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Burnett is a great guess but he hadn't yet made the majors when the Mets traded him to Florida for Leiter. Dotel is 15.2 WAR for the career. Mookie is correct and one of the easier ones left on the board. [th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Tom Seaver[/td][td]109.9[/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]81.3[/td][td]Jerry Koosman[/td][td]53.7[/td][td]Dwight Gooden[/td][td]53.0[/td][td]David Wright[/td][td]49.1[/td][td]Jacob deGrom[/td][td]47.9[/td][td]Amos Otis[/td][td]42.8[/td][td]Lenny Dykstra[/td][td]42.4[/td][td]Darryl Strawberry[/td][td]42.2[/td][td]Ken Singleton[/td][td]41.8[/td][td]Zack Wheeler[/td][td]40.2[/td][td]Jon Matlack[/td][td]39.4[/td][td]Jose Reyes[/td][td]37.0[/td][td]Ron Hunt[/td][td]32.7[/td][td]Kevin Mitchell[/td][td]29.2[/td][td][/td][td]29.2[/td][td][/td][td]28.8[/td][td]Melvin Mora[/td][td]28.3[/td][td][/td][td]26.1[/td][td]Pete Alonso[/td][td]23.3[/td][td]Jesse Orosco[/td][td]23.2[/td][td][/td][td]23.0[/td][td]Mike Scott[/td][td]22.7[/td][td]Mookie Wilson[/td][td]22.4[/td][td]Marco Scutaro[/td][td]22.1[/td][td]Rick Aguilera[/td][td]21.9[/td][td]Tug McGraw[/td][td]21.8[/td][td]Dave Magadan[/td][td]21.1[/td][td]Daniel Murphy[/td][td]20.8[/td][td]Buddy Harrelson[/td][td]20.3[/td]

Only 13 WAR for Isringhausen. 5 answers left: 4 that I would categorize as on the easier/more obvious side, and one that’s extremely hard.

Not on this list: -Lee Mazzilli (possibly controversial take, from another thread: he just wasn’t very good; 15.3 career WAR) -Jeromy Burnitz (just missed, 19.9 career WAR) -Jeff Reardon, 18.6 WAR -Cleon Jones, 18.0 WAR -Hubie Brooks, 13.0 WAR -Tim Foli, 5.7 WAR [th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Tom Seaver[/td][td]109.9[/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]81.3[/td][td]Jerry Koosman[/td][td]53.7[/td][td]Dwight Gooden[/td][td]53.0[/td][td]David Wright[/td][td]49.1[/td][td]Jacob deGrom[/td][td]47.9[/td][td]Amos Otis[/td][td]42.8[/td][td]Lenny Dykstra[/td][td]42.4[/td][td]Darryl Strawberry[/td][td]42.2[/td][td]Ken Singleton[/td][td]41.8[/td][td]Zack Wheeler[/td][td]40.2[/td][td]Jon Matlack[/td][td]39.4[/td][td]Jose Reyes[/td][td]37.0[/td][td]Ron Hunt[/td][td]32.7[/td][td]Kevin Mitchell[/td][td]29.2[/td][td][/td][td]29.2[/td][td][/td][td]28.8[/td][td]Melvin Mora[/td][td]28.3[/td][td][/td][td]26.1[/td][td]Pete Alonso[/td][td]23.3[/td][td]Jesse Orosco[/td][td]23.2[/td][td][/td][td]23.0[/td][td]Mike Scott[/td][td]22.7[/td][td][/td][td]22.4[/td][td]Marco Scutaro[/td][td]22.1[/td][td]Rick Aguilera[/td][td]21.9[/td][td]Tug McGraw[/td][td]21.8[/td][td]Dave Magadan[/td][td]21.1[/td][td]Daniel Murphy[/td][td]20.8[/td][td]Buddy Harrelson[/td][td]20.3[/td]

Well, only one is correct. Sid didn’t debut as a Met, and Ronnie didn’t make the list.

