I'm Keith Hernandez (Not me, Keith) Does Keith Hernandez have his own thread somewhere here?

[LWFS]

Anyone who is HOF eligible right now can make his list. That means no active players. He's got plenty of Negro Leaguers on his list and 19th century players, too. He's also got ineligible (banned) players on his list -- Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose. One category I'm not sure of is whether players who are still appearing on the initial HOF ballot without having fallen off that ballot are eligible for his list, but I assume no because he's named 97 players already and no one from that category has made his 100 yet. No Josh Gibson yet, no? Gibson was elected into the Hall of Fame in 1972. https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/gibson-joshhttps://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/gibson-josh Later

Yeah, I'm a moron.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Anyone who is HOF eligible right now can make his list. That means no active players. He's got plenty of Negro Leaguers on his list and 19th century players, too. He's also got ineligible (banned) players on his list -- Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose. One category I'm not sure of is whether players who are still appearing on the initial HOF ballot without having fallen off that ballot are eligible for his list, but I assume no because he's named 97 players already and no one from that category has made his 100 yet. No Josh Gibson yet, no? Gibson was elected into the Hall of Fame in 1972. https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/gibson-joshhttps://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/gibson-josh Yeah, I'm a moron.

Well then, me too. Because I wasn't sure if players still appearing on the HOF ballot for the first phase of induction are eliigible for Posnanski's list. But they are. Because Bonds and Clemens are in his top 100. As are Rolen and Schilling. And several others.



And speaking of the HOF, if not Po's list, fivethirtyeight.com is predicting that no players will be inducted into the HOF this year.



https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-expect-to-see-any-players-elected-to-the-baseball-hall-of-fame-this-year/https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-expect-to-see-any-players-elected-to-the-baseball-hall-of-fame-this-year/

[batmagadanleadoff]

This is getting so subjective.



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the MLB'er topping "the list"

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#1 - Minnie Minoso

[Edgy MD]

Saturnino Orestes Armas Minoso. Cuban Leaguer. Negro Leaguer. Scouted by Abe Saperstein. First black White sock. Probably should have been Rookie of the Year. Probably should have won an MVP in '54. Got hit by a ton of pitches. Great ambassador. Seven-time All Star.

[Edgy MD]

It strikes me that there's nobody in the HoF who played for Seattle Pilots.



It strikes me that it's really hard to make a HoF argument for anybody who played for Seattle Pilots. Tommy Davis, Skip Lockwood ... Jim Bouton might have one of the strongest cases, and it's not that strong.



I could cobble together a tortuous case for Lou Pinella. He was traded near the end of Spring Training, but at least he wore the hat.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Well, that obviously has pretty much everything to do with the fact that the Pilots existed for just one season, thus severely lessening the odds that they'd have a HOF'er. (Coupled with the fact that 1st year expansion teams tended to be god-awful in those days). Focus on the duration of existence instead of on the existence of the team itself. I mean, there aren't any HOF'ers from the 1969 Padres, Royals or Expos, either. (Best careers, though -- Rusty Staub, Roy Face, Joe Niekro, Lou Piniella (1969 Pilots and 1969 Royals).

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, it's certainly not unexpected. I just thought it was worthy of note that there's virtually no chance that the hat will ever appear on a HoF plaque.



Maury Wills was a 1969 Expo, and he spent 15 years on the BBWAA ballot, getting some solid (20–40%) support. As for the 1969 Padres, I guess the best candidates are Joe Niekro and Cito Gaston.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: I just thought it was worthy of note that there's virtually no chance that the hat will ever appear on a HoF plaque.

No, but here's a close second: On my only visit to Cooperstown, there was a very prominent exhibit of all of the 1969 MLB baseball uniforms on display. They really were 1969 uniforms, as all of the jerseys had the 1969 commemorative patch (except for the Pirates top, as the Pirates were the only team not to wear that patch, which was optional, not mandatory). But anyways, there were caps on display, too. So the Pilots cap did appear in the HOF!

