Laughing to the Bank (split from NYC's Weak Sisters, 2007)

[stevejrogers]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: So you're saying that, even though the 2006 Mets had a higher total attendance over 81 home dates, the 1986 team had a higher average attendance per game?

As faulty of a logic as that sounds, that is my story and I'm sticking with it!

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Okay, I'm going to do my own little barmoter going forward. You would think that if the Mets were doing 50,000 every night that all of the Upper Deck concession stands would be open. Especially on weekend afternoons/evenings. Ditto with the Yankees. I'm going to keep track of how many times they are actually open from now untill the new ballparks are open. An informal poll for sure, but if they are doing 50,000s you'd think the Upper Deck stands would be open, even if a 40,000s night is a rareity.

[metirish]

Steve can you find someone else to do the math?.....thanks.

[Frayed Knot]

Just a rule of thumb to go by:

1,000,000 in attendence ~ 12,350 per game base on 81 home admissions
so 2mil ~ 25,000 per
3mil ~ 37,000 per
4mil ~ just shy of 50K/per

So if you have a number of days with 50K or better the remainder of the days would have to really suck in order to stall out at barely 2.5mil.

Bottom line; attendence in NYC has never been better.
Steinbrenner's complaint early on was that his team [u:9418dc24c4]Could[/u:9418dc24c4] never and [u:9418dc24c4]Would[/u:9418dc24c4] never draw 3mil. They're now headed for their 3rd or 4th straight year of 4+
The Mets + Yanks last year out-drew ANY year of the Dodgers + Giants + Yanx

[metsmarathon]

average attendance at a met game this year is 46,092

average attendance at a home game this month is 51110, while in july it was 50123.

the mets haven't played a home game to fewer than 40,000 fans since monday, june 18th against the twins. only once this season did they play to were than 30,000 fans, wednesday, may 2nd, against the fish, when only 25,236 showed up.


the mets drew 50,000 TWICE in all of '86.

twice!

[stevejrogers]

Okay, but you haven't answered the question, other than shoehorning tons of luxury suites and restaurants and such (which could actually be the only reason) why then, if the Mets are getting 50s consistantly is Citi Field looking at a capacity crowd of 45,000 (plus they are going to have Wrigley style standing room according to the Mets.com website)

Is it because they just aren't getting those extra 10,000 people on a consistant enough basis to have 81 near capacity dates?

[metsmarathon]

SteveJRogers wrote: Okay, I'm going to do my own little barmoter going forward. You would think that if the Mets were doing 50,000 every night that all of the Upper Deck concession stands would be open. Especially on weekend afternoons/evenings. Ditto with the Yankees. I'm going to keep track of how many times they are actually open from now untill the new ballparks are open. An informal poll for sure, but if they are doing 50,000s you'd think the Upper Deck stands would be open, even if a 40,000s night is a rareity.

i would suggest that your study would be meaningless without something to compare it against. ok, so there's some number, as you say, of upper deck conession stands that are not opened. is that number high? low? typical? have they added more vendors to offset the closed windows?

without a baseline and some context against which to compare it, it really doesnt matter, does it?

[stevejrogers]

metsmarathon wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]Okay, I'm going to do my own little barmoter going forward. You would think that if the Mets were doing 50,000 every night that all of the Upper Deck concession stands would be open. Especially on weekend afternoons/evenings. Ditto with the Yankees. I'm going to keep track of how many times they are actually open from now untill the new ballparks are open. An informal poll for sure, but if they are doing 50,000s you'd think the Upper Deck stands would be open, even if a 40,000s night is a rareity. i would suggest that your study would be meaningless without something to compare it against. ok, so there's some number, as you say, of upper deck conession stands that are not opened. is that number high? low? typical? have they added more vendors to offset the closed windows? without a baseline and some context against which to compare it, it really doesnt matter, does it?

Okay, how about just the fact that the last sections on both the right field and left field lines are rarely filled during the spring and summer months? There is some context there.

[Frayed Knot]

"Is it because they just aren't getting those extra 10,000 people on a consistant enough basis to have 81 near capacity dates?"

But your argument all along - both by implication and by outright (*and false*) statements was that they used to draw like that all the time but are no longer doing so.


And yes I did answer this question.

