The White Sox' season/streak deserves its own thread

[Cowtipper]

I hope the White Sox lose.



I'm tuning in now to witness history.

[Edgy MD]

Andrew Vaughn reaches with two out! Tying run at the plate is Gavin Sheets.

[Edgy MD]

And that's 120.

[Centerfield]

Six games left. 3-3 to finish under 40 wins.

[Benjamin Grimm]

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[Centerfield]

Records aside, there are so many reasons the 2024 White Sox are a far worse team than the 1962 Mets. The White Sox are obviously not an expansion team. They have no excuse for a barren farm system and no talent on the major league level. They play in the third largest market in the US. According to Forbes, they had the 6th highest revenue in MLB last year (not surprisingly, behind the 4 NY/LA teams and the Cubs). Spotrac says they had the 18th highest payroll, and though a Chicago team with the 6th highest revenue should be much higher, there's no reason an 18th ranked payroll should result in a historically bad team.



And now the buzz is that the White Sox are looking to cut payroll in 2025 and will likely trade Garret Crochet, the one good thing going for them. But none of this should be surprising if you're familiar with Jerry Reinsdorf. He somehow managed to make Jerry Krause the villain in dismantling the Bulls Dynasty, when in fact he was the one who wanted to cut payroll. He was one of the owners vocal about opposing Steve Cohen. And somehow has gotten a relatively free pass for his part in this 2024 debacle.

[Edgy MD]

Reinsdorf is a very weird figure, who often seemed to be professional enemies and personal friends with the same people, which I guess isn't so crazy in an industry run as a cartel. I guess he's 85 now so he gets something of a pass. (OE: He's 88.)

[Fman99]

Edgy MD wrote: I guess he's 85 now so he gets something of a pass. (OE: He's 88.)

Ah, so he and his team both have something in common, that being that they've shat their own pants all year.

[Gwreck]

Edgy MD wrote: I guess he's 85 now so he gets something of a pass. (OE: He's 88.)

I don't think his age earns him a pass. Sell the team if you aren't going to compete.

[Edgy MD]

Hey, he's not getting any pass from me.



I'm on record a having advocated for his team's relegation!

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Reinsdorf was Fred's biggest buddy (and Doubleday's worst enemy if I remember right)

[Edgy MD]

He was also a Steinbrenner bud, even though they publicly poked each other. He additionally led the coup to oust Faye Vincent (probably on behalf of Steinbrenner), and even Vincent didn't have bad things to say about the guy.



A weird, almost insidious figure.

[Frayed Knot]

I remember Reisndorf as a hardliner against the players in the mid-90s labor strife, only to then turn around and sign Albert Belle to a FA

contract in the winter of '96-'97 in what I remember as the first $10mil/yr deal, a significant jump from whatever the ceiling had been to

that point.

Do as I say, not as I do.



More recently the ChiSox, along with the Padres, tried to use FA signings to jump to the top all at once. Both franchises failed via that route.

They then pivoted to trading for other teams' top prospects such as Yoan Moncada (BOS) and Eloy Jiminez (CHC). That worked briefly as they

actually won 93 games in 2021 before losing the the Astros in a playoff series. But neither 'future star' worked out in the long term. Moncada

has since moved on. Jiminez is still there but was only occasionally good, always seems to be injured, and is rarely playing now. Plus those

deals cost them Jose Quintana, Chris Sale, and Michael Kopech so safe to say that they just haven't made a lot of good decisions lately.

[Frayed Knot]

Don't look now, but the ChiSox have won three straight (swept the Angels) and therefore are still 'stuck' on 120 wins (39 - 120).



They head to red-hot Detroit* for the final weekend. The Tigers won earlier today and, by my reading anyway, have clinched at least a tie for a WC spot

(especially with the Twins currently getting their butts kicked by the Marlins) although I haven't checked out all the tie-breakers. 123 losses, which I

think someone here pegged as the ultimate goal to erase the Mets ownership of ineptness for a modern season, is now the worst the ChiSox can do.







* The Tigers, 78-84 last year, and the Royals, 56-106 in '23, look to join Baltimore as the three AL WC teams.

