Collective Bargaining Agreement

[A Boy Named Seo]

The new PCL logo is gorgeous



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[nymr83]

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, I figure this is an attempt to use Covid as an excuse to avoid something that's perhaps less-than-desireable to owners and management.

long extra inning games are not desirable to anyone other than diehard baseball fans. I'm sure the owners would like to turn the stadium lights off and stop paying the hourly workers, the management would like to avoid figuring out which Triple A pitchers need to get on a plane ASAP, the players would prefer not to work extra innings for the same money and still have to wake up and do it again tomorrow. The broadcasters want to go home as do 75% of the fans including all the ones who brought their kids. the network wants to move on to it's next scheduled programming. Maybe the teenagers working a summer job at the ballpark like the overtime, but most of the other employees also want to get home.

[Frayed Knot]

https://nypost.com/2022/03/22/mlb-union-agree-to-temporary-28-man-rosters-shohei-ohtani-rule/The Return of Ghost Runner



But it's only for health and safety reasons [aka: the label we can slap on it so as to justify it] and it's only for the 2022 [aka: just like that experimental rule they tried out in one of

the leagues back in '73]



But, hey, at least they're agreeing to nine-inning games rather than the seven which constituted almost 1/4 of the NYM season last year or the other proposal for dividing the game

into four quarters (OK, I made that last one up but you can't prove it wasn't under consideration ... hey, it works for football!!!)

Also expanded rosters thru May 1st and a pitcher-to-DH rule (apparently existing solely for Shohei Ohtani).



Owners still have to approve of all this but it's a simple majority vote (majorities are often simple IMO) and it's considered a virtual automatic.

[Fman99]

I'd wish for ghost runners to die but of course they are already dead, being ghosts.

[Benjamin Grimm]

That sucks. I was really happy to see it go. I'd rather see the game end in a tie after 12 innings than to have that stupid ghost runner.

[Frayed Knot]

I suspect this will wind up as an 'only after 12 innings' rule which, because it's not as bad as what they started with, will sound reasonable in comparison.

[Edgy MD]

I suspect leaking an outrageous proposal, rejecting it, and instead adopting a simply bad proposal, makes for an excellent smokescreen from a PR perspective.

[Willets Point]

They want to promote two-way players, but they are ending the practice of having pitchers bat that goes back to the origins of baseball?!?!

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

So I heard from a good source that uni patches probably won't be a reality until the postseason, they don't have time to pull it off in part because of the lockout

[A Boy Named Seo]

I guess that's good, but what an awful time to debut them.

[TransMonk]

I remember when they added he New Era logo to the side of the caps it was premiered in the playoffs.

[kcmets]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: That sucks. I was really happy to see it go. I'd rather see the game end in a tie after 12 innings than to have that stupid ghost runner.

Me too.



Is there an easy way to run a query over like the last five years to

see how many games the Mets played in that went over 12 innings?



The average per year can't be too high, so maybe my aggravation

over this is silly. But I'm still aggravated. Stop changing the rules!

Edited March 24, 2022 by Guest

[batmagadanleadoff]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: So I heard from a good source that uni patches probably won't be a reality until the postseason, they don't have time to pull it off in part because of the lockout

What about this?



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[Benjamin Grimm]

=kcmets post_id=87595 time=1648139008 user_id=53]
Is there an easy way to run a query over like the last five years to

see how many games the Mets played in that went over 12 innings?

[kcmets]

Excellent! Thank you.

[A Boy Named Seo]

=TransMonk post_id=87594 time=1648137985 user_id=71]
I remember when they added he New Era logo to the side of the caps it was premiered in the playoffs.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: So I heard from a good source that uni patches probably won't be a reality until the postseason, they don't have time to pull it off in part because of the lockout What about this? [FIMG=444]https://i0.wp.com/www.metspolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Screen-Shot-2022-01-03-at-6.38.09-AM.jpg?w=594&ssl=1[/FIMG]

I think they are on the way but sponsor patches and helmet decals not

[kcmets]

The Ohtani rule is utter bullshit too. Stop changing the rules!

[batmagadanleadoff]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: So I heard from a good source that uni patches probably won't be a reality until the postseason, they don't have time to pull it off in part because of the lockout What about this? [FIMG=444]https://i0.wp.com/www.metspolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Screen-Shot-2022-01-03-at-6.38.09-AM.jpg?w=594&ssl=1[/FIMG] I think they are on the way but sponsor patches and helmet decals not

I can't imagine what the holdup could be. I understand that applications for uniform changes, like the 60th anniversary patch the Mets intend to wear this season need to be submitted about a year before the changes go into effect. But you'd figure that this corporate advertising stuff where sponsors pay MLB millions and millions of dollars for those rights would get fast-tracked because of the guaranteed money at stake. What? Owners aren't suddenly greedy anymore and motivated by mainly making more money?

[Frayed Knot]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Is there an easy way to run a query over like the last five years to see how many games the Mets played in that went over 12 innings? I looked for games that went more than 12 innings, meaning 13 or more. None in 2020 or 2021. Four in 2018 and four in 2019. One in 2016 and one in 2017. The most 13-or-more-inning regular-seasons games in a year for the Mets is six, and it's happened four times: 1972, 1973, 2010, and 2014.

Looking at this a little more fully: for the decade of the aughts [2010 - 2019, all full seasons] the Mets went past 12 innings 38 times, or 3.8 per/season

If we assume the Mets results to be typical (but are NYM results ever typical?) that means, per season, around 57 MLB games go past 12 innings, or 2.3%

That's one game out of every 42 or between one and two per week across the league.





What initially spurred this rule was, of course, Covid, but now I think they're using it as a way to lighten workloads. Shortened spring training is the raison

du jour for this year but I could see this catching on in front offices especially given the way teams churn through pitchers on a daily basis. In effect, they

want a rule to protect themselves from themselves.

As far as time of games go, the problem is less that extra inning games run too long it's that the games run too long before they ever get to extras.

Fix the first problem and the second suddenly becomes less of an issue.