[metsmarathon]

SteveJRogers wrote: Okay, but you haven't answered the question, other than shoehorning tons of luxury suites and restaurants and such (which could actually be the only reason) why then, if the Mets are getting 50s consistantly is Citi Field looking at a capacity crowd of 45,000 (plus they are going to have Wrigley style standing room according to the Mets.com website) Is it because they just aren't getting those extra 10,000 people on a consistant enough basis to have 81 near capacity dates?

because by reducing the supply of available seats, they increase the demand for those available seats to such an extent that they believe that they are able to make more money by drawing fewer people into the stadium at higher prices than they would have by drawing more people at lower cost. this demand, it is believed, should be sufficient to boost attendance during periods wherein the team may not perform in such a fashion as would be deserving of high attendance - kinda like how the garden was sold out every night until only just recently when the knicks got so bad that even the demand for those games couldn't sustain it.

the knicks were AWFUL but they still sold out the builiding far longer than you would have expected. why? because there was such demand to go see a knicks game because hte supply was so very limited compared to that demand.

and by increasing demand, you increase the attention your team gets.

the knicks weren't selling out the garden because basketball is so much stronger than baseball is in new york - they were doing it because the demand was greater as a result fo the supply being so restricted.

this is also why the nfl does so well, btw. 16 games a year, only 8 at home, until the theoretical maximum of four postseason games, and not only does going to the game become in demand, but merely watching it on television enjoys increased demand.

bottom line - basic capitalism. supply goes down, demand must go up, and with it, prices. supply goes up, demand goes down, and with it, prices.

[Willets Point]

Best. Rogers Thread. Ever!

[Guest Edgy DC]

SteveJRogers wrote: ="Edgy DC"] SteveJRogers wrote: Well, New York is one huge exception to baseball's lack of a fanbase across the country. Ditto Boston, Chicago, ect. I thought the Mets had to be careful. I meant in terms of thinking Citi Field will be the automatic cash cow that Yankee Stadium III will be.

I know what you meant, and it contradicts your New YorK is the exception to the death of baseball premise. You talk in circles on the issue of baseball economics.

SteveJRogers wrote: Shea doesn't and Citi won't have the same historic, tourist trap feel that the second YS has and the third will

A tourist trap feel is a bad thing.

[metsmarathon]

SteveJRogers wrote: ="metsmarathon"] SteveJRogers wrote: Okay, I'm going to do my own little barmoter going forward. You would think that if the Mets were doing 50,000 every night that all of the Upper Deck concession stands would be open. Especially on weekend afternoons/evenings. Ditto with the Yankees. I'm going to keep track of how many times they are actually open from now untill the new ballparks are open. An informal poll for sure, but if they are doing 50,000s you'd think the Upper Deck stands would be open, even if a 40,000s night is a rareity. i would suggest that your study would be meaningless without something to compare it against. ok, so there's some number, as you say, of upper deck conession stands that are not opened. is that number high? low? typical? have they added more vendors to offset the closed windows? without a baseline and some context against which to compare it, it really doesnt matter, does it? Okay, how about just the fact that the last sections on both the right field and left field lines are rarely filled during the spring and summer months? There is some context there.

what point are you even trying to make? that the mets know in advance whether or not they are likely to sell out the stadium? that's easy, what with the ease of purchasing tickets prior to a game. i would wager that the mets can predict to with in a thousand or less, what the game's attendance will be based solely on advance ticket sales. knowing that, why would they open concession stands when there would be no fans to use them?

if the point is that the stadium doesn't fill likeit used to, i don't think hte evidence at all supports that notion, unless they're somehow doing a better job of filling in the stands more densely than they used to - instead of spreading everybody evenly around the park, they pack in the nearest sections first. as we've seen/shown, there aren't fewer people in those stands. there's actually quite a bit more.

[Vic Sage]

>"Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

>"Germans?"

>"Shush. He's on a roll."

[Guest cleonjones11]

Angels are moving to Wally World with Marty Moose as a mascot. Now thats a tourist trap

[metirish]

Rogers gets six schaefer points.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

metirish - "Rogers gets six schaefer points."

Are those actual points? Or is that an average?

[TransMonk]

I think this is the first time in a long time I've laughed out loud 3 times in one day to 3 completely different threads.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Steve, I apologize for baiting you with the "Well, baseball is dying" statement.

[m.e.t.b.o.t.]

if only m.e.t.b.o.t. could laugh...

[stevejrogers]

Hey m.e.t.b.o.t. did you like that picture of you and some friends?