The O's are losing big to the Yanx tonight which will settle the ALE unless something dramatic happens in the next few innings.

[Centerfield]

Would be nice if the Twins could beat the Marlins so that KC has something to play for.



They did dick against the Braves too IIRC.

[G-Fafif]

1962 Mets 40-120 --

2024 CHW 39-121 1

[G-Fafif]

“I never thought that this would be broken while I was still around,” said 86-year-old Craig Anderson, a member of those 1962 Mets. “For the Mets fans, it's off your shoulders. Now, we're not the worst in the world.”

From The Athletic.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=Craig Anderson post_id=172025 time=1727486246 user_id=55]
“I never thought that this would be broken while I was still around,” said 86-year-old Craig Anderson, a member of those 1962 Mets. “For the Mets fans, it's off your shoulders. Now, we're not the worst in the world.”

[G-Fafif]

After 161 games played:



1962 NYM 40-120-1 —

2024 CHW 40-121-0 1/2

[batmagadanleadoff]

“I never thought that this would be broken while I was still around,” said 86-year-old Craig Anderson, a member of those 1962 Mets. “For the Mets fans, it's off your shoulders. Now, we're not the worst in the world.” I dunno. Should the White Sox win their last two games, they'd finish with a better record than the '62 Mets.

Which they did.



2024 White Sox 41-121 (.253)

1962 Mets 40-120 (.250)



But now go try and tell baseball's mouth-breathers that the '62 Mets were better.



"But the Sox lost 121 games. That's worse".



But couldn't I, just the same, say that the Sox won 41 games and that 41 wins is better than 40 wins?"



"But 121 losses is worse than 120 losses."

[G-Fafif]

2024 41-121 White Sox: Most losses.

1962 40-120 Mets: Lower winning percentage.

1916 36-117 A's: We REALLY sucked.

1935 38-115 Braves: Us too.

[Edgy MD]

1962 Mets: "We were an expansion team built mostly from a draft that was kind of designed to screw expansion teams kind of bad. Plus our GM was more interested in getting famous names to sell at the box office than in building a talent base."



2024 White Sox: "We had an unprecedented amount of injuries."



1962 Mets: "Dude, everybody has injuries."



2024 White Sox: "Yeah, well, every sucky team has a GM with his head up his ass. We had, like, a lot of injuries."



1962 Mets: "Dude ... ."



2024 White Sox: "That's our story, Expansion Boy. What's the A's' excuse?"



1916 A's: "Dude, there was a war going on."



1962 Mets: "Well, we can see that, but shouldn't ... ."



1935 Braves: "Us too! War! Screwed us up real bad."



1916 A's: "Where?"



1935 Braves: "Italy invaded Ethiopia. 1935. Look it up."



1962 Mets: ((eyeroll))

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

=G-Fafif post_id=172497 time=1727657644 user_id=55]
2024 41-121 White Sox: Most losses.

1962 40-120 Mets: Lower winning percentage.

1916 36-117 A's: We REALLY sucked.

1935 38-115 Braves: Us too.

[G-Fafif]

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=172506 time=1727664205 user_id=119]
=G-Fafif post_id=172497 time=1727657644 user_id=55]
2024 41-121 White Sox: Most losses.

1962 40-120 Mets: Lower winning percentage.

1916 36-117 A's: We REALLY sucked.

1935 38-115 Braves: Us too.

[Lefty Specialist]

Point of order, Mr. Speaker.....



The US didn't enter WW1 until April 6, 1917. The 1916 A's had no excuse.



I yield back my time.

[Edgy MD]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Point of order, Mr. Speaker..... The US didn't enter WW1 until April 6, 1917. The 1916 A's had no excuse. I yield back my time.

1916 A's: "Pancho Villa invaded New Mexico while we were at spring training!! It was VERY unsettling!"

[metirish]

So, for the sake of clarity , have the 1962 Mets been surpassed as the worst ?

[Gwreck]

No. Although the White Sox lost one more, the Mets were still worse.

[metirish]

Interesting, thank you

[Benjamin Grimm]

It really depends on how you define worst, by most losses or by lowest winning percentage? I think at best it's ambiguous.