fallback). Lyons isn't mentioned although I have no idea about his availability. MFS62 Nov 29 2008 04:31 PM On ESPN2 during the BC-Maryland game the tickert just said: "Mets believe they can sign free agent P Francisco Rodriguez to a 3-year deal because there are no other takers, ESPN's Peter Gammons reports" No link. Two comments: 1) It was Gammons 2) Don't count your chickens, etc. etc. Later Benjamin Grimm Nov 29 2008 05:05 PM As of now, my hunch is that the Mets will end up signing Rodriguez to a four-year deal. Kong76 Nov 29 2008 05:31 PM I agree. Or three years at really sick money per year. Gwreck Dec 05 2008 12:10 PM Some thoughts on this today from Buster Olney's blog at ESPN: ]� The Mets' front office believes, rightly, that it is in the driver's seat in the closers market, and part of their internal discussion has been about making offers to some relievers while informing them that the first one to jump at their proposal will be signed, and the others will be out of luck. The reason why this could be such an effective strategy for the Mets is they are the only team that appears willing to spend relatively big money on a multi-year deal for a closer. For example: It is not known exactly what the Mets intend to offer to the top-flight closers, but let's say they proposed a three-year, $36 million deal to Francisco Rodriguez; a three-year, $30 million offer to Brian Fuentes; and a two-year, $18 million offer to Kerry Wood. And then they could tell all three that the first to bite gets the contract. The Cardinals, Brewers, Indians and other teams are looking for closers, but probably won't spend at the same level as the Mets. The Indians, in fact, are willing to let the market play out, and at some point, some closer will be available at a good price, whether it be one of the free agents (like Trevor Hoffman) or perhaps a trade for J.J. Putz or Huston Street. Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2008 12:24 PM What do we think of the speculation that the Mets could get Street from the Rockies for Heilman? If I'm Omar, I'd do that in a heartbeat. (I don't know if Street would be the answer for the ninth inning, but he'd be an upgrade for the eighth inning.) I just don't see the reason why the Rockies would do this, other than the idea that some teams see Heilman as a more viable starter than the Mets do. smg58 Dec 05 2008 12:58 PM Heilman won't be enough, but apparently the Rockies would bite if we threw in Feliciano. That still seems like a good offer to me, but I don't see the harm in waiting for a bit and seeing what our other options are. Edgy DC Dec 05 2008 01:20 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 05 2008 01:21 PM Can we pronounce it Howston Street? Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2008 01:20 PM ="Edgy DC"]Can we pronounce it Howston Street? If he comes to New York, I intend to do just that. Centerfield Dec 05 2008 01:31 PM ="smg58":2djctsow]Heilman won't be enough, but apparently the Rockies would bite if we threw in Feliciano. That still seems like a good offer to me, but I don't see the harm in waiting for a bit and seeing what our other options are.[/quote:2djctsow] Just let us know when the deal is done. Nymr and I are in the car waiting to drive them to Colorado. Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2008 01:33 PM I don't want to drive to Denver, but I'll chip in for gas money for you guys. Frayed Knot Dec 06 2008 06:42 AM Read something in the last day or two (I forget where at this point) that Omar may try the 'first-come/first-served' approach with the group of FA closers. IOW, put out more or less simultaneous (though not identical) offers to Rodriguez, Fuentes & Wood and inform tham all that the first one to accept gets the job while those who snooze, lose. So maybe KRod gets offered 3x$14, Fuentes 2x12, and Wood 1+option in an attempt to snag a closer on what the Mets consider reasonable terms. Now this is a similar tact he tried with FA catchers Ramon Hernandez and (Benjy Molina?) a few years back although neither bit. That, in turn, caused Omar to trade for LoDuca instead. So maybe the trade route involving the Putz/Street/Valverde crowd is on the back burner in case the FA gambit falls through. Gwreck Dec 06 2008 03:14 PM ="Frayed Knot":3fkccx50]Read something in the last day or two (I forget where at this point) that Omar may try the 'first-come/first-served' approach with the group of FA closers.[/quote:3fkccx50] About 7 posts up in this thread? (It was Buster Olney at ESPN.com). Benjamin Grimm Dec 08 2008 07:46 AM According to numerous sources, Omar met with Francisco Rodriguez yesterday, and expects to come home from the winter meetings with a deal closed for a closer. Me, I'd be surprised if he got it all done in the next few days, but he might very well lay the groundwork for an announcement some time next week. I'm still expecting it will be Rodriguez. metirish Dec 08 2008 08:00 AM It should be noted that Jeff Wilpon went with Minaya and his crew(Bernazard , Ricco etc) to the meetings , took Wilpon's jet there in fact. Benjamin Grimm Dec 08 2008 08:10 AM That's not cool. They should have driven there in a hybrid vehicle. Edgy DC Dec 08 2008 08:32 AM A golf cart with a Mets hat. G-Fafif Dec 08 2008 03:20 PM Three years reportedly[/url:10qpkdcm] on the table for K-Rod from Mets, though he's not considered likely to jump at it. attgig Dec 08 2008 04:21 PM on a totally different train.... and probably more smokescreen than anything else (a la hoffman), but how about smoltz? he's coming back from injury, yeah. he's old. yeah but, we know he can close.

[DocTee]

I prevor Hoffman to Fuentes. My preference is Kerry Wood.

[Frayed Knot]

Hoffman's numbers this season weren't as bad as I thought.
Only 45 innings worth (missed some time due to injury) but a real good WHiP and his K/BB and H/IP ratios suggest he deserved a better ERA than the 3.7 he put up.
On the other hand he just turned 41, had a real good pitchers park to call home, and a fastball/changeup pitcher with a diminshing fastball kinda scares you.



And then there's some interesting stuff in Joel Sherman's NYPost column today - enough to suggest that they're not just going to throw money at the problem and hope for the best.

There is growing belief in the industry, in fact, that Rodriguez will have to retreat from his five-year, $75 million demands and accept four years. Yet, the Mets still might prefer Fuentes.