The judges are construing Edgy’s guess as the guy on the left, who I think is Daniel Murphy (??) and not the guy on the right, who I doubt is on the list. [th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Tom Seaver[/td][td]109.9[/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]81.3[/td][td]Jerry Koosman[/td][td]53.7[/td][td]Dwight Gooden[/td][td]53.0[/td][td]David Wright[/td][td]49.1[/td][td]Jacob deGrom[/td][td]47.9[/td][td]Amos Otis[/td][td]42.8[/td][td]Lenny Dykstra[/td][td]42.4[/td][td]Darryl Strawberry[/td][td]42.2[/td][td]Ken Singleton[/td][td]41.8[/td][td][/td][td]40.2[/td][td][/td][td]39.4[/td][td]Jose Reyes[/td][td]37.0[/td][td]Ron Hunt[/td][td]32.7[/td][td][/td][td]29.2[/td][td][/td][td]28.8[/td][td][/td][td]28.3[/td][td][/td][td]26.1[/td][td][/td][td]23.3[/td][td]Jesse Orosco[/td][td]23.2[/td][td][/td][td]23.0[/td][td][/td][td]22.7[/td][td][/td][td]22.4[/td][td]Rick Aguilera[/td][td]21.9[/td][td][/td][td]21.8[/td][td][/td][td]21.1[/td][td]Daniel Murphy[/td][td]20.8[/td][td]Buddy Harrelson[/td][td]20.3[/td]

The first 17 games of Justin Turner's MLB career were with the Baltimore Orioles. [th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Tom Seaver[/td][td]109.9[/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]81.3[/td][td]Jerry Koosman[/td][td]53.7[/td][td]Dwight Gooden[/td][td]53.0[/td][td]David Wright[/td][td]49.1[/td][td][/td][td]47.9[/td][td]Amos Otis[/td][td]42.8[/td][td][/td][td]42.4[/td][td][/td][td]42.2[/td][td]Ken Singleton[/td][td]41.8[/td][td][/td][td]40.2[/td][td][/td][td]39.4[/td][td]Jose Reyes[/td][td]37.0[/td][td]Ron Hunt[/td][td]32.7[/td][td][/td][td]29.2[/td][td][/td][td]28.8[/td][td][/td][td]28.3[/td][td][/td][td]26.1[/td][td][/td][td]23.3[/td][td]Jesse Orosco[/td][td]23.2[/td][td][/td][td]23.0[/td][td][/td][td]22.7[/td][td][/td][td]22.4[/td][td]Rick Aguilera[/td][td]21.9[/td][td][/td][td]21.8[/td][td][/td][td]21.1[/td][td][/td][td]20.8[/td][td]Buddy Harrelson[/td][td]20.3[/td]

Jim Hickman (13.0) and Lucas Duda (7.6) did not make this list. [th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Tom Seaver[/td][td]109.9[/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]81.3[/td][td]Jerry Koosman[/td][td]53.7[/td][td]Dwight Gooden[/td][td]53.0[/td][td]David Wright[/td][td]49.1[/td][td][/td][td]47.9[/td][td]Amos Otis[/td][td]42.8[/td][td][/td][td]42.4[/td][td][/td][td]42.2[/td][td]Ken Singleton[/td][td]41.8[/td][td][/td][td]40.2[/td][td][/td][td]39.4[/td][td][/td][td]37.0[/td][td]Ron Hunt[/td][td]32.7[/td][td][/td][td]29.2[/td][td][/td][td]28.8[/td][td][/td][td]28.3[/td][td][/td][td]26.1[/td][td][/td][td]23.3[/td][td][/td][td]23.2[/td][td][/td][td]23.0[/td][td][/td][td]22.7[/td][td][/td][td]22.4[/td][td]Rick Aguilera[/td][td]21.9[/td][td][/td][td]21.8[/td][td][/td][td]21.1[/td][td][/td][td]20.8[/td][td][/td][td]20.3[/td]

[th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Tom Seaver[/td][td]109.9[/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]81.3[/td][td]Jerry Koosman[/td][td]53.7[/td][td]Dwight Gooden[/td][td]53.0[/td][td]David Wright[/td][td]49.1[/td][td][/td][td]47.9[/td][td]Amos Otis[/td][td]42.8[/td][td][/td][td]42.4[/td][td][/td][td]42.2[/td][td][/td][td]40.2[/td][td][/td][td]39.4[/td][td][/td][td]37.0[/td][td]Ron Hunt[/td][td]32.7[/td][td][/td][td]29.2[/td][td][/td][td]28.8[/td][td][/td][td]28.3[/td][td][/td][td]26.1[/td][td][/td][td]23.3[/td][td][/td][td]23.2[/td][td][/td][td]23.0[/td][td][/td][td]22.7[/td][td][/td][td]22.4[/td][td]Rick Aguilera[/td][td]21.9[/td][td][/td][td]21.8[/td][td][/td][td]21.1[/td][td][/td][td]20.8[/td][td][/td][td]20.3[/td]

One of 12 players to have won a Cy Young Award before joining the Mets....ok, maybe not everything has to be a trivia question. RIP.

