Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

There was some kind of Twitty controversy over the weekend relating to Mickey and the MBJG (Mom's Basement Journalist Guild).



guy tweeted out something to the effect of there being a bombshell Mickey story on the way, then retracted, mot because it was inaccurate but because it evidently jumped the gun of an actual journalist (Jeff Passan) said to be working on the real story. Half the pretend staff drawing pretend paychecks, of said fan-run site resigned in protest and will presumably look for other sites to not pay them for relaying fan-to-fan info.



Dick pics? Harrassing female reporters? is what I could divine from this very unverified chatter.



Seperately published stuff suggests Mickey and Bauer never got along which is considered an "advantage" for the Mets should they want to court him as current Mickey employer the Angels are also said to have interest.

[stevejrogers]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: but because it evidently jumped the gun of an actual journalist (Jeff Passan) said to be working on the real story. Half the pretend staff drawing pretend paychecks, of said fan-run site resigned in protest and will presumably look for other sites to not pay them for relaying fan-to-fan info.

There must be more going on behind the scenes with that basement journalism fan site for most of its staff, including an associated podcast, to jump ship over a jumping the gun “hot gossipy newz~” click bait piece.



There was chatter about the gender of the accuser being stated in the piece, but...isn't that, and age when legality is an issue, usually the only piece of info that can be disclosed in such pieces.



Stepping on Passan/ESPN's toes could be something, but I don't think that is enough to warrant the vitriol and over the top discussions of moral and ethics by the exiting staff members. “Being first” mentality is up there on the list of reasons all journalists can be seen as a scummy lot, but it does seem a bit low on the list if you want to use it for the reason you are leaving one particular outlet.

[Edgy MD]

Interesting hot take from Steve.



Weird. Maybe ESPN is the only destination worth aiming at for young sports journalists, and they don't want to their current outlet to stain their résumés.

[Edgy MD]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Seperately published stuff suggests Mickey and Bauer never got along which is considered an "advantage" for the Mets should they want to court him as current Mickey employer the Angels are also said to have interest.

This, of course, could flip over if the supposed story becomes a pretext for the Angels to drop Mickey. They could even offer Bauer a chance to pick his own coach.

[stevejrogers]

Edgy MD wrote: Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Seperately published stuff suggests Mickey and Bauer never got along which is considered an "advantage" for the Mets should they want to court him as current Mickey employer the Angels are also said to have interest. This, of course, could flip over if the supposed story becomes a pretext for the Angels to drop Mickey. They could even offer Bauer a chance to pick his own coach.

Having only seen the apology, and not the actual tweet, I'm leaning on this being the reason behind the exodus.



No clue, but I can see the original tweet allude to the possibility that this would eventually lead to Bauer choosing the Halos.



And the distaste of discussing how a disturbing news item would affect the Mets losing a targeted FA caused those who left, right away anyway, to use morals and ethics as part of their reasoning. I think many of the others just left for the sake of seeming to stand up with the original staff that departed.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

It's dumb when it gets to where we gotta speculate on stuff we don't even know is true, but re SJR's comments, it sounds to me like perhaps the quitting bloggers got a whiff of the "real story" from an actual reporter in confidence, made the mistake of telling their pretend colleague, who went and made another mistake of telling people. They had to quit to try and demonstrate to the source they burned that they could be trusted again, while their pretend colleague took the heat for blabbing as a means to save the integrity of his Mom's Basement.



--I kid here with these guys, I'm sure most mistakes were unitended and resulted from miscommunication as they do on all floors of your home, and I don't mean to suggest that even though they are probably unpaid and working at will and really just fans they don't try hard to inform and enlighten. It's just kind of funny to see people fall on professional swords that don't actually exist because they're not actually professionals.

[RealityChuck]

I've seen nearly all of them, so I'd say



Gil Hodges

Davy Johnson

Bobby Valentine

Willie Randolph

Yogi Berra

Terry Collins

Jerry Manuel

Joe Torre

Wes Westrum

Joe Frazier

George Bamberger

Mickey Callaway

Art "We battled" Howe

Dallas "Pitcher destroyer" Green





Others I didn't see enough to form an impression.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Whoop, there it is: https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1356412569758654466https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1356412569758654466

[Centerfield]

I stand by my ranking and assessment from the first page.

[TransMonk]

There's a pretty long and detailed story behind the paywall. No dick pics, but unwanted advances toward multiple women in multiple cities while he was with multiple clubs.

The Mets, when contacted by The Athletic, said that in August 2018 – about 10 months after Callaway joined the organization – the team learned of an incident that took place before it hired him. The team investigated that matter, a spokesperson said, but declined to reveal the nature of the incident, the outcome of that probe or whether Callaway was disciplined. Callaway continued managing the rest of the season.

Creepy stuff.

[bmfc1]

There is so much in the article that is terrible and no one should have to do their job and be subject to this behavior.



From a Mets perspective:

Here's a line from the article: "Callaway, who like Porter was hired by Alderson..." so the Mets have a problem to deal with even though Callaway is not their employee.

Also:

[bLOCKQUOTE]The Mets, when contacted by The Athletic, said that in August 2018 – about 10 months after Callaway joined the organization – the team learned of an incident that took place before it hired him. The team investigated that matter, a spokesperson said, but declined to reveal the nature of the incident, the outcome of that probe or whether Callaway was disciplined. Callaway continued managing the rest of the season.[/bLOCKQUOTE]

https://twitter.com/Britt_Ghiroli/status/1356420565268107266/photo/1https://twitter.com/Britt_Ghiroli/status/1356420565268107266/photo/1

Edited February 1, 2021 by Guest

[ashie62]

Trump loving ahole.

