Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

[Benjamin Grimm]

Jon Heyman wrote: Marlins heard from 14 teams regarding star C JT Realmuto this winter, including 3 in division (all but Nats, who tried hardest last year). From Mets, top 2 targets would be Brandon Nimmo and Amed Rosario. Braves less likely since have Flowers/McCann, r targeting an OF, pitchers.

Mike Puma wrote: Hearing it’s unlikely the Mets would put Michael Conforto in any potential deal for J.T. Realmuto.

[smg58]

I would not trade four years of Nimmo for two of Realmuto. Rosario is trickier; his upside is still high, but last year’s production from him wouldn’t be that hard to replace.

[ashie62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: This is all just wild speculation, but I would hope they wouldn't trade Rosario until they had locked down his replacement.

Would prospect Andres Gimenez be Rosario's replacement?

[Edgy MD]

It could be. The team has a lotta shortstops in the pipeline, but trading the one that's farthest along means that much more time waiting on develpment.

[seawolf17]

You *could* bring back Asdrubal for a year or two as a stopgap/mentor for Gimenez...

I could absolutely be talked into Rosario for Realmuto.

[metirish]

BVW could be overly aggressive ? I think Rosario is going to come really good and I like his attitude etc, would not want to see him gone.

[Centerfield]

Realmuto has surpassed an .800 OPS exactly once.

He’s a nice hitter, but not a difference maker. Just keep our young guys and sign Ramos.

[Centerfield]

And tell the Marlins to get the fuck outta here with that Nimmo talk. Nimmo is already a better hitter, younger and more years of control.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Mike Puma wrote: ...the two sides remained far apart on Tuesday, according to an industry source, based largely on the Mets’ reluctance to include Michael Conforto in a deal. The Mets appear willing to use Brandon Nimmo as the centerpiece for the trade, but that likely would not be enough to get Realmuto. The Mets could also look to use Amed Rosario in a deal.

What could be holding up Mets’ pursuit of J.T. Realmuto

I'd rather they just signed Ramos or Grandal.

[Frayed Knot]

metirish wrote: BVW could be overly aggressive ? I think Rosario is going to come really good and I like his attitude etc, would not want to see him gone.

Yup!

[Centerfield]

I'm so fucking pissed at the Mets.

Since when did "aggressive" become an acceptable justification of stupid moves?

Realmuto is a nice hitter, but not a middle of the order threat. Conforto and Nimmo are better hitters. Trading for Realmuto makes us worse. Now sure, corner outfielders are easier to find than catchers, but they still cost money.

If you trade Nimmo, or Conforto, or Rosario, you have to make that up someplace. That costs money.

Why not just sign a catcher?

[Benjamin Grimm]

I get the feeling that Brodie is thinking, "Wow! Trading is fun!"

[smg58]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I get the feeling that Brodie is thinking, "Wow! Trading is fun!"

I think up a lot of WATPs in my head that I know are ridiculous, so I don't bother mentioning them. He actually made one of his happen. On some level, I give him credit. But I'd rather he play mad scientist with somebody else's favorite team.

[seawolf17]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I get the feeling that Brodie is thinking, "Wow! Trading is fun!"

That sounds like me every time I start a new OOTP league, just blasting trades all over the place for the heck of it.

[Lefty Specialist]

Centerfield wrote: I'm so fucking pissed at the Mets. Since when did "aggressive" become an acceptable justification of stupid moves? Realmuto is a nice hitter, but not a middle of the order threat. Conforto and Nimmo are better hitters. Trading for Realmuto makes us worse. Now sure, corner outfielders are easier to find than catchers, but they still cost money. If you trade Nimmo, or Conforto, or Rosario, you have to make that up someplace. That costs money. Why not just sign a catcher?

This. I'd rather sign Grandal. Marlins are doing everything they can to pump up the Realmuto market (including saying "Oh, we couldn't possibly trade him within the division!), and I'd rather that BVW not play their game.

Edited December 5, 2018 by Guest

[Guest 41Forever]

Did they actually make a trade, or is this all based on an unsourced Mike Puma article about trade discussions? I'd rather they not trade Conforto or Nimmo or even Rosario, but I'll not get outraged until something actually happens.

This could all be a bunch of trial balloons, including stuff put out there by the Marlins.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I (mostly) agree with that. There's no harm in talking to the Marlins. In fact, they should talk to the Marlins. But the part about them being "aggressive" in their pursuit of Realmuto is concerning. They need to back off if the price is too high. The reports indicate that Miami asked for Conforto and the Mets said no. If that's true, and if it holds up, it will at least tell us that the Mets aren't fully casting caution to the winds.

[seawolf17]

Nimmo and Conforto should be virtually untouchable, I'd hope. (As should the four starters, more or less.)

[A Boy Named Seo]

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Yeah this is another potential trade I hate. Tell the Marlins to fuck off, and go buy Grandal.

[seawolf17]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1070366674740830208[/tweet] Yeah this is another potential trade I hate. Tell the Marlins to fuck off, and go buy Grandal.

Hey Marlins - Seth Lugo or GTFO.

[Guest 41Forever]

Would make more sense to send them back a catcher in the package. Nido or Plawecki and we keep Travis as back up? Send them Travis and we keep Plaw as the backup? Do the Marlins have some hot catching prospect that is pushing JT? (Other that Jeter’s goal of shedding salary and tearing down?

[Benjamin Grimm]

It's possible that someone like Plawecki would be part of a package for Realmuto, but I'm sure it would be in addition to a Nimmo, not instead of.

Would Plawecki and Lugo get it done? I really doubt it.

[A Boy Named Seo]

These guys looking to trade for a catcher (instead of signing Grandal) and their apparent willingness to discuss Nimmo or Conforto sure leads me to believe the AJ Pollock love is real. Truth be told, I'm pretty sure I'd rather have Nimmo, Conforto, and Grandal then 31-year old oft-injured Pollock and Realmuto.

[Benjamin Grimm]

The rumors are that they're willing to discuss Nimmo but not Conforto.

[Centerfield]

Nimmo is a better hitter than Realmuto. He's younger, cheaper, has more years of control, and has the potential to improve even further.

In all likelihood, it would cost more than just Nimmo, and you'd lose the prospects too. So the team would get worse, older, more expensive, and hurt the farm system further.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I agree, but to look at it from another angle, Realmuto plays a position that's quite a bit harder to fill. If I were dealing Nimmo for Realmuto, I would try to get a negotiating window to ensure that JT would be locked down for more than two years.

[Centerfield]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I agree, but to look at it from another angle, Realmuto plays a position that's quite a bit harder to fill. If I were dealing Nimmo for Realmuto, I would try to get a negotiating window to ensure that JT would be locked down for more than two years.

Yes. It's harder to find good production at catcher. But not this year. Grandal is a better hitter, is only 30, and costs only money and a second round pick. Ramos is 31, but also a good hitter, and costs only money. Not even compensation for Ramos.

The difference between Realmuto and Grandal/Ramos is not enough to justify losing Rosario, or Nimmo or Conforto, or some combination of them.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I definitely agree with that.

[Fman99]

Centerfield wrote: The difference between Realmuto and Grandal/Ramos is not enough to justify losing Rosario, or Nimmo or Conforto, or some combination of them.

This

[A Boy Named Seo]

Fman99 wrote: Centerfield wrote: The difference between Realmuto and Grandal/Ramos is not enough to justify losing Rosario, or Nimmo or Conforto, or some combination of them. This

I concur. Motion carried.