Hustle over here and talk about Manny Machado

[Ceetar]

Machado is about as perfect a fit as you can get. the Mets need an infielder. He's awesome. He's young.

Plus if he's on the Mets there's no risk he becomes a Philly and steps on Alonso's foot.

Does he get Stanton money? Or is comparing anything the the absurd way the Marlins operate worthless?

Cano money? somewhere inbetween?

9/270? multiple opt outs?

[Lefty Specialist]

He gets Yankee money.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I'd ask what it takes to make him our 3rd baseman.

[batmagadanleadoff]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'd ask what it takes to make him our 3rd baseman.

A buyout of the Wilpons.

[seawolf17]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'd ask what it takes to make him our 3rd baseman.

I agree with this, sort of. I think you have to kick the tires on him. As much as I hate to commit ten years and a bajillion dollars to anyone...

[Lefty Specialist]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'd ask what it takes to make him our 3rd baseman. A buyout of the Wilpons.

Bazinga!

[Centerfield]

It's tough to talk about guys like Machado, or Harper, or Keuchel or anyone else really until we get an idea of how aggressively the Mets will spend. If it's the same old story, forget it. It'll be a couple of re-treads and a whole lot of excuse making and wishful thinking.

But if the Mets are serious about contending, and Brodie is able to get the Wilpons to open it up, then yes, you have to talk to Machado.

I said in the postseason threads that I have my reservations about Machado. I get that he's good. But he's not likeable. But that's just me. I could get over it I imagine.

[Ceetar]

They spent what, like 30 million last season?

Anyway, It's not really tough to talk about him. You just do. Last offseason we multi-page threads discussion guys that were only connected to the Mets by some random writer musing that it'd be a good fit. This is more realistic than most of the names that will surface.

[Guest sharpie]

Todd Frazier is/was one of BVW's clients. Would be interesting to see if he would jettison Todd in the interest of signing Manny.

Machado seems like a total jerk but I'd love it if he were my jerk.

[Ceetar]

sharpie wrote: Todd Frazier is/was one of BVW's clients. Would be interesting to see if he would jettison Todd in the interest of signing Manny. Machado seems like a total jerk but I'd love it if he were my jerk.

He seems well regarded by teammates, which is probably more important than how we feel about him.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Centerfield wrote: But if the Mets are serious about contending, and Brodie is able to get the Wilpons to open it up, then yes, you have to talk to Machado.

And how does BVW do that without knowing how much money he has to work with? How much deGrom and Syndergaard will make? How much deGrom and Syndergaard will make if either or both of their contracts are reworked? How the hell can BVW do anything contract related or any kind of global budget planning and managing if he's supporting to (wink wink) recuse himself from any contract negotiations with his ex clients? The whole thing is asinine and the Mets explanation is fucking insulting. Not that this is my problem.

[Guest 41Forever]

sharpie wrote: Todd Frazier is/was one of BVW's clients. Would be interesting to see if he would jettison Todd in the interest of signing Manny. Machado seems like a total jerk but I'd love it if he were my jerk.

If the guy won't hustle in the World Series, what is he gonna do in a May series against the Pirates? Seems like if he is one of those guys that we invest $100 million in and he becomes a headcase, it will hurt the team for years. Certainly a high risk, high reward, because he sure can mash. And if he'll play third, he fills a big hole.

Similar questions about Bryce Harper dogging it.

[Ceetar]

41Forever wrote: sharpie wrote: Todd Frazier is/was one of BVW's clients. Would be interesting to see if he would jettison Todd in the interest of signing Manny. Machado seems like a total jerk but I'd love it if he were my jerk. If the guy won't hustle in the World Series, what is he gonna do in a May series against the Pirates? Seems like if he is one of those guys that we invest $100 million in and he becomes a headcase, it will hurt the team for years. Certainly a high risk, high reward, because he sure can mash. And if he'll play third, he fills a big hole. Similar questions about Bryce Harper dogging it.

He's put up the 13th most fWAR, averaging 5 a year, while supposedly 'dogging it'. So, that's probably what he would do in a May series against the Pirates. Mash.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Dating myself twice in one day, "You're (Mets) always window
shopping but never stop in to buy."...

[smg58]

I'd offer 8 and 280, and expect to be outbid.

[Mex17]

OK, let's assume for a moment that Manny is coming to the Mets (huge assumption, but let's go with it for a moment).

Which out of the following two scenarios makes for a better team?

-Manny at third
-Rosario at short
-Frazier on the bench
-Grandal or Ramos catching
-Adam Jones or McCutchen in the outfield

or

-Manny at short
-Rosario in Miami
-Realmuto catching
-Frazier at third
-Lagares in centerfield

[bmfc1]

If Machado insists on playing SS then the Mets might not be interested. If Machado insists on making money regardless of the position then the Mets might try. Imagine if he was the 3B next year and how good the Mets would look going into the season.