K-Rod did set the season record with 62 saves in 2008. But one Mets official had this insight: "When it comes to statistics, we are not basing this decision on save totals; at least not save totals alone." The Mets will honor, among other items, strikeout-to-walk ratio and on-base percentage against.

And I came across this stat just out of curiosity: Rodriguez registered 1-2-3 frames in a career-low 29.2 percent of his innings (all figures courtesy of Elias). That ranked 151st out of 253 pitchers who worked at least 60 innings in 2008. Fuentes (41.3) was 13th, Wood (38.1) was 28th, Street (38.0), even with diminished stuff, was 29th, and another free agent, Brandon Lyon (37.7) was 31st.

Rodriguez's stuff is not as electric as in the past, possibly because his high-effort delivery has robbed some life from his arm, though he is just 26. The Mets could wonder if the lack of clean 1-2-3 innings will continue to grow with age now, and if Rodriguez loses more stuff, will he be able to extract himself from difficulty with the same excellence?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I don;t want K-Rod because expectations that will come along with him will be nearly impossible to meet. A guy like Fuentes could exceed expectations and doesn't have such a brand name that he could be shuffled to a setup role without the world coming to an end.

[Frayed Knot]

On the trade front, the scribes have a bit of disagreement on the status of ChiSox closer Bobby Jenks.

The Post's Sherman declares it a virtually still-born idea citing too high an asking price (Fartinez + ?) combined with questions about decreasing K-rates and whether the Sox are making him available in the first place because they know something about him that other teams will only find out the hard way.
Newsday's Davidoff, on the other hand, suggests a trade is in some ways preferable to the FA route and includes insider-ish quotes on how those plummeting K-rates are really signs of Jenks becoming a more complete pitcher.


I do know Jenks had a real ass-hat rep early in his career. He came out of some trailer-park/white-trash kind of background complete with the requisite drinking problem which was at least part of what led to his release from the Angels org while still a minor-leaguer despite his ability to hit triple-digits on the radar gun. He of course then went on to anchor the Sox pen in their '05 run to the WS and I haven't heard about any problems since so maybe all that nonsense is behind him.

[Benjamin Grimm]

]Mets expected to make offers soon BY DAVID LENNON November 17, 2008 The Mets' true offseason strategy will reveal itself this week when general manager Omar Minaya finally extends offers to his top free-agent targets. A person familiar with the situation did not specify which day Minaya will deliver the numbers to Francisco Rodriguez or Brian Fuentes. He also could make an offer to starting pitchers such as Derek Lowe. That represents a significant step, considering that the Mets have talked about a number of different options - including a trade for the White Sox's Bobby Jenks - in order to fill their vacant closer slot. But now that Minaya is ready to talk years and dollars, it appears that his preference is to see where the free-agent market goes first. The Mets' plan will be much different from what the Yankees did Friday in making an offer to CC Sabathia that is said to be for six years and about $140 million. Expect Minaya to start small and work his way up the ladder in a negotiating process that should extend into the winter meetings, which begin Dec. 8 in Las Vegas. Ideally, Minaya would prefer no longer than a three-year deal for K-Rod or Fuentes, and it's realistic to think that the first to agree to that length could become the Mets' closer. Rodriguez's agent, Paul Kinzer, hinted at a five-year contract for his client, but four is more likely and three is a possibility, depending on the market. The Mets already have suggested that K-Rod, despite the best resume among the candidates, is not a slam-dunk to anchor their bullpen. But it's difficult to determine if their reservations about Rodriguez - floated publicly as concerns - are legit or merely a negotiating ploy to get him at their price. The money, it seems, is not nearly as important to the Mets as the number of years. They learned their lesson with Billy Wagner, who will collect $10.5 million on the DL next year - the final season of his four-year, $43-million contract - because of Tommy John surgery.

[Guest Number 6]

="Frayed Knot":1grv257o]He came out of some trailer-park/white-trash kind of background complete with the requisite drinking problem...[/quote:1grv257o] I don't know you, but I've read your posts and I generally respect your point of view. Here, though, I think you may want an opportunity to choose your words more carefully.

MFS62 Nov 19 2008 08:42 AM

I think that there will be help for the bullpen that is already on the roster. Duaner Sanchez. He had the kind of surgery that had never been attempted before for a pitcher. It was not TJ surgery. Doctors didn't know if he would ever pitch again. He did, and at times showed some of his prior effectiveness. Then, it appeared he experienced arm fatigue and his performance level decreased. Now, with a full winter to rest, I think he can again be a valuable contributor to the bullpen Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 19 2008 08:45 AM

I'd say there's a better chance Duaner Sanchez is finished than becomes a closer.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 19 2008 09:03 AM

He may still have something to contribute, but I certainly wouldn't want to position the Mets to where they're counting on him for 2009. Figure anything he provides is a bonus, but don't expect much.

seawolf17 Nov 20 2008 11:18 AM

From Jayson Stark: ]The Marlins traded Kevin Gregg but will plug in the up-and-coming Matt Lindstrom ... The Padres pushed Hoffman out their door, and they probably will stay in-house and go with Heath Bell. (sigh)

smg58 Nov 20 2008 06:36 PM

Bill James does all sorts of weird statistical analyses on his website, but this one jumped out at me. Duaner Sanchez in 2006: 44 shutout innings in 55.1 IP Duaner Sanchez in 2008: 46 shutout innings in 58.1 IP He clearly had an issue with blowup innings this year, but he had good outings at the same rate that he had them in 06. That gives me some reason for optimism with him. Not enough that I'd want him to close, but certainly enough to tender him a contract. I also think he's likely to be worth more than anything we could get in return.

Nymr83 Nov 20 2008 06:56 PM

I'd like to see Sanchez back in a middle relief role, he could regain his form now that he is further removed from his injury, and its not like he was TERRIBLE last year, just slightly below average.

