Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

[bmfc1]

Martino says that he will be back in some capacity as part of the Cohen regime:

https://sny.tv/articles/source-sandy-alderson-likely-to-return-to-mets-as-part-of-new-ownership-grouphttps://sny.tv/articles/source-sandy-alderson-likely-to-return-to-mets-as-part-of-new-ownership-group

Edited September 20, 2020 by Guest

[batmagadanleadoff]

I was actually thinking about this scenario. More like wishing, or hoping or dreaming. If true, this says a lot about what Sandy must really think of the Wilpons.

[vtmet7]

so the best thing for a team that is slow, unathletic and can't play defense...is to bring back the mastermind that thought that speed, athleticism and defense were unnecessary elements on a baseball team?

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

That's terrific news. Same guy who brought the Mets Zimmo, McNeil, Smith, Alonso, Peterson, Syndy etc conforto

[G-Fafif]

[Benjamin Grimm]

Wow! Cohen wants to hit the ground running. If he's approved there will be a LOT of moves this winter.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

wOw!

[Centerfield]

This year has obviously been shit, but if it ends with A vaccine, President Joe Biden, and Steve Cohen it will certainly dull the pain.



Imagine us at Citi next year, shoulder to shoulder, joyously cheering President Biden's first pitch to JT Realmuto.

[Centerfield]

And for the record, I've been critical of Sandy, probably more than most here. But most of that stemmed from my expectations of him and his willingness to be a mouthpiece for Wilpon garbage.



Obviously none of that is an issue anymore. I love Sandy as an executive and a person and am thrilled at this move.



It was never right that his last chapter with the Mets was that bullshit press conference.

[bmfc1]

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1309100933121560578https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1309100933121560578

[kcmets]

Sure beats Jennifer Lopez at the helm!! Seriously, splendid news.



Why wouldn't Cohen be confirmed or approved?

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

We've been over this a million times since Sandy first arrived but he was never a Fred-Jeff guy, except in the sense that Fred and Jeff do what the commish tells them to when they owe him $25 million. That's how he got here. We can probably find the thread where he arrived first and find that speculation

[ashie62]

=Centerfield post_id=47326 time=1600949480 user_id=65]
This year has obviously been shit, but if it ends with A vaccine, President Joe Biden, and Steve Cohen it will certainly dull the pain.



Imagine us at Citi next year, shoulder to shoulder, joyously cheering President Biden's first pitch to JT Realmuto.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: We've been over this a million times since Sandy first arrived but he was never a Fred-Jeff guy, except in the sense that Fred and Jeff do what the commish tells them to when they owe him $25 million. That's how he got here. We can probably find the thread where he arrived first and find that speculation

From October 2010: http://archives.thecranepool.net/14900/f1_t14972.shtmlYour New GM is Sandy Alderson

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Hmmm. Interesting. 10 years ago next month

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

So my theory was probably later than that but here's a good thread with lots of ejaculation: http://archives.thecranepool.net/14900/f1_t14982.shtmlhttp://archives.thecranepool.net/14900/f1_t14982.shtml

[Edgy MD]

=kcmets post_id=47329 time=1600950609 user_id=53]
Sure beats Jennifer Lopez at the helm!! Seriously, splendid news.



Why wouldn't Cohen be confirmed or approved?

[Fman99]

Imagine us at Citi next year, shoulder to shoulder, joyously cheering President Biden's first pitch to JT Realmuto.

This has replaced 48 internet porn videos as "the sexiest thing I saw on the Internet this week."

[kcmets]

Edgy MD wrote: There's a million reasons, not a few of them happening to do with criminal behavior.

Nah, he's already a minority owner. Do minority owners not go through some

approval thing. I have no idea. It's more likely the divisional owners wont vote

him in because they won't have Fred and Jeff to walk all over every year. haha

[Edgy MD]

There's still some vetting to be done. A lot of reporting suggested that the owners wanted Harris Blitzer to come out on top of the bidding, because they've already been vetted and approved by two other leagues.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Imagine us at Citi next year, shoulder to shoulder, joyously cheering President Biden's first pitch to JT Realmuto. This has replaced 48 internet porn videos as "the sexiest thing I saw on the Internet this week."

Show us 49 and 50 please

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Seriously the story of how rottenly the brass turned on Alderson is sort of lost in the annals of Wilponian treachery, but if you recall they answered his appointment of Mickey with the announcement that Sandy suddenly was surrounded by Fred-friendly veteran fuckups like Omar and further punting away any momentum by giving him nothing to work with but re-engaging guys he'd already let go like Bruce then couching Sandy's "firing" in a health story as if though they were doing him a favor.



Callaway made lots of mistakes but was basically left on his own out there, only to be replaced by another Omar/Brodie "big splash" that failed in Beltran, the Cano deal and now we're going to miss the playoffs in the easiest season ever to make the playoffs behind a bunch of Alderson gets having great years but no leadership.



