Racist Comment About Stroman

[MFS62]

While we were following the game on our stations, we didn't hear this.

Last night, one-time major league manager and Arizona announcer Bob Brenly insulted Stroman and his durag.

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-mets-diamondbacks-announcer-bob-brenly-mocks-marcus-stromans-durag-130405808.htmlhttps://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-mets-diamondbacks-announcer-bob-brenly-mocks-marcus-stromans-durag-130405808.html (straight Yahoo article with no hidden links).

During Tuesday night's game between the Diamondbacks and the New York Mets, Brenly made what he thought was a "joke" about Mets starting pitcher Marcus Stroman's choice of headwear, a durag. “I'm sure that is the same du-rag that Tom Seaver used to wear when he pitched for the Mets,” Brenly said.

Dennis Young at the New York Daily News pointed out that this is not the first time Brenly has unnecessarily mocked a non-white player for what he chooses to wear on the field. Brenly, who managed in Arizona from 2001-04, has a record of totally unnecessary comments about non-white players. In 2019, he said that “it might be easier to run the bases if he didn't have that bike chain around his neck,” about Fernando Tatis Jr.

The Mets have not released their response yet. Was it mentioned on the Mets broadcast?

Later

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

It was an insensitive offhand comment he definitely shouldn't have made but I don't think it benefits the Mets broadcasters or us watching at home to have it discussed it immediately.

[kcmets]

I think I've joked about Stro's doo rag in an IGT and I suppose it's border-line

inappropriate for me to do so. Doing so on TV is probably a good way to be un-

employed if the story gets some wheels.

[Frayed Knot]

... In 2019, [brenley] said that “it might be easier to run the bases if he didn't have that bike chain around his neck,” about Fernando Tatis Jr.

Shyeeet, I've said that a ton of times about multiple players over the years.

[LWFS]

To hear NL West fans tell it online last night, it's a pretty constant just-between-us-old-white-guys racially-tinged 'joke' parade-- not just Tatis, but Machado, Puig, and a number of others getting offhand, apropos-of-nothing comments about cultural-coded style or behavior tidbits-- in that booth in recent years.

[bmfc1]

Brenly: "why can't he be like a white man?"

To paraphrase what G-fafif said last night on Twitter, get Seaver's name out of your mouth, Brenly.

[Fman99]

Just another old white jackass disguised as a professional broadcaster. I hope he can get a spot on the couch at Marty Brenneman's apartment for wayward racists and hate mongerers.

[G-Fafif]

Except for today being YouTube-only, this is a marvelous suggestion.

[LWFS]

That would be a DAMN delight.



But honestly, fuck a Brenly apology. He IS that guy; I would bet a kidney wasn't sitting on that for at least an inning or two, waiting to drop it at whenever he had the "right moment." If he ever does reflect on it, it won't be overnight after a Twitter storm; the best you'll get from him is something mealy-mouthed.

[G-Fafif]

[Fman99]

I need sensitivity training, I think. Hopefully they can find some hot chick to be the instructor.

[Centerfield]

For those, like me, that wondered why the du-rag comment is racist, it's amazing what you can find with ten seconds of googling.



https://www.byrdie.com/history-of-durag-4798963https://www.byrdie.com/history-of-durag-4798963

[LWFS]

Ayyyyyup. Du-rags are NOT bandannas.



It was essentially a fried chicken joke in old-people-make-fun-of-the-styles-of-today drag.

[Edgy MD]

I conflate Bob Brenly with Bruce Bochy. Like, I could spend a week camping in the mountains with one of those guys and think it was the other guy.



This incident helps me distinguish.

[nymr83]

Frayed Knot wrote: ... In 2019, [brenley] said that “it might be easier to run the bases if he didn't have that bike chain around his neck,” about Fernando Tatis Jr. Shyeeet, I've said that a ton of times about multiple players over the years.

Not racist. More like something people who have the need to find racism everywhere or people grasping at straws to show a pattern of behaviour would point to. You don't need jewelry flying around. My high school coach made me take the watch (remember watches? They told time before cell phones) off on day one.

[Edgy MD]

The reality kicks in when it becomes a pattern of a certain type of complaint with a certain type of player.



I have an old white guy shtick of my own when it came to the crooked hat movement.

[LWFS]

Frayed Knot wrote: ... In 2019, [brenley] said that “it might be easier to run the bases if he didn't have that bike chain around his neck,” about Fernando Tatis Jr. Shyeeet, I've said that a ton of times about multiple players over the years. Not racist. More like something people who have the need to find racism everywhere or people grasping at straws to show a pattern of behaviour would point to. You don't need jewelry flying around. My high school coach made me take the watch (remember watches? They told time before cell phones) off on day one.

Thanks for lending us your definitive, informed opinion.



Now do du-rags. And after that, tackle the fact that Brenly's been doing this nudge-nudge-wink-wink shit for years (about chains, blond hair on Hispanic players, tattoos), with a marked lean toward people darker than coffee ice cream.

[Edgy MD]

I think Frayed Knot's defining old white guy moment came when it described Blastings Thrilledge pursuing a fly ball while wearing a cross "only a little smaller than the True Cross."

