Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

So Cohen's alleged "outing" seems based on a dotted line to remarks that Samson had indeed made, several weeks ago and "on the record"--in a podcast. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/samson-why-steve-cohens-critical-tweets-wont-help-the-reeling-mets/https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/samson-why-steve-cohens-critical-tweets-wont-help-the-reeling-mets/



But that certainly doesn't mean that Puma got the same take from him; very more likely, Samson got the same take from the unnamed source who put it to the Puma.



This is the sad and sick residue of worshipping rich people who use Twitter as a Bully Pulpit and have no respect for the news media. This is a more insidious brand of shitty ownership than the Wilpons, whose primary crime was being incompetent but unaware of it.

[Ceetar]

The Mets as a whole haven't been particularly kind to the media for years, though Cohen clearly takes it to another level. Brodie was just more tight-lipped in general, basically refusing to give them anything, something Sandy seems to have continued in a way, which probably reflects on other less visible (Harold Kaufman?) front office members.





That said, of course, Puma publishing a random individual with, at best, tenuous ties to any active baseball employees is shaping the narrative, not reporting the narrative. It might as well have been a WFAN caller for all the weight it has. This was PUMA saying he thinks Cohen tweeting is unprofessional or whatever, and it comes off as nonsense gate-keeping, something that's already a huge problem for the Mets, and the media harassing them when they do anything outside of how they think it should be done is detrimental to getting a modern, innovative and diverse front office.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

This was PUMA saying he thinks Cohen tweeting is unprofessional or whatever, and it comes off as nonsense gate-keeping, something that's already a huge problem for the Mets, and the media harassing them when they do anything outside of how they think it should be done is detrimental to getting a modern, innovative and diverse front office.

No, it was his source that said that. The Puma was relaying an angle... which may or not play out... on a vital issue to the beat he covers.

[Ceetar]

not really. One idiot saying thing is not a vital issue unless the writer decides it is. Therefore, PUMA thinks it is. He's the one deciding it's a vital issue. Even if this random person reached out to him and was all "I need to complain about tweeting! how daft!" he could still say "why are you whining to me?". No, Puma likely reached out to contacts. It makes sense, if you're harping that story. It's also why Cohen guessed it was Samson, because it's someone who worked closely with owners, and is likely to have an opinion.



OPINION. Him saying so does NOT make it so. Puma thinking it is vital, does NOT make it so. Whether or not Cohen is a dingbat is irrelevant to whether or not the media or discarded former front office folk should be policing how he conducts himself.



Especially not the guy who got reprimanded for making fat jokes about the players he covers.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

[Oh Jesus. Let's get on board with this much first: The "vital issue" I referenced is the forthcoming appointment of the next leadership team.



The "angle" on that is this source's remarks.



The messenger who frames up the former through the perspective of the latter is Puma,. All any of us ought to know about what he "thinks" might be,, he's a guy with a job to do,, because he presumably has a family and a mortgage,, and his job requires him to attach a vital issues to an angle, over and over and over again.



I wish our fun and insightful discussion of the story of baseball we discuss here everyday was not continually corrupted by ignorance as to the role of news media or its process in helping us understand it. We have had the same argument a hundred times here..

[Edgy MD]

If we need a source to say that Cohen's tweets are counterproductive and embarrassing, I'm happy to be that guy. Heck, I'll even put my name on the record.



I've expressed my doubts about the notion that it will steer good candidates away from the organization, but I'm more concerned whether the organization will be attracted to good candidates.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: If we need a source to say that Cohen's tweets are counterproductive and embarrassing, I'm happy to be that guy. Heck, I'll even put my name on the record.

well you're not up for a job, and neither is Samson, or likely whoever made the statements. The Mets haven't been particularly forthcoming about who they're searching for, and have bristled at the idea of having a better hiring process, so we don't even really know WHO would potentially be turned away. Which is part of my point. For instance, I can rant about how I wouldn't work for Amazon given how Bezos behaves and the reputation the company has, but if they're not actually considering me and have plenty of people to hire, what does it matter what I think? Also I'd totally cave for the right package. So the statement becomes extra meaningless, because it might not even really be true. See also: vaccine mandates for employers.

I've expressed my doubts about the notion that it will steer good candidates away from the organization, but I'm more concerned whether the organization will be attracted to good candidates.

Same. 'good' is a little bit of a variable even, and they haven't yet even shown that they're even going to go as far as not hire guys your employees tell them is a creep.

[Ceetar]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I wish our fun and insightful discussion of the story of baseball we discuss here everyday was not continually corrupted by ignorance as to the role of news media or its process in helping us understand it. We have had the same argument a hundred times here..

It's not ignorance, it's disagreement as to what that role is, or should be, and not continually just accepting it as it's been for decades.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

Cohen's response turned what would have been a one-day issue in a Puma column into a multi-day issue with other outlets covering it. I can definitely see how that might give a potential executive pause. He should have ignored it. Rookie mistake, and I hope he is learning from these.



I don't have a problem with Puma writing the column, but I do think he and his sports opinion brethren grossly overuse anonymous sources. It would have been a stronger, more credible column with someone talking on the record.



The team's not going to say who it has in mind if those potential targets are working somewhere else at the present time.

[Fman99]

I'm so lost. How does a puma send a tweet? They don't have any thumbs.



They are all just dull bastards staring at their phones all day, same as everyone. Read a book, fellas. Feed your mind something besides memes and twitchy people in video clips.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=78075 time=1631904396 user_id=119]
Cohen's response turned what would have been a one-day issue in a Puma column into a multi-day issue with other outlets covering it. I can definitely see how that might give a potential executive pause. He should have ignored it. Rookie mistake, and I hope he is learning from these.



I don't have a problem with Puma writing the column, but I do think he and his sports opinion brethren grossly overuse anonymous sources. It would have been a stronger, more credible column with someone talking on the record.



The team's not going to say who it has in mind if those potential targets are working somewhere else at the present time.

[whippoorwill]

I just typed a long post and got logged out





Pissed

[Edgy MD]

I'm certain that I don't need to be informed by you whether or not I'm up for a particular job, ceetar.



I promise you that I had no intention of provoking.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=78075 time=1631904396 user_id=119]
Cohen's response turned what would have been a one-day issue in a Puma column into a multi-day issue with other outlets covering it. I can definitely see how that might give a potential executive pause. He should have ignored it. Rookie mistake, and I hope he is learning from these.



I don't have a problem with Puma writing the column, but I do think he and his sports opinion brethren grossly overuse anonymous sources. It would have been a stronger, more credible column with someone talking on the record.



The team's not going to say who it has in mind if those potential targets are working somewhere else at the present time.

[Ceetar]

you know what probably gives quite few people pause on working with the Mets? SEXUAL HARASSMENT.



but sure, he sent a bitchy tweet, that's the story.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: =Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=78075 time=1631904396 user_id=119] Cohen's response turned what would have been a one-day issue in a Puma column into a multi-day issue with other outlets covering it. I can definitely see how that might give a potential executive pause. He should have ignored it. Rookie mistake, and I hope he is learning from these. I don't have a problem with Puma writing the column, but I do think he and his sports opinion brethren grossly overuse anonymous sources. It would have been a stronger, more credible column with someone talking on the record. The team's not going to say who it has in mind if those potential targets are working somewhere else at the present time.

It wasn't an opinion column! Jeez louise.