[MFS62]

I'm sure that if Bouton had been elected to the HOF, he would have told them he wanted to go in as a Seattle Pilot.

He was that kind of iconoclast.

Later

[Edgy MD]

1920s Hollywood heartthrob Gilbert Roland, getting his Keith Hernandez on before the world had been blessed with the genuine article.



https://metsrostercentral.files.wordpress.com/2021/03/roland.jpg>

[kcmets]

That's pretty risqué for that era lol



I won't ask, no I just won't...

[Edgy MD]

That's nuttin'. It's before the Hays Code. Hollywood was all risque up until 1929.



https://weminoredinfilm.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/red-dust-1932-001-harlow-gable-ecstatic-embrace.jpg?w=500>

[G-Fafif]

The 1997 New York Mets Hall of Famer has been elected in 2021 to the St. Louis Cardinals' version.

[Frayed Knot]

'bout freakin' time

[Edgy MD]

Literally dozens in the house for the mini-ceremony.

[kcmets]

avi wuz here

[bmfc1]

Frayed Knot wrote: 'bout freakin' time

Has anyone from STL explained what took so long? Spite, because he helped the Mets win a Series? His drug use?

[Edgy MD]

Drugging your way off a first place team and then going to a cellar-dwellar, helping turn them around, getting clean, and leading them into a bitter rivalry against the team you drugged your way of can certainly leave something of a bad taste in the mouth for a while.



Gary mentioned today how polite and tolerant he has found St. Louis fans to be. That hasn't been my experience.

[stevejrogers]

Also their Hall was established in 2014.

[kcmets]

=stevejrogers post_id=63240 time=1620295455 user_id=57]Also their Hall was established in 2014.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Edgy MD wrote: Drugging your way off a first place team and then going to a cellar-dwellar, helping turn them around, getting clean, and leading them into a bitter rivalry against the team you drugged your way of can certainly leave something of a bad taste in the mouth for a while. Gary mentioned today how polite and tolerant he has found St. Louis fans to be. That hasn't been my experience.

My experience has been mixed in various St. Louisian visits.



First time at Busch II, I was on a biz trip and bought a single seat at the gate. Figured that being amongst the "Best Fans in Baseball" I'd encounter knowledgeable patrons with whom I could the discuss the game but the people around me were complete baseball illiterates. Coulda just been bad luck.



More recently at Busch III we had a very friendly stadium tour guide who was partisan and knowledgeable but great to talk to. Also encountered a butt-hurt usher who interrupted us trying to get the proper post-game victory photo, shooing us away. A better strategy would have been offering to take the pic for us but you could tell they too humilated to do so.



Spring Training in St. Petersburg back when we shared a facility-- no problems, good folks.



Online fans-- don't know they're racists, less smart than they think they are.



Visiting fans at Shea/Citi -- OK I guess. My cardinals-Mets at home stories are almost all big wins for the good guys.



Historically -- "pond scum." Does not reflect well

[Benjamin Grimm]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: My cardinals-Mets at home stories are almost all big wins for the good guys.

Wow, you've had better luck than I have. I was at both of the games we see below. Looking at them together, I see that they were both on September 11 (is that ever a good day?), both went ten innings, both were started by John Tudor and both were lost by Jesse Orosco.



But I was also at the Opening Day win in 1985, so there's that.



http://leaptoad.com/mets/scorecard_graph.php?game=3822&font=7>



http://leaptoad.com/mets/scorecard_graph.php?game=4162&font=7>

[whippoorwill]

Edgy MD wrote: 1920s Hollywood heartthrob Gilbert Roland, getting his Keith Hernandez on before the world had been blessed with the genuine article. https://metsrostercentral.files.wordpress.com/2021/03/roland.jpg>

Wow

[Benjamin Grimm]

Maybe Keith is an immortal vampire, like Nic Cage.