Frazier would back up 3B (of course), 1B and they could have this conversation: "Todd, why don't you take a few fly balls in LF?" "Brodie, I've never played LF." "Remember when you told me how important it was for you to play in New York so you could be with your kids? I can trade you to Texas if you'd like." "Let me get a bigger glove for the outfield."

[smg58]

I'm assuming Machado wanted to play short this year to add to his potential suitors, and will not insist on it if it means turning down the best offer. And if he wants to get off on the wrong foot with the team who's paying him at least a quarter of a billion by dictating who gets displaced by him, especially after his attitude issues this past month, I'm backing off.

Frazier is quite dealable. Fangraphs had him worth $11M this past season, which is more than his salary, and he's a decent bounceback candidate. Finding somebody willing to take a gamble on a year of him would not be hard.

[Mex17]

bmfc1 wrote: If Machado insists on playing SS then the Mets might not be interested.

If that was the only holdup then the Mets would be idiots to walk away. Rosario would be a perfect trade chip to dangle in front of Jeter in order to get Realmuto.

If BVW is smart he should already be starting the process of gauging what Miami might want for the catcher and leveraging that information against his FA shopping list. I cannot imagine that Jeter would turn his nose up at a talented shortstop with five years of team control left.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Joel Sherman says that we shouldn't rule out the possibility. I agree. I really don't expect Manny to be a Met, but Brodie has the confidence of the Wilpons, and maybe he can charm them into spending. Omar did it after 2004. Maybe it can happen again.

Maybe.

Of course, the knee jerk will be the Wilpons are not paying for Machado, but think about the argument before dismissing it:

Why Manny Machado to the Mets shouldn’t be dismissed

The Mets currently have zero dollars invested in the 2021 payroll. Zero. They can extend deGrom, sign Machado and still have plenty left for the organic pay raises that will be due Conforto, Nimmo, Syndergaard, etc.

[Centerfield]

It’s a good article.

I don’t think I’m convinced, but it made me think.

I did like the part about picking a lane. It validates exactly what we have been saying. If Brodie is in that camp, then he might just go down this route.

If he doesn’t, we’ll know he’s full of shit.

And that’s not to mean we have to get Machado, but if he’s going for it, then commit to going for it.

[Mex17]

Joel Sherman says that we shouldn't rule out the possibility. I agree. I really don't expect Manny to be a Met, but Brodie has the confidence of the Wilpons, and maybe he can charm them into spending. Omar did it after 2004. Maybe it can happen again. Maybe. Of course, the knee jerk will be the Wilpons are not paying for Machado, but think about the argument before dismissing it: Why Manny Machado to the Mets shouldn’t be dismissed The Mets currently have zero dollars invested in the 2021 payroll. Zero. They can extend deGrom, sign Machado and still have plenty left for the organic pay raises that will be due Conforto, Nimmo, Syndergaard, etc.

I think that BVW is going to be aggressive.

[Fman99]

I don't see it. I think we get the cyborg 10 cents on the dollar equivalent. Because the Wilpons suck ass.

[Mex17]

Fman99 wrote: I don't see it. I think we get the cyborg 10 cents on the dollar equivalent. Because the Wilpons suck ass.

I hear ya. For years, my emotionally based optimism that they would do the right thing blinded me from the intellectually looking at the facts. But now, it almost seems like the opposite. I now possess emotionally based skepticism, but the intellctual side is telling me that there may have been some sort of paradigm shift here.

[Mex17]

If they slow walk Cespedes's rehab for the entire season and treat the insurance payout as money that can be reinvested into the payroll, that essentially pays Machado for 2019. In 2020 $32 million comes off the books between Frazier, Lagares, Vargas, and Swarzak. I'm not even counting Wright in on this because I really don't know what the buyout situation is going to look like or if they are just going to take the insurance payout for two more years.

I also think that Machado probably cost himself somewhere between 5-10% of his previous projected earnings due to his performance on and off the field during the month of October.

This is financially possible.

[smg58]

Mex17 wrote: If they slow walk Cespedes's rehab for the entire season and treat the insurance payout as money that can be reinvested into the payroll, that essentially pays Machado for 2019.

Well right now Cespedes is on schedule to resume baseball activities other than running in February. Things would have to turn seriously south for him to play no role at all this season, and since he qualifies as a potentially difference-making right-handed bat that we need, I'm not sure why we would want that outcome.

[Edgy MD]

I'm not sure that's going to be particularly do-able.

[Ceetar]

Even if they decide they can and will afford Machado, there's still 29 other reasons why they might not get him.

[ashie62]

Isn't Machado kind of a dog who has torn up one knee already. No thanks

[Ceetar]

Ashie62 wrote: Isn't Machado kind of a dog who has torn up one knee already. No thanks

No