2022 HOF Ballot

[Gwreck]

New Names:

Carl Crawford

Prince Fielder

Ryan Howard

Tim Lincecum

Justin Morneau

Joe Nathan

David Ortiz

Jonathan Papelbon

Jake Peavy

AJ Pierzynski

Alex Rodriguez

Jimmy Rollins

Mark Teixeira



Final Year on Ballot:

Barry Bonds

Roger Clemens

Curt Schilling

Sammy Sosa



Other Holdovers:

Bobby Abreu

Mark Buehrle

Todd Helton

Tim Hudson

Torii Hunter

Andruw Jones

Jeff Kent

Andy Pettitte

Manny Ramirez

Scott Rolen

Billy Wagner

Gary Sheffield

Omar Vizquel

Edited November 22, 2021 by Guest

[Gwreck]

Gwreck Ballot:



Bonds

Clemens

Helton

Ortiz

Rodriguez

Rolen

Schilling

Sheffield

Sosa

Wagner

Edited November 22, 2021 by Guest

[Ceetar]

My ballot. Just Prince Fielder.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Most of these guys played after I stopped paying close attention, so I can't really say for sure. I might just go with Ortiz. I'm definitely opposed to Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa.

[seawolf17]

You left ARod off your list, but here's my vote.



Joe Nathan

David Ortiz

Barry Bonds

Todd Helton

Manny Ramirez

Alex Rodriguez

Billy Wagner



(edit: left off Wags)

Edited November 22, 2021 by Guest

[Gwreck]

Weird, didn't mean to leave him off. Thanks; fixed.

[MFS62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Most of these guys played after I stopped paying close attention, so I can't really say for sure. I might just go with Ortiz. I'm definitely opposed to Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa.

They're on my no-vote list.

And there's one more.

Even Carrie Underwood knew about A-Rod and that He Cheats.

enjoy



______________________________________________________________________________

Right now he's probably romancing

some baseball Annie

And she's probably getting frisky

Right now, he's probably wishing

That he didn't have those shots

'Cause his lovin' has been risky



Right now, he's probably up behind her

With a fungo

Cause his own “bat” don't work

Why? Now he knows



He stuck that needle into his side

For his down-the-stretch Hall of Fame drive

Thought each homer would be a record feat

He swung a Louisville slugger both day and night

While he called the finger pointers liars

But maybe next time he'll think before he cheats



Right now, he still thinks its okey dokey

While all his suppliers are serving time in the pokey

Right now, he's probably thinking, "I'm a hunk"

And he's a thinking that he's gonna get away with that junk



Right now, he's probably dabbing on 20 dollars

Worth of that new cologne from Derek

Oh and he don't know





He stuck that needle into his side

For his down-the-stretch Hall of Fame drive

Thought each homer would be a record feat

He swung a Louisville slugger both day and night

While he called the finger pointers liars

But maybe next time he'll think before he cheats





Oh, maybe next time he'll think before he cheats

Oh, before he cheats

Oh

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Later

[Edgy MD]

Mets Representing on the Ballot:

Bobby Abreu

Jeff Kent

Billy Wagner

Gary Sheffield



Mets Who Might Have Appeared on the Ballot, but Didn't:

Marlon Byrd

Chris Capuano

Dana Eveland

Jeff Franceour

Kelly Johnson

James Loney

Juan Uribe



Non-Mets Who Arguably Should Have Been on the Ballot Despite Only Playing Four Years:

José Fernandez

[seawolf17]

No, there's no compelling argument for Jose Fernandez to have waived the ten-year requirement. Lightning in a bottle, yes, but four years isn't enough.

[Edgy MD]

Oh, but you're cool about Dana Eveland.



Noted!

[Willets Point]

There are a lot of Hall of Really Good players among the newcomers. David Ortiz is the only one I consider a shoe-in.



My ballot:

David Ortiz

Jimmy Rollins

Alex Rodriguez

Barry Bonds

Roger Clemens

Sammy Sosa

Todd Helton

Manny Ramirez

Omar Vizquel

Joe Nathan

[MFS62]

My votes go to:

Ortiz - Fame is more than just numbers

Helton - numbers, in case you don't have fame

Manny (my homie from the Heights)

Kent - Superior (.290-377-1522) to Joe Morgan (.271-268-1133) and it would piss off Barry Bonds

Vizquel - if Mazeroski is in because of his great glove, then Omar deserves to be in, too.

Wagner - very effective throughout his entire long career.

Later

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

David Ortiz

Jimmy Rollins

Curt Schilling

Todd Helton

Andruw Jones

Scott Rolen

Billy Wagner

Omar Vizquel

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

10:



David Ortiz

Alex Rodriguez

Barry Bonds

Bobby Abreu

Todd Helton

Andruw Jones

Jeff Kent

Manny Ramirez

Billy Wagner

Gary Sheffield

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Abreu and Jones are "gut feeling" guys who might not stand up to heavy scrutiny and I could be talked out of.



I left off Clemens and Schilling despite their deserving in.



First time on my ballot for Arod who I have to say is improving his chances on a baseball-positive post-career. Also Wagner whom I didn't like much as a Met but got the job done as well as anyone, mostly

[batmagadanleadoff]

=MFS62 post_id=81572 time=1637616722 user_id=60]
My votes go to:

...