Edgy DC Nov 20 2008 07:44 PM

But he wasn't overpowering anybody. I got the notion that any success he had was just the ball bouncing well for him. That's mostly my impression. His strikeout rate was pretty similar, and velocity can return in year two after surgery, but it's not like his surgery has a lot of precedent either.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 20 2008 07:46 PM

="smg58":3f37zrot] He clearly had an issue with blowup innings this year, but he had good outings at the same rate that he had them in 06. That gives me some reason for optimism with him. Not enough that I'd want him to close, but certainly enough to tender him a contract. I also think he's likely to be worth more than anything we could get in return.[/quote:3f37zrot] And get nothing for Tim Hamulack? I'm willing to be proven wrong here but I'd be very surprised if Sanchez is ever more than a fringe major leaguer from this point. He showed seriously diminished velocity from about June on and when the Mets needed someone to step up and give them some quality and durability late last year he was nowhere to be found. Benjamin Grimm Nov 27 2008 07:38 AM ="Adam Rubin"]Brian Fuentes' price Rocks Omar Minaya By ADAM RUBIN DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Thursday, November 27th 2008, 12:45 AM Brian Fuentes' agent tells Mets he's looking for three-year deal, in the $30 million-$33 million range. Brian Fuentes' representatives told the Mets the free agent closer is seeking a three-year deal worth $10 million to $11 million annually, according to a source familiar with the discussion. That price tag is a bit high for the Mets, but they are still interested in the former Rockie. GM Omar Minaya contacted the agents for Francisco Rodriguez and Fuentes on Tuesday, trying to lay the groundwork for in-person meetings. The Mets appear to be moving on parallel tracks with both free agents, content to sign either if the price is right. But a $30 million-plus commitment to Fuentes over three years is more than the what the Mets think he's worth. "Right now we're talking with the agents," Omar Minaya told Jim Duquette on XM Radio Wednesday. "But we are getting a pretty good idea as far as what terms they're looking for. Once we get an idea of the terms they're looking for, we have a better idea what we think it's going to take to get these guys done - understanding that markets do change, and they fluctuate. "Right now we're in the early stages. My understanding is a lot of clubs are reevaluating this market, more so because of the unfortunate financial strain that is going on not only in baseball but throughout the world." Signing the 33-year-old Fuentes, who made $5 million last year, over the more expensive K-Rod ($10M in 2008) would make acquiring a higher-priced set-up man - such as Colorado's Huston Street - easier to justify. Street, shipped to the Rockies this month after compiling 94 saves over the past four seasons with Oakland, may be flipped to another organization. He made $3.3 million last season and is arbitration eligible. Street won't be eligible for free agency until after the 2010 season - the same offseason Aaron Heilman becomes a free agent. Minaya also confirmed the Mets' widely reported interest in free agent outfielder Raul Iba�ez, although the GM noted that pitching is the priority for now. Minaya acknowledged trying to acquire Iba�ez from the Mariners last July. "Last year we did talk to them during the trading deadline about him," Minaya said. "Unfortunately, we were not able to get a trade done. We've heard very good reports about him - not only as a player, but as a person. I understand the Phillies, they're one of the teams that's considering him. We are also keeping an eye on that situation, even though we're focusing right now on pitching primarily. But he is a good player." As for re-signing Oliver Perez, Minaya said: "We definitely have Oliver on our radar, but I don't know what his asking price is. Sometime during the winter meetings we will probably sit down with (Perez's agent) Scott (Boras) and kind of get a better feel for what exactly he is looking for." Edgy DC Nov 27 2008 07:53 AM Not on the radar at all, it seems: Kerry Wood. bmfc1 Nov 27 2008 08:42 AM There must be a good reason why Fuentes was removed for awhile as the Rockies closer. He's way overpriced. I'd take him as the 8th inning guy but that's it. smg58 Nov 27 2008 09:21 AM Waiting might not be a bad strategy in this market. Other than the Mets and Angels, it's not clear who has both the need for a closer and the money to spend for a high-priced one. So somebody will become available for a really good price eventually. Edgy DC Nov 27 2008 10:02 PM A FOX sports report (among others) has the Mets considering Joseph Jason (J.J.) Putz. Coming off a down, injury-bitten year, but he's got a wickit splitter and enters to "Thunderstruck." The M's take the theme-song thingie a little further than usual with him, playing a bit o' the song after each out. Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! TheOldMole Nov 28 2008 08:32 AM Every New York team should have a Putz. Rockin' Doc Nov 28 2008 10:46 AM I think the Yankees are owned by Putzes. dgwphotography Nov 28 2008 11:01 AM ="Rockin' Doc":s6sgsdk7]I think the Yankees are owned by Putzes.[/quote:s6sgsdk7] It is High! It is FAR! IT.... IS.... GONE!!!!!!!! John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 28 2008 11:06 AM I got nothing against JJ Putz personally but I'd be surprised if stories like this aren't leaked so as to make free agents scared. DocTee Nov 28 2008 01:02 PM ]Not on the radar at all, it seems: Kerry Wood. I'm disappointed by the Mets' apparent lack of interest in any other than Fuentes or K-Rod. My preference is for Wood, or Arizona's Brandon Lyon (who'd come much, much cheaper than any of the aforementioned). Nymr83 Nov 28 2008 01:15 PM I don't want Wood, that injury history is way too scary. Gwreck Nov 28 2008 01:40 PM ="Edgy DC"] The M's take the theme-song thingie a little further than usual with him, playing a bit o' the song after each out. Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! In fairness, the Mets were doing something similar, playing part of Enter Sandman after every Wagner K. Edgy DC Nov 28 2008 08:04 PM Well, to be honest, I'm about fed up to here with the concept of theme songs and I think it's time the Mets zagged no matter who they get. Frayed Knot Nov 29 2008 04:41 AM ="DocTee"] ]Not on the radar at all, it seems: Kerry Wood. I'm disappointed by the Mets' apparent lack of interest in any other than Fuentes or K-Rod. My preference is for Wood, or Arizona's Brandon Lyon (who'd come much, much cheaper than any of the aforementioned). An article in today's NYTimes suggests just the opposite. Citing the always popular "people in baseball with knowledge of their stategy" they say that the Mets are persuing any and all options to fill their spot - or spots - in the pen. Specifically they mention not only the already held discussions with agents for Rodriguez & Fuentes but also those with other teams concerning Putz, Valverde, Street, and Jenks, as well as "evaluating" the situations with Wood & Hoffman (sounds like more as a fallback). Lyons isn't mentioned although I have no idea about his availability. MFS62 Nov 29 2008 04:31 PM On ESPN2 during the BC-Maryland game the tickert just said: "Mets believe they can sign free agent P Francisco Rodriguez to a 3-year deal because there are no other takers, ESPN's Peter Gammons reports" No link. Two comments: 1) It was Gammons 2) Don't count your chickens, etc. etc. Later Benjamin Grimm Nov 29 2008 05:05 PM As of now, my hunch is that the Mets will end up signing Rodriguez to a four-year deal. Kong76 Nov 29 2008 05:31 PM I agree. Or three years at really sick money per year. Gwreck Dec 05 2008 12:10 PM Some thoughts on this today from Buster Olney's blog at ESPN: ]� The Mets' front office believes, rightly, that it is in the driver's seat in the closers market, and part of their internal discussion has been about making offers to some relievers while informing them that the first one to jump at their proposal will be signed, and the others will be out of luck. The reason why this could be such an effective strategy for the Mets is they are the only team that appears willing to spend relatively big money on a multi-year deal for a closer. For example: It is not known exactly what the Mets intend to offer to the top-flight closers, but let's say they proposed a three-year, $36 million deal to Francisco Rodriguez; a three-year, $30 million offer to Brian Fuentes; and a two-year, $18 million offer to Kerry Wood. And then they could tell all three that the first to bite gets the contract. The Cardinals, Brewers, Indians and other teams are looking for closers, but probably won't spend at the same level as the Mets. The Indians, in fact, are willing to let the market play out, and at some point, some closer will be available at a good price, whether it be one of the free agents (like Trevor Hoffman) or perhaps a trade for J.J. Putz or Huston Street. Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2008 12:24 PM What do we think of the speculation that the Mets could get Street from the Rockies for Heilman? If I'm Omar, I'd do that in a heartbeat. (I don't know if Street would be the answer for the ninth inning, but he'd be an upgrade for the eighth inning.) I just don't see the reason why the Rockies would do this, other than the idea that some teams see Heilman as a more viable starter than the Mets do. smg58 Dec 05 2008 12:58 PM Heilman won't be enough, but apparently the Rockies would bite if we threw in Feliciano. That still seems like a good offer to me, but I don't see the harm in waiting for a bit and seeing what our other options are. Edgy DC Dec 05 2008 01:20 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 05 2008 01:21 PM Can we pronounce it Howston Street? Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2008 01:20 PM ="Edgy DC"]Can we pronounce it Howston Street? If he comes to New York, I intend to do just that. Centerfield Dec 05 2008 01:31 PM ="smg58":2djctsow]Heilman won't be enough, but apparently the Rockies would bite if we threw in Feliciano. That still seems like a good offer to me, but I don't see the harm in waiting for a bit and seeing what our other options are.[/quote:2djctsow] Just let us know when the deal is done. Nymr and I are in the car waiting to drive them to Colorado. Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2008 01:33 PM I don't want to drive to Denver, but I'll chip in for gas money for you guys. Frayed Knot Dec 06 2008 06:42 AM Read something in the last day or two (I forget where at this point) that Omar may try the 'first-come/first-served' approach with the group of FA closers. IOW, put out more or less simultaneous (though not identical) offers to Rodriguez, Fuentes & Wood and inform tham all that the first one to accept gets the job while those who snooze, lose. So maybe KRod gets offered 3x$14, Fuentes 2x12, and Wood 1+option in an attempt to snag a closer on what the Mets consider reasonable terms. Now this is a similar tact he tried with FA catchers Ramon Hernandez and (Benjy Molina?) a few years back although neither bit. That, in turn, caused Omar to trade for LoDuca instead. So maybe the trade route involving the Putz/Street/Valverde crowd is on the back burner in case the FA gambit falls through. Gwreck Dec 06 2008 03:14 PM ="Frayed Knot":3fkccx50]Read something in the last day or two (I forget where at this point) that Omar may try the 'first-come/first-served' approach with the group of FA closers.[/quote:3fkccx50] About 7 posts up in this thread? (It was Buster Olney at ESPN.com). Benjamin Grimm Dec 08 2008 07:46 AM According to numerous sources, Omar met with Francisco Rodriguez yesterday, and expects to come home from the winter meetings with a deal closed for a closer. Me, I'd be surprised if he got it all done in the next few days, but he might very well lay the groundwork for an announcement some time next week. I'm still expecting it will be Rodriguez. metirish Dec 08 2008 08:00 AM It should be noted that Jeff Wilpon went with Minaya and his crew(Bernazard , Ricco etc) to the meetings , took Wilpon's jet there in fact. Benjamin Grimm Dec 08 2008 08:10 AM That's not cool. They should have driven there in a hybrid vehicle. Edgy DC Dec 08 2008 08:32 AM A golf cart with a Mets hat. G-Fafif Dec 08 2008 03:20 PM Three years reportedly[/url:10qpkdcm] on the table for K-Rod from Mets, though he's not considered likely to jump at it. attgig Dec 08 2008 04:21 PM on a totally different train.... and probably more smokescreen than anything else (a la hoffman), but how about smoltz? he's coming back from injury, yeah. he's old. yeah but, we know he can close.