This could be a 20-game swing with the same cast next year.

[kcmets]

Edgy MD wrote: There's still some vetting to be done.

The owners don't care or vet anything so long as you remain a good ol' boy.

[vtmet7]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Seriously the story of how rottenly the brass turned on Alderson is sort of lost in the annals of Wilponian treachery, but if you recall they answered his appointment of Mickey with the announcement that Sandy suddenly was surrounded by Fred-friendly veteran fuckups like Omar and further punting away any momentum by giving him nothing to work with but re-engaging guys he'd already let go like Bruce then couching Sandy's "firing" in a health story as if though they were doing him a favor. Callaway made lots of mistakes but was basically left on his own out there, only to be replaced by another Omar/Brodie "big splash" that failed in Beltran, the Cano deal and now we're going to miss the playoffs in the easiest season ever to make the playoffs behind a bunch of Alderson gets having great years but no leadership. This could be a 20-game swing with the same cast next year.

one "positive" in a negative season could be that at least they might be in a little better position to restock the farm system...I think that we'd currently be 10th in the draft, not great position but still not horrible position either...

[Frayed Knot]

Except that it's rare that one draft winds up turning a team around and rarer still that it does so in a short time period.

Nimmo was a 13th overall pick but that's coming up on ten years ago now (June 2011); Dom (7th overall) was back in 2013; Conforto (10) in 2014; and David Peterson (20) in 2017

And worse than those who take time before they start to blossom are those who don't work out at all: say Gavin Cecchini (12th in 2012) for instance.



Ironically, the quicker way to improve through the draft is often the less popular one: trading recent high picks for current players. Jerred Kelenic (6th, 2018) + Anthony Kay (31st, 2016) for

Cano & Diaz comes to mind. Not that those moves always work out either.

[smg58]

Alderson did undervalue defense, but he also took the job when nobody else wanted it and has a trip to the World Series to show for his efforts. He needs to bring in some younger guys who do value defense, or are at least working with a later version of Moneyball than 1.0, but he will have the resources to do so and he strikes me as somebody who is aware of his own limits.

[Frayed Knot]

If nothing else, this puts the team in the position of having a buffer between the owner and the GM and I'm not sure we've ever had a real one of those before.

Sandy gets to oversee things while somebody -- whether Brodie or not -- does the day to day GM stuff and that might be better at Sandy's age and with various health issues on his plate.

Sandy was, in a lot of ways, the father of analytics in MLB but I don't think his Mets teams were on the cutting edge of that anymore. Maybe that was things passing him by or maybe he

wanted to do more but was stymied from above. Or both could be true.

What we should watch for as things move forward is the kind of front office he and Cohen put together when this all becomes official. I already fear too many fans expecting (demanding) that

a Cohen ownership is going to immediately mean a ballooning payroll for their immediate gratification. But if Sandy can get backing to do what he thinks is necessary and is given the reins

to hire the right guys to implement things then we can stop this constant lurching back and forth between philosophies and reacting to last year's trends while the other teams are moving on

to the next new thing. THAT is going to be a bigger plus in the long run than just a gratuitous bump in payroll.







In other words, if they could, y'know, SHOW US THE PLAN!!!! that would be cool too.

[Benjamin Grimm]

My hope for the offseason is that they bring in a couple of starting pitchers, even better than Michael Wacha and Steven Matz, either through free agency or (maybe) by trading Amed Rosario. Extend Conforto. Sign Realmuto. (And if you can't sign him, sign Artificialmuto.) Maybe get a "natural" centerfielder. That should leave them pretty well positioned for now.

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: What we should watch for as things move forward is the kind of front office he and Cohen put together when this all becomes official. I already fear too many fans expecting (demanding) that a Cohen ownership is going to immediately mean a ballooning payroll for their immediate gratification. But if Sandy can get backing to do what he thinks is necessary and is given the reins to hire the right guys to implement things then we can stop this constant lurching back and forth between philosophies and reacting to last year's trends while the other teams are moving on to the next new thing. THAT is going to be a bigger plus in the long run than just a gratuitous bump in payroll.

Heard the sports reporter on WCBS radio say (I paraphrase) that the signing of Sandy will make the other owners feel the Mets won't go crazy with their spending on the free agent market.

Is that just to appease the other owners until after the vote, or, given that WCBS is the team's flagship station, is there some inside info on that?

Stay tuned.



Later

[Frayed Knot]

The other owners aren't going to approve or not approve Cohen based on what they think he might spend.



And speculating what Sandy will spend is silly.

He GM'd in Oakland where there was no money and for the Wilpons while they were deep in debt. Those are circumstances, not an unchangeable trend.