Ten Mets on the Ballot (Hall of Fame 2024)

[G-Fafif]

The BBWAA ballot has been released for the Hall of Fame class of 2024. It includes five Mets under consideration for the first time — David Wright, Jose Reyes, Bartolo Colon, Jose Bautista and Adrian Gonzalez — and five Met holdovers — Carlos Beltran, Bobby Abreu, Billy Wagner, Gary Sheffield and Francisco Rodriguez.



Also some non-Mets.

[G-Fafif]

Non-Met first-timers:



Adrian Beltre

Matt Holliday

Victor Martinez

Joe Mauer

Brandon Phillips

James Shields

Fuck Chase Utley



Non-Met holdovers:



Todd Helton

Andruw Jones

Alex Rodriguez

Manny Ramirez

Omar Vizquel

Andy Pettitte

Jimmy Rollins

Mark Buehrle

Torii Hunter

[Gwreck]

Gwreck Ballot:



Yes:

Carlos Beltran

Adrian Beltre

Todd Helton

Andruw Jones

Joe Mauer

Gary Sheffield

Billy Wagner



No:

David Wright (regrettably)

Abreu

Pettitte

Buehrle

Alex Rodriguez

Ramirez

Utley



Everyone else on the ballot is below this level (eg. not seriously considered).

[Edgy MD]

Manny Ramirez, ratted out by A-Rod, and dragged off to the Hall of Ignominy with him.

[metirish]

Really hope Wagner gets in

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: Manny Ramirez, ratted out by A-Rod, and dragged off to the Hall of Ignominy with him.

Not only is Manny a Homie, but my good friend (who passed away a few years ago) used to umpire Manny's games at George Washington High School in Washington Heights.

I don't care what that arsehole said, Manny would get my sentimental vote.

AssRod should have to drink his own bile.

Later

[whippoorwill]

Manny beloved around here.

Though he broke my little boy's heart

[Edgy MD]

Edgy MD wrote: Manny Ramirez, ratted out by A-Rod, and dragged off to the Hall of Ignominy with him. Not only is Manny a Homie, but my good friend (who passed away a few years ago) used to umpire Manny's games at George Washington High School in Washington Heights. I don't care what that arsehole said, Manny would get my sentimental vote. AssRod should have to drink his own bile. Later

Please don't allow me to give the inference that A-Rod's testimony is the sum total of the evidence against Ramirez.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: Please don't allow me to give the inference that A-Rod's testimony is the sum total of the evidence against Ramirez.

Of course it isn't.

But it gave me a chance to note my support for Manny as well as take a shot at A-Rod.

As Voltaire wrote, "The best of all possible worlds".



Later

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

=Gwreck post_id=141462 time=1700502998 user_id=56]
Gwreck Ballot:



Yes:

Carlos Beltran

Adrian Beltre

Todd Helton

Andruw Jones

Joe Mauer

Gary Sheffield

Billy Wagner



No:

David Wright (regrettably)

Abreu

Pettitte

Buehrle

Alex Rodriguez

Ramirez

Utley



Everyone else on the ballot is below this level (eg. not seriously considered).

[whippoorwill]

There are excellent choices here. None of them deserve to be judged by the likes of us



Baseball only



Big fan of Gary Sheffield as well

[The Hot Corner]

I'm a little like the tough "Rusian judges" when it comes to Hall of Fame voting. I believe there are far too many enshrined that were good, but far from the greats of the game or their era. It is with that kind of mindset, I would vote for the following:



Adrian Beltre

Carlos Beltran

Todd Helton

Joe Mauer



I'm on the fence for Billy Wagner.



If only Wright could have had a few more injury free years. Put that man in the Mets Hall of Fame.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Todd Zeile had better career numbers than Wright.

[metirish]

[Edgy MD]

I'm not sure that ballot's going to help him win the J.G. Taylor Spink Award.

[MFS62]

And it won't get him many smiles from friends of Reuben Tejada.

Later

[Cowtipper]

I'm a "big Hall" kind of guy, so of the candidates with Mets experience I could actively support or could see Hall of Fame cases for the bolded names:



David Wright, Jose Reyes, Bartolo Colon, Jose Bautista and Adrian Gonzalez — and five Met holdovers — Carlos Beltran, Bobby Abreu, Billy Wagner, Gary Sheffield and Francisco Rodriguez.



I actively support Abreu, Beltran, Wagner, Sheffield and Rodriguez. I don't actively support Wright, yet, but could in the future; that doesn't mean I think he'd hurt the Hall too much if he was elected, I just don't actively push his induction yet. Bautista could feasibly have a peak case, but I don't actively support him and would be hard-pressed to support him. Colon was good, but he was good like Dennis Martinez or Jamie Moyer were good, in that they pitched forever and put together good compiler stats because of it. Adrian Gonzalez and Jose Reyes I'd say had Hall of Fame potential, but faltered too early to make it.

[metirish]

Sweet Jesus

[ashie62]

David Wright has more class than most of the names bandied about here



You go Adam Rubin!

[metirish]

Having class won't get in you, but lacking class can sure keep you out

[Lefty Specialist]

3 or 4 more David Wright-ish years and he would have had a puncher's chance of getting in. But alas. Hope he at least gets the 5% to hang around another year.

[metirish]

I think that would be a surprise if he gets to that 5%

[Edgy MD]

Reach 5%? Golly gee, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

[metirish]

https://twitter.com/ShutTheDore/status/1729291365379408096

[metirish]

[metirish]

I wish Wagner got more love

[Edgy MD]

A yes to Andruw Jones along with a no to Carlos Beltrán is tough position to stake out. To my thinking, anyhow.

[Edgy MD]

Andre Dawson says he has written the Hall requesting that his plaque be altered to depict him in a Cubs hat, rather than as an Expo.



I'm relatively certain that it's simply a matter of far more financial opportunities being afforded to him in framing himself as a Cub, moreso than any animus toward Montreal, but he'd do better to make such initiatives discretely. Someday there will be Major League Baseball again in Montreal, and there will be a cost to actively divorcing his legacy from there.

[metirish]

https://twitter.com/ShutTheDore/status/1730080178334728341

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: A yes to Andruw Jones along with a no to Carlos Beltrán is tough position to stake out. To my thinking, anyhow.

Mine as well. Andruw at his best was a terrific player but his age 30 and up seasons were mediocre at best.

The fact that he started so young made his 20's a complete decade of HoF level play but Beltran was still

contributing to teams in his second decade as well. Jones also got pulled off the field more than occasionally

for not hustling both on offense and in the field. I remember an exasperated Bobby Cox muttering to reporters

that he was running out of ideas on what to do about his lapses, 'I've already taken most of his money from

him' (fined him repeatedly).

Edgy MD wrote: Andre Dawson says he has written the Hall requesting that his plaque be altered to depict him in a Cubs hat, rather than as an Expo.

Here's where I go into my rant about how ridiculous the idea is that the insignia on the plaque makes one

a HoF'er for that team to the exclusion of any others he played for. People have been acting as this is the

case for decades now and it's driven me nuts for just as long.

I'll spare you all the full rant as you've heard it before.