[MFS62]

I think that there will be help for the bullpen that is already on the roster.

Duaner Sanchez.

He had the kind of surgery that had never been attempted before for a pitcher. It was not TJ surgery.

Doctors didn't know if he would ever pitch again. He did, and at times showed some of his prior effectiveness. Then, it appeared he experienced arm fatigue and his performance level decreased.

Now, with a full winter to rest, I think he can again be a valuable contributor to the bullpen

Later

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I'd say there's a better chance Duaner Sanchez is finished than becomes a closer.

[Benjamin Grimm]

He may still have something to contribute, but I certainly wouldn't want to position the Mets to where they're counting on him for 2009.

Figure anything he provides is a bonus, but don't expect much.

[seawolf17]

From Jayson Stark:

]The Marlins traded Kevin Gregg but will plug in the up-and-coming Matt Lindstrom ... The Padres pushed Hoffman out their door, and they probably will stay in-house and go with Heath Bell.

(sigh)

[smg58]

Bill James does all sorts of weird statistical analyses on his website, but this one jumped out at me.

Duaner Sanchez in 2006: 44 shutout innings in 55.1 IP

Duaner Sanchez in 2008: 46 shutout innings in 58.1 IP

He clearly had an issue with blowup innings this year, but he had good outings at the same rate that he had them in 06. That gives me some reason for optimism with him. Not enough that I'd want him to close, but certainly enough to tender him a contract. I also think he's likely to be worth more than anything we could get in return.

[nymr83]

I'd like to see Sanchez back in a middle relief role, he could regain his form now that he is further removed from his injury, and its not like he was TERRIBLE last year, just slightly below average.

[Guest Edgy DC]

But he wasn't overpowering anybody. I got the notion that any success he had was just the ball bouncing well for him.

That's mostly my impression. His strikeout rate was pretty similar, and velocity can return in year two after surgery, but it's not like his surgery has a lot of precedent either.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

="smg58":3f37zrot] He clearly had an issue with blowup innings this year, but he had good outings at the same rate that he had them in 06. That gives me some reason for optimism with him. Not enough that I'd want him to close, but certainly enough to tender him a contract. I also think he's likely to be worth more than anything we could get in return.[/quote:3f37zrot] And get nothing for Tim Hamulack? I'm willing to be proven wrong here but I'd be very surprised if Sanchez is ever more than a fringe major leaguer from this point. He showed seriously diminished velocity from about June on and when the Mets needed someone to step up and give them some quality and durability late last year he was nowhere to be found.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 27 2008 07:38 AM

="Adam Rubin"]Brian Fuentes' price Rocks Omar Minaya By ADAM RUBIN DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Thursday, November 27th 2008, 12:45 AM Brian Fuentes' agent tells Mets he's looking for three-year deal, in the $30 million-$33 million range. Brian Fuentes' representatives told the Mets the free agent closer is seeking a three-year deal worth $10 million to $11 million annually, according to a source familiar with the discussion. That price tag is a bit high for the Mets, but they are still interested in the former Rockie. GM Omar Minaya contacted the agents for Francisco Rodriguez and Fuentes on Tuesday, trying to lay the groundwork for in-person meetings. The Mets appear to be moving on parallel tracks with both free agents, content to sign either if the price is right. But a $30 million-plus commitment to Fuentes over three years is more than the what the Mets think he's worth. "Right now we're talking with the agents," Omar Minaya told Jim Duquette on XM Radio Wednesday. "But we are getting a pretty good idea as far as what terms they're looking for. Once we get an idea of the terms they're looking for, we have a better idea what we think it's going to take to get these guys done - understanding that markets do change, and they fluctuate. "Right now we're in the early stages. My understanding is a lot of clubs are reevaluating this market, more so because of the unfortunate financial strain that is going on not only in baseball but throughout the world." Signing the 33-year-old Fuentes, who made $5 million last year, over the more expensive K-Rod ($10M in 2008) would make acquiring a higher-priced set-up man - such as Colorado's Huston Street - easier to justify. Street, shipped to the Rockies this month after compiling 94 saves over the past four seasons with Oakland, may be flipped to another organization. He made $3.3 million last season and is arbitration eligible. Street won't be eligible for free agency until after the 2010 season - the same offseason Aaron Heilman becomes a free agent. Minaya also confirmed the Mets' widely reported interest in free agent outfielder Raul Iba�ez, although the GM noted that pitching is the priority for now. Minaya acknowledged trying to acquire Iba�ez from the Mariners last July. "Last year we did talk to them during the trading deadline about him," Minaya said. "Unfortunately, we were not able to get a trade done. We've heard very good reports about him - not only as a player, but as a person. I understand the Phillies, they're one of the teams that's considering him. We are also keeping an eye on that situation, even though we're focusing right now on pitching primarily. But he is a good player." As for re-signing Oliver Perez, Minaya said: "We definitely have Oliver on our radar, but I don't know what his asking price is. Sometime during the winter meetings we will probably sit down with (Perez's agent) Scott (Boras) and kind of get a better feel for what exactly he is looking for."

Edgy DC Nov 27 2008 07:53 AM

Not on the radar at all, it seems: Kerry Wood.

bmfc1 Nov 27 2008 08:42 AM

There must be a good reason why Fuentes was removed for awhile as the Rockies closer. He's way overpriced. I'd take him as the 8th inning guy but that's it.

smg58 Nov 27 2008 09:21 AM

Waiting might not be a bad strategy in this market. Other than the Mets and Angels, it's not clear who has both the need for a closer and the money to spend for a high-priced one. So somebody will become available for a really good price eventually.

Edgy DC Nov 27 2008 10:02 PM

A FOX sports report (among others) has the Mets considering Joseph Jason (J.J.) Putz. Coming off a down, injury-bitten year, but he's got a wickit splitter and enters to "Thunderstruck." The M's take the theme-song thingie a little further than usual with him, playing a bit o' the song after each out. Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah!

TheOldMole Nov 28 2008 08:32 AM

Every New York team should have a Putz.