Kent - Superior (.290-377-1522) to Joe Morgan (.271-268-1133) and it would piss off Barry Bonds

[batmagadanleadoff]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=81576 time=1637619795 user_id=68]
=MFS62 post_id=81572 time=1637616722 user_id=60]
My votes go to:

...

Kent - Superior (.290-377-1522) to Joe Morgan (.271-268-1133) and it would piss off Barry Bonds

[MFS62]

Since Morgan has said he doesn't believe in Analytics, I used old fashioned "counting stats" Morgan would understand to support my vote. I hoisted him by his own petard.

And, the second part of my reason is equally important to me - it would really piss off Barry Bonds if Kent got in and he didn't.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/kents-relationship-bonds-we-werent-friendshttps://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/kents-relationship-bonds-we-werent-friends



Later

[batmagadanleadoff]

Since Morgan has said he doesn't believe in Analytics, I used old fashioned "counting stats" Morgan would understand to support my vote. I hoisted him by his own petard. And, the second part of my reason is equally important to me - it would really piss off Barry Bonds if Kent got in and he didn't. https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/kents-relationship-bonds-we-werent-friendshttps://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/kents-relationship-bonds-we-werent-friends Later

I wasn't addressing whether or not Kent deserves to be enshrined. I was only responding to your "superior" line. Still, voting for Kent based on old-fashioned pre-SABR stats just because Morgan was SABR illiterate makes zero sense.

[MFS62]

Depends on how you measure. And I explained my criteria.

Jeff Kent: .290-377-1522

Joe Morgan .271-268-1133

Looking at the all around game, of course Morgan was better.

But when you limit the criteria, comparisons can be made. And if the vote had been taken , say, 20 years ago(before analytics) many voters might have put Kent before Morgan.



Later

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, but I think it should go without saying that we should vote for the criteria we believe in, rather than the criteria we think Joe Morgan believed in. Or to use criteria that would piss Barry Bonds off.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=MFS62 post_id=81588 time=1637625445 user_id=60]
Depends on how you measure. And I explained my criteria.

Jeff Kent: .290-377-1522

Joe Morgan .271-268-1133

Looking at the all around game, of course Morgan was better.

But when you limit the criteria, comparisons can be made. And if the vote had been taken , say, 20 years ago(before analytics) many voters might have put Kent before Morgan.



Later

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, but I think it should go without saying that we should vote for the criteria we believe in, rather than the criteria we think Joe Morgan believed in. Or to use criteria that would piss Barry Bonds off.

Throughout the history of hall of fame voting, voters have voted based on their own criteria. For example - What about all the players who didn't receive a vote because some voters felt a player shouldn't make it on their first year of eligibility?

Since this is a fun place and a totally hypothetical thread (none of have a vote, do they?) I decided to have fun with it.

I also said Ramirez gets my vote because he's my Homie.

When you said "I think it should go without saying" in your post, you were using personalized criteria, weren't you?

Allow us to do that , too.





And batmag's response to mine is just too plain stupid for an intelligent response.



Later

Edited November 22, 2021 by Guest

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, but I think it should go without saying that we should vote for the criteria we believe in, rather than the criteria we think Joe Morgan believed in. Or to use criteria that would piss Barry Bonds off. Throughout the history of hall of fame voting, voters have voted based on their own criteria. For example - What about all the players who didn't receive a vote because some voters felt a player shouldn't make it on their first year of eligibility? Since this is a fun place and a totally hypothetical thread (none of have a vote, do they?) I decided to have fun with it. When you said "I think it should go without saying" in your post, you were using personalized criteria, weren't you? Allow us to do that , too. Now I know you are going to parse this for one of your classic picayune retorts. And I don't give a fuck. And batmag's response to mine is just too plain stupid for an intelligent response. Later

Really? I thought I was responding to a stupid post. And then another even stupider post.

[MFS62]

You were wrong.

R.I.F.

Later

[batmagadanleadoff]

Oh. Maybe you need something more analogous, closer to home, your speed. So let's limit the criteria once again. Dave Kingman was a better baseball player than Jeff Kent was because Kingman hit more HR's than Kent did.

[MFS62]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=81595 time=1637626885 user_id=68]
Oh. Maybe you need something more analogous, closer to home, your speed. So let's limit the criteria once again. Dave Kingman was a better baseball player than Jeff Kent was because Kingman hit more HR's than Kent did.

[Edgy MD]

Throughout the history of hall of fame voting, voters have voted based on their own criteria. For example - What about all the players who didn't receive a vote because some voters felt a player shouldn't make it on their first year of eligibility? Since this is a fun place and a totally hypothetical thread (none of have a vote, do they?) I decided to have fun with it. I also said Ramirez gets my vote because he's my Homie. When you said "]I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with someone who is half prepared.

I implore you to reconsider this tack of engagement.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with someone who is half prepared. I implore you to reconsider this tack of engagement.

You're right. He lowered the bar when he said "your speed" and I responded.

I shouldn't have done that.

Later

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with someone who is half prepared. I implore you to reconsider this tack of engagement. You're right. He lowered the bar when he said "your speed" and I responded. I shouldn't have done that. Later

You can't even get the chronology right.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Morgan also ranks 11th on the all-time stolen bases list. He was the second best base stealer of his generation, something very often overlooked or forgotten because Morgan's career almost perfectly coincided with that of Lou Brock's. Morgan's career success rate stealing bases was 80%, so he was rarely thrown out trying to steal a base.



This is not to rub it in, but just to point out how flawless Morgan's game was. He did it all and we was great at it.