Gwreck

Point of order: it was the Saturday NYY game that was moved to the doubleheader today. Apparently there is some consideration being given to moving the Sunday Boston/Cubs game to Tampa. If rain is an issue on Sunday, the BAL/NYY game can just be cancelled as irrelevant.

Dillon Gee? He started once on opening day. I couldn’t tell you where he went after the Mets but I could believe it was Texas.

We’re running out of Mets opening day starters here. Umm…Mike Pelfrey? He played for the Twins, the Tigers…he could’ve been a mid-2010s Ranger too?

Nimmo discussed the no trade clause a little in a pregame interview with Steve Gelbs earlier this week. He used the analogy of divorce: if one partner says they want a divorce, it’s hard to come back and say no, we should stay together.

Noah Syndergaard? He bounced to a couple AL teams at the end I think.

Jesse Orosco? He had to have played a lot of places, what with his career games pitched record.

McNeil was clearly declining. His OPS dropped from .836 in .2022 to .692 in 2024 and his 2025 was a bounceback but not dramatically so. His best skill, slapping the ball around the shift, was sapped by the rule change. Projecting for 2026 only (because there was never any chance the Mets would exercise the option on him), it was perfectly reasonable to expect that Semien would have a better season than McNeil. (In hindsight: it’s not dramatically different, although Semien’s disastrous decline in defense makes him slightly worse). In a world in which the Mets never make the Nimmo for Semien trade, they still have every reason to trade McNeil, whether to open a spot for Baty to play everyday or because they trade for Brandon Lowe or whatever other move they make, or even just because the rumor is true it that McNeil was an asshole and problem in the clubhouse.

Trevor Williams? He had a decent season-and-half with the Mets, maybe he had more than 3 WAR ?

They’re bad moves but that’s no excuse for bad math. You can’t count the McNeil money as a new cost (since it was already sunk); and in fact dropping some was actually a savings as discussed. Nor is it correct to add money associated with the Nimmo deal when the trade was a net savings.

R.A. Dickey

Scherzer should have put up about 7 WAR in his season and a half with the Mets.

Shouldn’t deGrom be #1?

Matlack too. Forgot about him.

They all played for the Mets and the Rangers…but there are many other players who also fit in that group. They are the 5 non-active players with the highest Mets WAR who also played for the Rangers?

Pache has been on the roster since the beginning of August! Admittedly with only 8 plate appearances so it’s been hard to notice. That roster spot is a bit of a mystery. They clearly don’t need Pache in that spot, but it’s not as if he’s getting any playing time of note. And the Mets haven’t demonstrated any interest in evaluating hitting prospects at the major league level (like, say, a Ronny Mauricio).

I can easily accept that either or both of these things happened since the time that Green made his comment about not being interested: (1) He realized how much he enjoyed managing again and changed his mind about his interest level (2) His daughters/wife told him that while they love having him around, they're in their senior year of high school and he shouldn't pass up a chance to manage a major league team in order to be around a little bit more for a couple months -- and which he might not miss anyway if there's a lockout.

A lot of different points being discussed here...some I agree with, some not so much. I don't know who those people are who want to blow up divisions but I'm in fierce disagreement with that. The "middle course" you reference here is what was referencing above. Because this year it is meaningful, with the Yankees clearly the second-best team in the league (and Boston the third-best). A quick check of standings from the last 5 years (i.e., the time since MLB went to 12 teams in the playoffs), this will be the 4th time that a team with the #4 seed actually has the second-best record in its league, better than each of the two other division winners. I don't see the support for linking the results to increased interleague play. If anything, now that each team is playing almost the identical interleague schedule (with only a 3 game difference) it is essentially a constant. Previously, the interleague play could skew results. Imagine the 2026 season with the NL East teams playing the AL East teams in interleague (a big disadvantage versus the other divisions).

The Mets are 37-38 under Green. Is that even a “dead cat bounce” (?)

Did not see this coming because (1) Green seemed to be pretty clear that he didn’t want to be a full time manager; and (2) I was expecting an open search process after the season ended. In fairness, maybe that did happen to some degree —- presumably some of the most frequently-mentioned candidates were already available to be interviewed — (e.g., Cora, Beltran).

I just realized the McNeil deal wasn’t on any list. McNeil was replacement-level this year (slightly better offensively and slightly worse defensively than Semien), and the Mets saved $10M by sending him to Oakland…so this move is “neutral?” (I suppose it’s tough to look at the deal in a vacuum. If the Mets had not traded Nimmo for Semien…and still shipped out McNeil…and thus played Baty everyday at third (with Bichette at second) things would have been slightly better on the whole, at least from a defensive perspective.)

I think you are misreading that. A Thursday afternoon game between the Rangers and Mets is not a Peacock exclusive. It’ll be on SNY as usual. It might also be on Peacock if you’re not in the NY or Dallas markets.

The problem is that all of the things that you listed that worked are associated with players who were already in the organization before this year. Even Green was already in the fold. And once we start examining the things that went well from players already in the organization, it’s only fair to also note the stalled/backsliding development of Baty, Vientos, Alvarez, Mauricio, Clifford, Tong, Wenninger, etc.

Tommy Pham and MJ Melendez also go in the “went bad” category. Tauchman is a tough add there. He was a depth piece and had a freak injury; it happens. Luis Robert is not necessarily a move that “went bad.” It’s more fairly described as a move that went “as expected.” 2026 was remarkably similar to how he had played the prior two years in Chicago. And of course Acuna has not been good. Resigning Jared Young goes in the “moves that worked” column.

Boston has clinched a playoff spot. They cannot catch the Yankees for the #4 seed. Thus they are now incentivized to lose every remaining game because (a) they can’t improve their seeding; (b) they could improve their draft position with a lesser record; and (c) if they lose enough, they could fall to the #6 seed and would not face the Yankees in the wild card series (nor Tampa in the Division Series). Also complicating things is that their series against the Cubs this weekend (a) is very likely to matter a lot to the Cubs; and (b) could be disrupted by bad weather in Boston.

That seems…unlikely. Where are you getting this information from?