[Frayed Knot]

Speaking racial profiling, the NFL has now pledged to stop the practice of racial "baselining", that's the one where black players (ie., most of their league) had a tough time qualifying for settlement money for concussion related dementia and other issues because they were assumed to start out with lower levels of cognitive function in the first place therefore making loss of function more difficult to prove.



And keep in mind that they haven't actually ended this practice, only that they've now pledged to do so. And that this pledged didn't come in 1968 or sometime 'round about the turn of this century but EARLIER TODAY

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: I think Frayed Knot's defining old white guy moment came when it described Blastings Thrilledge pursuing a fly ball while wearing a cross "only a little smaller than the True Cross."

I don't recall that particular comment but I'll take your word for it.

The only distinction I'd make is that I'd say the same thing if I saw a white OF'er with a hunk of chain flapping from chest to face as he ran.

Besides, I was a much younger man when Milledge was playing.

[whippoorwill]

Frayed Knot wrote: Speaking racial profiling, the NFL has now pledged to stop the practice of racial "baselining", that's the one where black players (ie., most of their league) had a tough time qualifying for settlement money for concussion related dementia and other issues because they were assumed to start out with lower levels of cognitive function in the first place therefore making loss of function more difficult to prove. And keep in mind that they haven't actually ended this practice, only that they've now pledged to do so. And that this pledged didn't come in 1968 or sometime 'round about the turn of this century but EARLIER TODAY

Craptastic

[Edgy MD]

I've long forsworn the NFL. I hat the NFL



But that's fucking next-level bullshit. Wow.

[MFS62]

The NFL situation is even more offensive when you realize that it was a person of color - a Nigerian-American Doctor who first diagnosed football-related brain injuries. And his research was initially ignored.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennet_Omaluhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennet_Omalu

Together with colleagues in the department of pathology at the University of Pittsburgh, Omalu published his findings in the journal Neurosurgery in 2005 in a paper entitled, "Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy in a National Football League Player." In it, Omalu called for further study of the disease: "We herein report the first documented case of long-term neurodegenerative changes in a retired professional NFL player consistent with chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). This case draws attention to a disease that remains inadequately studied in the cohort of professional football players, with unknown true prevalence rates."[15] Omalu believed the National Football League (NFL) doctors would be "pleased" to read it and that his research could be used to "fix the problem."[14] The paper received little attention initially, but members of the NFL's mild traumatic brain injury (MTBI) committee later called for its retraction in May 2006.[16] Their letter requesting the retraction characterized Omalu's description of CTE as "completely wrong" and called the paper "a failure."[4]

Later

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: I've long forsworn the NFL. I hat the NFL But that's fucking next-level bullshit. Wow.

Eh, don't worry. The withering criticism that the NFL will come under for this will force them to ...

Who are we kidding here? This will go unmentioned by those whose job it supposedly is to cover the league.

[G-Fafif]

Brenly's taking a bit of a break.

Former Cubs star Aramis Ramírez says he felt Bob Brenly made a point of attacking and deriding him on the air when Brenly was broadcasting Cubs games and Ramírez was in his final few years in Chicago. Ramírez said he and other Cubs players from Latin America felt Brenly was harsh with them because they were not White. Brenly, now the color commentator for the Diamondbacks broadcasts on Bally Sports Arizona, drew widespread condemnation Tuesday night for making a crack about Mets pitcher Marcus Stroman wearing a du-rag. Stroman is Black and tweeted after the game that the comment had “racist undertones.” Brenly apologized in a team-issued statement Wednesday morning for what he called a “poor attempt at humor that was insensitive and wrong.” Brenly also committed to seeking sensitivity training. On Thursday, Brenly went a step further and announced he would be stepping away from the broadcasts to reflect on his remarks. “I plan to return to the booth next homestand, hopefully a better person,” Brenly said in a statement issued to The Athletic. As screenshots of Brenly's initial statement went around social media, an unverified Twitter account seemingly belonging to Ramírez responded to many of them to say that he wasn't sure how Brenly still had a job. After Ramírez's agent, Paul Kinzer, confirmed to The Athletic that the account belonged to the former Cubs slugger, both Kinzer and Ramírez agreed to a joint phone interview Wednesday to discuss their thoughts on what they feel is a pattern of behavior with Brenly when it comes to talking about players of color. “It felt weird because every time he attacked somebody, it was a Latin player for some reason,” Ramírez said of his time in Chicago.

https://theathletic.com/2631373/2021/06/03/former-cub-aramis-ramirez-says-bob-brenlys-commentary-was-discriminatory-brenly-to-take-week-off-of-diamondbacks-broadcasts/https://theathletic.com/2631373/2021/06/03/former-cub-aramis-ramirez-says-bob-brenlys-commentary-was-discriminatory-brenly-to-take-week-off-of-diamondbacks-broadcasts/

[MFS62]

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Brenly, now the color commentator

[kcmets]

He's not going to wiggle off the hook with a weekend self-examination hiatus.

[Ceetar]

hopefully it becomes permanent.

[Edgy MD]

Not for nothing, but Jeff McNeil has what seems like a non-uniform durag peeking out from under his cap.

[LWFS]

Edgy MD wrote: Not for nothing, but Jeff McNeil has what seems like a non-uniform durag peeking out from under his cap.

Bandanna/headband. Not durag.