Rockin' Doc Nov 28 2008 10:46 AM

I think the Yankees are owned by Putzes.

dgwphotography Nov 28 2008 11:01 AM

="Rockin' Doc":s6sgsdk7]I think the Yankees are owned by Putzes.[/quote:s6sgsdk7] It is High! It is FAR! IT.... IS.... GONE!!!!!!!! John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 28 2008 11:06 AM I got nothing against JJ Putz personally but I'd be surprised if stories like this aren't leaked so as to make free agents scared. DocTee Nov 28 2008 01:02 PM ]Not on the radar at all, it seems: Kerry Wood. I'm disappointed by the Mets' apparent lack of interest in any other than Fuentes or K-Rod. My preference is for Wood, or Arizona's Brandon Lyon (who'd come much, much cheaper than any of the aforementioned). Nymr83 Nov 28 2008 01:15 PM I don't want Wood, that injury history is way too scary. Gwreck Nov 28 2008 01:40 PM ="Edgy DC"] The M's take the theme-song thingie a little further than usual with him, playing a bit o' the song after each out. Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! In fairness, the Mets were doing something similar, playing part of Enter Sandman after every Wagner K. Edgy DC Nov 28 2008 08:04 PM Well, to be honest, I'm about fed up to here with the concept of theme songs and I think it's time the Mets zagged no matter who they get. Frayed Knot Nov 29 2008 04:41 AM ="DocTee"] ]Not on the radar at all, it seems: Kerry Wood. I'm disappointed by the Mets' apparent lack of interest in any other than Fuentes or K-Rod. My preference is for Wood, or Arizona's Brandon Lyon (who'd come much, much cheaper than any of the aforementioned). An article in today's NYTimes suggests just the opposite. Citing the always popular "people in baseball with knowledge of their stategy" they say that the Mets are persuing any and all options to fill their spot - or spots - in the pen. Specifically they mention not only the already held discussions with agents for Rodriguez & Fuentes but also those with other teams concerning Putz, Valverde, Street, and Jenks, as well as "evaluating" the situations with Wood & Hoffman (sounds like more as a fallback). Lyons isn't mentioned although I have no idea about his availability. MFS62 Nov 29 2008 04:31 PM On ESPN2 during the BC-Maryland game the tickert just said: "Mets believe they can sign free agent P Francisco Rodriguez to a 3-year deal because there are no other takers, ESPN's Peter Gammons reports" No link. Two comments: 1) It was Gammons 2) Don't count your chickens, etc. etc. Later Benjamin Grimm Nov 29 2008 05:05 PM As of now, my hunch is that the Mets will end up signing Rodriguez to a four-year deal. Kong76 Nov 29 2008 05:31 PM I agree. Or three years at really sick money per year. Gwreck Dec 05 2008 12:10 PM Some thoughts on this today from Buster Olney's blog at ESPN: ]� The Mets' front office believes, rightly, that it is in the driver's seat in the closers market, and part of their internal discussion has been about making offers to some relievers while informing them that the first one to jump at their proposal will be signed, and the others will be out of luck. The reason why this could be such an effective strategy for the Mets is they are the only team that appears willing to spend relatively big money on a multi-year deal for a closer. For example: It is not known exactly what the Mets intend to offer to the top-flight closers, but let's say they proposed a three-year, $36 million deal to Francisco Rodriguez; a three-year, $30 million offer to Brian Fuentes; and a two-year, $18 million offer to Kerry Wood. And then they could tell all three that the first to bite gets the contract. The Cardinals, Brewers, Indians and other teams are looking for closers, but probably won't spend at the same level as the Mets. The Indians, in fact, are willing to let the market play out, and at some point, some closer will be available at a good price, whether it be one of the free agents (like Trevor Hoffman) or perhaps a trade for J.J. Putz or Huston Street. Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2008 12:24 PM What do we think of the speculation that the Mets could get Street from the Rockies for Heilman? If I'm Omar, I'd do that in a heartbeat. (I don't know if Street would be the answer for the ninth inning, but he'd be an upgrade for the eighth inning.) I just don't see the reason why the Rockies would do this, other than the idea that some teams see Heilman as a more viable starter than the Mets do. smg58 Dec 05 2008 12:58 PM Heilman won't be enough, but apparently the Rockies would bite if we threw in Feliciano. That still seems like a good offer to me, but I don't see the harm in waiting for a bit and seeing what our other options are. Edgy DC Dec 05 2008 01:20 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 05 2008 01:21 PM Can we pronounce it Howston Street? Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2008 01:20 PM ="Edgy DC"]Can we pronounce it Howston Street? If he comes to New York, I intend to do just that. Centerfield Dec 05 2008 01:31 PM ="smg58":2djctsow]Heilman won't be enough, but apparently the Rockies would bite if we threw in Feliciano. That still seems like a good offer to me, but I don't see the harm in waiting for a bit and seeing what our other options are.[/quote:2djctsow] Just let us know when the deal is done. Nymr and I are in the car waiting to drive them to Colorado. Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2008 01:33 PM I don't want to drive to Denver, but I'll chip in for gas money for you guys. Frayed Knot Dec 06 2008 06:42 AM Read something in the last day or two (I forget where at this point) that Omar may try the 'first-come/first-served' approach with the group of FA closers. IOW, put out more or less simultaneous (though not identical) offers to Rodriguez, Fuentes & Wood and inform tham all that the first one to accept gets the job while those who snooze, lose. So maybe KRod gets offered 3x$14, Fuentes 2x12, and Wood 1+option in an attempt to snag a closer on what the Mets consider reasonable terms. Now this is a similar tact he tried with FA catchers Ramon Hernandez and (Benjy Molina?) a few years back although neither bit. That, in turn, caused Omar to trade for LoDuca instead. So maybe the trade route involving the Putz/Street/Valverde crowd is on the back burner in case the FA gambit falls through. Gwreck Dec 06 2008 03:14 PM ="Frayed Knot":3fkccx50]Read something in the last day or two (I forget where at this point) that Omar may try the 'first-come/first-served' approach with the group of FA closers.[/quote:3fkccx50] About 7 posts up in this thread? (It was Buster Olney at ESPN.com). Benjamin Grimm Dec 08 2008 07:46 AM According to numerous sources, Omar met with Francisco Rodriguez yesterday, and expects to come home from the winter meetings with a deal closed for a closer. Me, I'd be surprised if he got it all done in the next few days, but he might very well lay the groundwork for an announcement some time next week. I'm still expecting it will be Rodriguez. metirish Dec 08 2008 08:00 AM It should be noted that Jeff Wilpon went with Minaya and his crew(Bernazard , Ricco etc) to the meetings , took Wilpon's jet there in fact. Benjamin Grimm Dec 08 2008 08:10 AM That's not cool. They should have driven there in a hybrid vehicle. Edgy DC Dec 08 2008 08:32 AM A golf cart with a Mets hat. G-Fafif Dec 08 2008 03:20 PM Three years reportedly[/url:10qpkdcm] on the table for K-Rod from Mets, though he's not considered likely to jump at it. attgig Dec 08 2008 04:21 PM on a totally different train.... and probably more smokescreen than anything else (a la hoffman), but how about smoltz? he's coming back from injury, yeah. he's old. yeah but, we know he can close.

