Hey Now

[MFS62]

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
(Buffalo Springfield)

Remember all those writeups that showed that Shea was a "Pitcher's park"?
Seems to me that there's been a lot of homers and total offense there this year.

Maybe its because those stats include the numbers put up by the home as well as the visiting teams, and the Mets offense hasn't been this good in a while. Or the Mets had decent pitching that held opponent offense down.
Or do you think its something else?

Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm certain any decent study of park effects accounts for the ability of the home team.

[Guest KC]

I think it's because of all the coke the players are doing in honor of the 20th an-
niversary of the 1986 team.

Koke adds life where there isn't any
So freeze, man, freeze

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

From what I remember of the studies, it says Shea plays pretty xtreme to pitchers in the cool spring weather and like a normal park, more or less, in warmer weather.

The other thing I remember reading was that Shea's edge to pitchers lies more in the fact that it "surpresses" basehits moreso than home runs, so frequent HRs shouldn't be looked at as a fluke.

[nymr83]

Shea, at least historically, supresses batting average and right-handed power, but not left-handed power which is odd for a symetrical park but i guess has to do with prevailing winds (or the huge scoreboard blocking winds from right blowing in?)

[Frayed Knot]

="MFS62"]Remember all those writeups that showed that Shea was a "Pitcher's park"? Seems to me that there's been a lot of homers and total offense there this year.

Rule 1 of stats theory: Beware of trends cited & backed by some form of the phrase "it seems to me". .
IOW, we should find out if there is any jump in Shea stats before we go searching for the cause. Beltran & Delgado's numbers are FAR worse at home this year f'rinstance.
'In God we Trust ... all others must show data'

]Maybe its because those stats include the numbers put up by the home as well as the visiting teams, and the Mets offense hasn't been this good in a while. Or the Mets had decent pitching that held opponent offense down.

As mentioned above, 'Park Effect' scores don't just count runs scored and against because that certainly would be skewed by high-powered or simply hot bats by the home team, as well as the converse of that: shitty pitching which pumps up the visiting offense. What a proper park effect study does is compare the RS/RA numbers to what those same teams are doing on the road.
ex: If Cincy's big bats and lousy pitching leads to high-scoring affairs at Gr Amer Ballpark, that alone doesn't make it a hitter's park. If those Red bats & arms are scoring and coughing up even more runs away from GAB then it indicates it's a run-suppressing stadium - despite the scores you might see in the boxscores each morning.

]Or do you think its something else?

Small sample size.

[The Big O]

I hitched a ride with my soul by the side of the road
Just as the sky turned black
I took a walk with my fame down memory lane
I never did find my way back

You know that I gotta say time's slipping away
And what will it hold for me
What am I gonna do while I'm looking at you
You're standing ignoring me

I thought that I heard someone say now
There's no time for running away now
Hey now! Hey now!

Feel no shame
'cause time's no chain
Feel no shame

The first thing I saw as I walked through the door
Was a sign on the wall that read
It said you might never know that I want you to know
What is written inside of your head

And time as it stands won't be held in my hands
Or living inside of my skin
And as it fell from the sky, I asked myself why
Can I never let anyone in?

I thought that I heard someone say now
There's no time for running away now
Hey now! Hey now!

Feel no shame
'cause time's no chain
Feel no shame

I hitched a ride with my soul by the side of the road
Just as the sky turned black
I took a walk with my fame down memory lane
I never did find my way back

You know that I gotta say time's slipping away
And what will it hold for me
What am I gonna do while I'm looking at you
You're standing ignoring me

I thought that I heard someone say now
There's no time for running away now
Hey now! Hey now!

Feel no shame
'cause time's no chain
Feel no shame

[Willets Point]

Don't dream it's over.

[Elster88]

Edgy DC wrote: I'm certain any decent study of park effects accounts for the ability of the home team.

I read somewhere that they don't. But I don't remember where.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

When I see the title of this thread, I can't help but think of Hank Kingsley.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

It makes me think of this -

]Hey now you're an All Star get your game on, go play Hey now you're a Rock Star get the show on get paid And all that glitters is gold Only shooting stars break the mold

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Yes, Scarlett, that too.

Which makes me think of this guy:

[Elster88]

Hey Nowwwww

[seawolf17]

Heeeeeeeeeey Ya... Hey Ya!