[G-Fafif]

As if sucking at managing wasn't enough.

[Edgy MD]

“It was the worst-kept secret in sports,” one of the women, who were all granted anonymity, told The Athletic.

Interesting in that it echoes the language Lunchie used to describe his inference about Porter's secret.

[Centerfield]

JCL, I think you had the scoop on this right? Fred liked Collins. Was this Sandy's guy?

[Edgy MD]

The overnight shift in the Wifey Watch Office reminds me that Callaway has a wife and two daughters old enough to be mortified by this revelation.

[Centerfield]

I feel bad for the daughters. The wife, I'm sure, has known the truth.

[G-Fafif]

The Mets issue statements:

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I was always under the impression that Mickey was Sandy's guy, because of Callaway's rep for genius with Cleveland, Fred's regard for Terry, and the the undermining effort Fred led after Mickey was hired. But maybe he was Jeff's guy all along?



Consider--



1. I saw on the twitter that the Mets were made aware of some of these allegations in August 2018 and were supposed to investigate, but nothing came of it.



2. Sandy had already been kicked aside by the Freddening when this came up. And the Puma dug up a tweet from then suggesting that Jeff had Mickey's back.



3. I'm sure that's in part because Mickey was cheaper to keep than a new guy was to get, but at any rate he managed another whole year without Sandy.



4. Mickey as it turns out was no baseball genius, nor an appropriate leader



Perhaps this points to underlying tensions between Fred and Jeff? That's understandable inasmuch as both are idiots and thought they were in control.



At any rate, it turns out that Mickey disappointed me many times more than I knew that he could. We already established he couldn't provide an advantage in X's and O's, every club under him had dreadful stretches, and now we learn not one but 2 instances where he was abusive and disrespectful of writers. How could you even be considered a Manager of the Mets if you cannot communicate sincerely and fairly with the press?



An idiot must've hired him

[Benjamin Grimm]

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Newsday cover wrote: Lennon: =#FFFFFF]Mickey a sorry figure

I wonder if Dave Lennon knew then what we know now?



I'm not at all surprised that some men behave the way we've learned that Mickey has, but I have to say I really don't understand it. I would think that "aggressively creepy" would be an approach that would fail far more often than it succeeds. And even beyond that, how stupid is it that a married man, with two daughters, and in a high profile position, would put his aggressive creepiness in writing? Did he think that this wouldn't eventually come out?



I don't know who's worse, Callaway or Porter. At least Callaway didn't send an unsolicited dick pic. Porter's, at the end of his attempted "courtship", seems to me more like a fuck-you sendoff to the woman who spurned him rather than a last-ditch Hail Mary test. But Porter was divorced at the time (I think) so at least infidelity isn't a factor with him.



Bah! It doesn't matter which one was worse. Good riddance to both of them!



As far as Sandy Alderson, I don't think it's implausible to think that he might not have been able to find out about Jared Porter's incident if it was a one-time thing with one particular woman. But with Mickey it was apparently a pattern of behavior and I think Sandy does have more accountability for that hire.

[Benjamin Grimm]

(By the way, if you're keeping score at home, both MICKEY MOUTH CLUB and SORRY SEEMS TO BE THE HARDEST WORD were first-round winners in the 2019 Tabloid Cover Derby. )

[G-Fafif]

But so impressed were Alderson and Fred Wilpon, the Mets' owner, after a lunch meeting with Callaway that they canceled a second round of interviews to concentrate on him. “The thing I want to emphasize is we weren't only looking for a manager, we were looking for a leader,” Alderson said. “There seemed to be a real consistency between Mickey's approach and our approach and what he was looking for in the way of managing, and what we were looking for in the way of a leader in the clubhouse. “That's a visceral reaction, not one that you can put down on a checklist, but to me that said everything.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/23/sports/baseball/mickey-callaway-mets-manager.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/23/sports/baseball/mickey-callaway-mets-manager.html

[batmagadanleadoff]

Trevor Bauer hated Mickey Callaway when they were both in Cleveland. That relationship is said to be unfixable. So with Callaway now likely to get the boot from the Angels, I wonder if the Angels become the favorite to sign Bauer? They might've already been the favorites even before this scandal broke.

[Centerfield]

I think there are conflicting reports about that three hour lunch. Some other articles I read suggested Fred and Jeff attended while Sandy did not.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

http://archives.thecranepool.net/26100/f1_t26144.shtmlhttp://archives.thecranepool.net/26100/f1_t26144.shtml



We even raised the possibility they rushed this hire in this thread. I'm sure Sandy won't stand for a grilling on this but someone should ask him

[Edgy MD]

The Mets are going to get a heck of a hot water bill this month.

[Benjamin Grimm]

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[Edgy MD]

Many Explicit Texting Scandals

[Edgy MD]

Not having an Athletic subscription, and lacking the will to sort through tweets and figure out who is credible and who isn't, how do the Callaway infractions compare to those of Porter?



I don't know, but I'm gleaning no dic pics and no 60-text blowups. Inappropriate and unprofessional and kind of pathetic but not skewing so much toward borderline criminal harassment as the other guy. Is that right?

[Fman99]

I would have gone with "Icky Mickey" as a thread title.