[Benjamin Grimm]

="Adam Rubin"]Brian Fuentes' price Rocks Omar Minaya By ADAM RUBIN DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Thursday, November 27th 2008, 12:45 AM Brian Fuentes' agent tells Mets he's looking for three-year deal, in the $30 million-$33 million range. Brian Fuentes' representatives told the Mets the free agent closer is seeking a three-year deal worth $10 million to $11 million annually, according to a source familiar with the discussion. That price tag is a bit high for the Mets, but they are still interested in the former Rockie. GM Omar Minaya contacted the agents for Francisco Rodriguez and Fuentes on Tuesday, trying to lay the groundwork for in-person meetings. The Mets appear to be moving on parallel tracks with both free agents, content to sign either if the price is right. But a $30 million-plus commitment to Fuentes over three years is more than the what the Mets think he's worth. "Right now we're talking with the agents," Omar Minaya told Jim Duquette on XM Radio Wednesday. "But we are getting a pretty good idea as far as what terms they're looking for. Once we get an idea of the terms they're looking for, we have a better idea what we think it's going to take to get these guys done - understanding that markets do change, and they fluctuate. "Right now we're in the early stages. My understanding is a lot of clubs are reevaluating this market, more so because of the unfortunate financial strain that is going on not only in baseball but throughout the world." Signing the 33-year-old Fuentes, who made $5 million last year, over the more expensive K-Rod ($10M in 2008) would make acquiring a higher-priced set-up man - such as Colorado's Huston Street - easier to justify. Street, shipped to the Rockies this month after compiling 94 saves over the past four seasons with Oakland, may be flipped to another organization. He made $3.3 million last season and is arbitration eligible. Street won't be eligible for free agency until after the 2010 season - the same offseason Aaron Heilman becomes a free agent. Minaya also confirmed the Mets' widely reported interest in free agent outfielder Raul Iba�ez, although the GM noted that pitching is the priority for now. Minaya acknowledged trying to acquire Iba�ez from the Mariners last July. "Last year we did talk to them during the trading deadline about him," Minaya said. "Unfortunately, we were not able to get a trade done. We've heard very good reports about him - not only as a player, but as a person. I understand the Phillies, they're one of the teams that's considering him. We are also keeping an eye on that situation, even though we're focusing right now on pitching primarily. But he is a good player." As for re-signing Oliver Perez, Minaya said: "We definitely have Oliver on our radar, but I don't know what his asking price is. Sometime during the winter meetings we will probably sit down with (Perez's agent) Scott (Boras) and kind of get a better feel for what exactly he is looking for."

[Guest Edgy DC]

Not on the radar at all, it seems: Kerry Wood.

[bmfc1]

There must be a good reason why Fuentes was removed for awhile as the Rockies closer. He's way overpriced. I'd take him as the 8th inning guy but that's it.

[smg58]

Waiting might not be a bad strategy in this market. Other than the Mets and Angels, it's not clear who has both the need for a closer and the money to spend for a high-priced one. So somebody will become available for a really good price eventually.

[Guest Edgy DC]

A FOX sports report (among others) has the Mets considering Joseph Jason (J.J.) Putz. Coming off a down, injury-bitten year, but he's got a wickit splitter and enters to "Thunderstruck." The M's take the theme-song thingie a little further than usual with him, playing a bit o' the song after each out.

Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah!
Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah!

[Theoldmole]

Every New York team should have a Putz.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

I think the Yankees are owned by Putzes.

[dgwphotography]

="Rockin' Doc":s6sgsdk7]I think the Yankees are owned by Putzes.[/quote:s6sgsdk7] It is High! It is FAR! IT.... IS.... GONE!!!!!!!!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 28 2008 11:06 AM

I got nothing against JJ Putz personally but I'd be surprised if stories like this aren't leaked so as to make free agents scared.

DocTee Nov 28 2008 01:02 PM

]Not on the radar at all, it seems: Kerry Wood. I'm disappointed by the Mets' apparent lack of interest in any other than Fuentes or K-Rod. My preference is for Wood, or Arizona's Brandon Lyon (who'd come much, much cheaper than any of the aforementioned).

Nymr83 Nov 28 2008 01:15 PM

I don't want Wood, that injury history is way too scary.

Gwreck Nov 28 2008 01:40 PM

="Edgy DC"] The M's take the theme-song thingie a little further than usual with him, playing a bit o' the song after each out. Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! In fairness, the Mets were doing something similar, playing part of Enter Sandman after every Wagner K.

Edgy DC Nov 28 2008 08:04 PM

Well, to be honest, I'm about fed up to here with the concept of theme songs and I think it's time the Mets zagged no matter who they get.

Frayed Knot Nov 29 2008 04:41 AM

="DocTee"] ]Not on the radar at all, it seems: Kerry Wood. I'm disappointed by the Mets' apparent lack of interest in any other than Fuentes or K-Rod. My preference is for Wood, or Arizona's Brandon Lyon (who'd come much, much cheaper than any of the aforementioned). An article in today's NYTimes suggests just the opposite. Citing the always popular "people in baseball with knowledge of their stategy" they say that the Mets are persuing any and all options to fill their spot - or spots - in the pen. Specifically they mention not only the already held discussions with agents for Rodriguez & Fuentes but also those with other teams concerning Putz, Valverde, Street, and Jenks, as well as "evaluating" the situations with Wood & Hoffman (sounds like more as a fallback). Lyons isn't mentioned although I have no idea about his availability.