[Frayed Knot]

Elster88 wrote: ="Edgy DC"]I'm certain any decent study of park effects accounts for the ability of the home team. I read somewhere that they don't. But I don't remember where.

Properly done ones do.

If you want to study the math for the Park Effects at Basebal Reference.com knock yourself out.
Not only do this process account for who plays in the park but even goes as far to factor in that a winning home team bats only 8 times in a game instead of 9, and also the fact that the numbers get slightly skewed because the home team doesn't hit against it's own (maybe good, maybe bad) pitching staff.


Shea was rated a '99' last year.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Here's what 99 makes me think of:

[Guest Edgy DC]

This conversation clearly doesn't want to happen.

[seawolf17]

A little less conversation, a little more action please
All this aggravation ain't satisfactioning me
A little more bite and a little less bark
A little less fight and a little more spark
Close your mouth and open up your heart and baby satisfy me
Satisfy me baby

Baby close your eyes and listen to the music
Drifting through a summer breeze
It's a groovy night and I can show you how to use it
Come along with me and put your mind at ease

A little less conversation, a little more action please
All this aggravation ain't satisfactioning me
A little more bite and a little less bark
A little less fight and a little more spark
Close your mouth and open up your heart and baby satisfy me
Satisfy me baby

Come on baby I'm tired of talking
Grab your coat and let's start walking
Come on, come on
Come on, come on
Come on, come on
Don't procrastinate, don't articulate
Girl it's getting late, gettin' upset waitin' around

A little less conversation, a little more action please
All this aggravation ain't satisfactioning me
A little more bite and a little less bark
A little less fight and a little more spark
Close your mouth and open up your heart and baby satisfy me
Satisfy me baby

[stevejrogers]

="ScarletKnight41"]It makes me think of this - ]Hey now you're an All Star get your game on, go play Hey now you're a Rock Star get the show on get paid And all that glitters is gold Only shooting stars break the mold

La Diva and Impulse2, or maybe if this was 1996 not 2006 would probably know:

]There is freedom within, there is freedom without Try to catch the deluge in a paper cup Theres a battle ahead, many battles are lost But youll never see the end of the road While youre travelling with me Hey now, hey now Dont dream its over Hey now, hey now When the world comes in They come, they come To build a wall between us We know they wont win Now Im towing my car, theres a hole in the roof My possessions are causing me suspicion but theres no proof In the paper today tales of war and of waste But you turn right over to the t.v. page Hey now, hey now Dont dream its over Hey now, hey now When the world comes in They come, they come To build a wall between us We know they wont win Now Im walking again to the beat of a drum And Im counting the steps to the door of your heart Only shadows ahead barely clearing the roof Get to know the feeling of liberation and relief Hey now, hey now Dont dream its over Hey now, hey now When the world comes in They come, they come To build a wall between us Dont ever let them win

"Don't Dream It's Over" by Crowded House. I want to say early 1990's or late 1980's. Featured on the early years of Beverly Hills 90210 during the first Dylan-Brenda breakup episodes

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

La Diva/Impulse 2 is much more into Broadway music than the popular scene. But I know "Don't Dream It's Over."

[stevejrogers]

ScarletKnight41 wrote: La Diva/Impulse 2 is much more into Broadway music than the popular scene. But I know "Don't Dream It's Over."

It was on a TV show, not sure how it affected their exposure in mainstream pop. I mean sometimes it helps, other times they are stuck as "That band you don't know with that song that you do know" Plus this is more than 10 years ago as well!

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

She's more into Comedy Central than network television fare.

She's much older than I am at times.

[stevejrogers]

ScarletKnight41 wrote: She's more into Comedy Central than network television fare. She's much older than I am at times.

I don't blame her

Show was essentially a precursor of Gillmore Girls/OC/Dawson's Creek. Tons of HS/College rich white teen agnst, created by the now late Aaron Spelling, and it starred his no-talent daughter Tori

Had a few moments and only because it was on FOX did it enjoy its early popularity (FOX was more successfull in being a new entity than WB/UPN have been)

Not even sure why the heck I watched it, (well girls on the show were nice eye candy) it was a good time waster for mid-afternoon college TV watching/background entertainment

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

I remember 90210. And Melrose place. They were trashy, but fun.

My daughter wouldn't know either of those shows, though.

[metsmarathon]

mets OPS home / away 0.768 / 0.822
mets OPSA home / away 0.699 / 0.708