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Marisnick is not a very good hitter, though I hear he's a terrific fielder.



If given the choice, I would have preferred Kevin Pillar.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Marisnickhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Marisnick

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=11339&position=OFhttps://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=11339&position=OF

Negative WAR for hitting, positive WAR for fielding.

https://twitter.com/SlangsOnSports/status/1202621386155577344https://twitter.com/SlangsOnSports/status/1202621386155577344


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Hey, it's business as usual in free agency for the BINO (Big Market team in Name Only). We get Marisnick, lose Wheeler and, of course, pass on Cole because we're not allowed to sign the very best players. And Michael Cohen might be, oh my, worse than the Wilpons.


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That's right. Taylor has bad career numbers, but maybe figured it out in 2019. 2.16 ERA, 1.095 WHIP over three levels. Walks a lot, but strikes out a lot too. Was just protected for the Rule 5, so not a throw away pick. I don't know Kennedy Corona.


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=Centerfield post_id=27739 time=1575563601 user_id=65]
Blake Taylor is a hard throwing lefty reliever no? Why give up anyone if Pillar is available for just money?

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Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

So Lagares for Lagares and 2 minor leaguers.



Actually Marisnick is like a premium-tier Lagares the "]
Hey, it's business as usual in free agency for the BINO (Big Market team in Name Only). We get Marisnick, lose Wheeler and, of course, pass on Cole because we're not allowed to sign the very best players. And Michael Cohen might be, oh my, worse than the Wilpons.




We're going to be seeing a lot of each other this off-season, aren't we, Running Gag?


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Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

So Lagares for Lagares and 2 minor leaguers.



Actually Marisnick is like a premium-tier Lagares the "]
Hey, it's business as usual in free agency for the BINO (Big Market team in Name Only). We get Marisnick, lose Wheeler and, of course, pass on Cole because we're not allowed to sign the very best players. And Michael Cohen might be, oh my, worse than the Wilpons.




We're going to be seeing a lot of each other this off-season, aren't we, Running Gag?


As long as the Wilpons continue to Wilpon.


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=Ceetar post_id=27758 time=1575567376 user_id=102]
go ahead, derail the baseball talk with nonsense ownership bathering.



This was a reasonable move for a reasonable 5th OFer.

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Vic Sage wrote:

Gilkey hit well for the mets.


Gilkey had but one good year for the Mets. Granted, it was a tremendously good one good year. But he sucked after that. Like, really sucked. Thus, the Lagares comparison.


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Vic Sage wrote:

Lagares never hit; Gilkey did.


The point I was making was about players still getting playing time past their expiration dates. Lagares hasn't fielded like he did in his GG days for a while now. And Gilkey sucked other than in '96.


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=batmagadanleadoff post_id=27763 time=1575568201 user_id=68]
=Ceetar post_id=27758 time=1575567376 user_id=102]
go ahead, derail the baseball talk with nonsense ownership bathering.



This was a reasonable move for a reasonable 5th OFer.

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Gilkey had one of the best seasons in Mets history, then played poorly for 1.5 years after that before going to AZ. Players do sometimes get to play after they've stopped being productive because they were productive at one time. Lagares, however, is an example of a guy who got time even though he was NEVER productive. He had a mediocre season (OPS+102) and won a GG in his 2nd year. He then went on to play parts of 5 more years without even achieving mediocrity. The 2 cases are not analogous. There are few cases analogous to Lagares, who was given a long-term deal because of potential that never developed, yet they kept running him out there.


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Vic Sage wrote:

Gilkey had one of the best seasons in Mets history, then played poorly for 1.5 years after that before going to AZ. Players do sometimes get to play after they've stopped being productive because they were productive at one time. Lagares, however, is an example of a guy who got time even though he was NEVER productive. He had a mediocre season (OPS+102) and won a GG in his 2nd year. He then went on to play parts of 5 more years without even achieving mediocrity. The 2 cases are not analogous. There are few cases analogous to Lagares, who was given a long-term deal because of potential that never developed, yet they kept running him out there.


I totally agree with your analysis and I even recognized it as I was making the Gilkey analogy in the earlier Lagares post. I made the analogy anyway because to this day, Gilkey's bad Met years still resonate powerfully with me. I remember clamoring really bad for Gilkey's playing time to be reduced as he was sucking in real time. But I get it. Gilkey deserved and got the benefit of the doubt because his 1996 season was too damn good and not so far removed from his decline. And a manager in that situation has the right to believe it's just a temporary slump.


MFS62 First Round Pick

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Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

Hey it's a right handed hitting centerfield flycatcher who doesn't hit that great


He is a "never was" who will never be even a "might be".

But I guess for the near term, you need a center fielder or (to paraphrase Casey Stengel) "You're gonna' give up a lot of triples".

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