MFS62 Nov 29 2008 04:31 PM

On ESPN2 during the BC-Maryland game the tickert just said: "Mets believe they can sign free agent P Francisco Rodriguez to a 3-year deal because there are no other takers, ESPN's Peter Gammons reports" No link. Two comments: 1) It was Gammons 2) Don't count your chickens, etc. etc. Later

Benjamin Grimm Nov 29 2008 05:05 PM

As of now, my hunch is that the Mets will end up signing Rodriguez to a four-year deal.

Kong76 Nov 29 2008 05:31 PM

I agree. Or three years at really sick money per year.

Gwreck Dec 05 2008 12:10 PM

Some thoughts on this today from Buster Olney's blog at ESPN: ]� The Mets' front office believes, rightly, that it is in the driver's seat in the closers market, and part of their internal discussion has been about making offers to some relievers while informing them that the first one to jump at their proposal will be signed, and the others will be out of luck. The reason why this could be such an effective strategy for the Mets is they are the only team that appears willing to spend relatively big money on a multi-year deal for a closer. For example: It is not known exactly what the Mets intend to offer to the top-flight closers, but let's say they proposed a three-year, $36 million deal to Francisco Rodriguez; a three-year, $30 million offer to Brian Fuentes; and a two-year, $18 million offer to Kerry Wood. And then they could tell all three that the first to bite gets the contract. The Cardinals, Brewers, Indians and other teams are looking for closers, but probably won't spend at the same level as the Mets. The Indians, in fact, are willing to let the market play out, and at some point, some closer will be available at a good price, whether it be one of the free agents (like Trevor Hoffman) or perhaps a trade for J.J. Putz or Huston Street.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2008 12:24 PM

What do we think of the speculation that the Mets could get Street from the Rockies for Heilman? If I'm Omar, I'd do that in a heartbeat. (I don't know if Street would be the answer for the ninth inning, but he'd be an upgrade for the eighth inning.) I just don't see the reason why the Rockies would do this, other than the idea that some teams see Heilman as a more viable starter than the Mets do.

smg58 Dec 05 2008 12:58 PM

Heilman won't be enough, but apparently the Rockies would bite if we threw in Feliciano. That still seems like a good offer to me, but I don't see the harm in waiting for a bit and seeing what our other options are.

Edgy DC Dec 05 2008 01:20 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 05 2008 01:21 PM

Can we pronounce it Howston Street?

Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2008 01:20 PM

="Edgy DC"]Can we pronounce it Howston Street? If he comes to New York, I intend to do just that.

Centerfield Dec 05 2008 01:31 PM

="smg58":2djctsow]Heilman won't be enough, but apparently the Rockies would bite if we threw in Feliciano. That still seems like a good offer to me, but I don't see the harm in waiting for a bit and seeing what our other options are.[/quote:2djctsow] Just let us know when the deal is done. Nymr and I are in the car waiting to drive them to Colorado. Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2008 01:33 PM I don't want to drive to Denver, but I'll chip in for gas money for you guys. Frayed Knot Dec 06 2008 06:42 AM Read something in the last day or two (I forget where at this point) that Omar may try the 'first-come/first-served' approach with the group of FA closers. IOW, put out more or less simultaneous (though not identical) offers to Rodriguez, Fuentes & Wood and inform tham all that the first one to accept gets the job while those who snooze, lose. So maybe KRod gets offered 3x$14, Fuentes 2x12, and Wood 1+option in an attempt to snag a closer on what the Mets consider reasonable terms. Now this is a similar tact he tried with FA catchers Ramon Hernandez and (Benjy Molina?) a few years back although neither bit. That, in turn, caused Omar to trade for LoDuca instead. So maybe the trade route involving the Putz/Street/Valverde crowd is on the back burner in case the FA gambit falls through. Gwreck Dec 06 2008 03:14 PM ="Frayed Knot":3fkccx50]Read something in the last day or two (I forget where at this point) that Omar may try the 'first-come/first-served' approach with the group of FA closers.[/quote:3fkccx50] About 7 posts up in this thread? (It was Buster Olney at ESPN.com). Benjamin Grimm Dec 08 2008 07:46 AM According to numerous sources, Omar met with Francisco Rodriguez yesterday, and expects to come home from the winter meetings with a deal closed for a closer. Me, I'd be surprised if he got it all done in the next few days, but he might very well lay the groundwork for an announcement some time next week. I'm still expecting it will be Rodriguez. metirish Dec 08 2008 08:00 AM It should be noted that Jeff Wilpon went with Minaya and his crew(Bernazard , Ricco etc) to the meetings , took Wilpon's jet there in fact. Benjamin Grimm Dec 08 2008 08:10 AM That's not cool. They should have driven there in a hybrid vehicle. Edgy DC Dec 08 2008 08:32 AM A golf cart with a Mets hat. G-Fafif Dec 08 2008 03:20 PM Three years reportedly[/url:10qpkdcm] on the table for K-Rod from Mets, though he's not considered likely to jump at it. attgig Dec 08 2008 04:21 PM on a totally different train.... and probably more smokescreen than anything else (a la hoffman), but how about smoltz? he's coming back from injury, yeah. he's old. yeah but, we know he can close.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I got nothing against JJ Putz personally but I'd be surprised if stories like this aren't leaked so as to make free agents scared.

[DocTee]

]Not on the radar at all, it seems: Kerry Wood.

I'm disappointed by the Mets' apparent lack of interest in any other than Fuentes or K-Rod. My preference is for Wood, or Arizona's Brandon Lyon (who'd come much, much cheaper than any of the aforementioned).

[nymr83]

I don't want Wood, that injury history is way too scary.

[Gwreck]

="Edgy DC"] The M's take the theme-song thingie a little further than usual with him, playing a bit o' the song after each out. Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah!

In fairness, the Mets were doing something similar, playing part of Enter Sandman after every Wagner K.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, to be honest, I'm about fed up to here with the concept of theme songs and I think it's time the Mets zagged no matter who they get.