That's our list. Adrian Gonzalez, opening day first baseman in 2018. Nice job everyone. [th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]156.2[/td][td]Willie Randolph[/td][td]65.9[/td][td]Richie Ashburn[/td][td]64.3[/td][td]David Cone[/td][td]61.6[/td][td]Gary Sheffield[/td][td]60.5[/td][td]Bobby Abreu[/td][td]60.2[/td][td]Yogi Berra[/td][td]59.5[/td][td]Joe Torre[/td][td]57.7[/td][td]Francisco Lindor[/td][td]55.7[/td][td]Johan Santana[/td][td]51.1[/td][td]David Wright[/td][td]49.1[/td][td]Rusty Staub[/td][td]45.8[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]44.4[/td][td]Gil Hodges[/td][td]43.8[/td][td]Adrian Gonzalez[/td][td]43.6[/td][td]Juan Soto[/td][td]42.6[/td][td]Bob Friend[/td][td]40.6[/td][td]Moises Alou[/td][td]39.9[/td][td]Starling Marte[/td][td]39.3[/td][td]Shawn Green[/td][td]34.7[/td][td]Jay Bell[/td][td]37.2[/td][td]Jose Reyes[/td][td]37.2[/td][td]Gene Woodling[/td][td]33.3[/td][td]John Valentin[/td][td]32.5[/td][td]Jose Valentin[/td][td]31.6[/td][td]JD Martinez[/td][td]30.8[/td][td]Kevin McReynolds[/td][td]30.1[/td]

How long can you go in order for? [th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Tom Seaver[/td][td]109.9[/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]81.3[/td][td]Jerry Koosman[/td][td]53.7[/td][td][/td][td]53.0[/td][td][/td][td]49.1[/td][td][/td][td]47.9[/td][td][/td][td]42.8[/td][td][/td][td]42.4[/td][td][/td][td]42.2[/td][td][/td][td]40.2[/td][td][/td][td]39.4[/td][td][/td][td]37.0[/td][td][/td][td]32.7[/td][td][/td][td]29.2[/td][td][/td][td]28.8[/td][td][/td][td]28.3[/td][td][/td][td]26.1[/td][td][/td][td]23.3[/td][td][/td][td]23.2[/td][td][/td][td]23.0[/td][td][/td][td]22.7[/td][td][/td][td]22.4[/td][td][/td][td]21.9[/td][td][/td][td]21.8[/td][td][/td][td]21.1[/td][td][/td][td]20.8[/td][td][/td][td]20.3[/td]

As requested in the other quiz: Can you name the all-time best players (as per WAR) whose first major league game was with the New York Mets? Degree of difficulty: there are some layups here, but also several harder ones. This list goes through anyone who had at least 20 career WAR. We'll take the two Hall of Famers off the board to start: [th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Tom Seaver[/td][td]109.9[/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]81.3[/td][td][/td][td]53.7[/td][td][/td][td]53.0[/td][td][/td][td]49.1[/td][td][/td][td]47.9[/td][td][/td][td]42.8[/td][td][/td][td]42.4[/td][td][/td][td]42.2[/td][td][/td][td]40.2[/td][td][/td][td]39.4[/td][td][/td][td]37.0[/td][td][/td][td]32.7[/td][td][/td][td]29.2[/td][td][/td][td]28.8[/td][td][/td][td]28.3[/td][td][/td][td]26.1[/td][td][/td][td]23.3[/td][td][/td][td]23.2[/td][td][/td][td]23.0[/td][td][/td][td]22.4[/td][td][/td][td]21.9[/td][td][/td][td]21.8[/td][td][/td][td]21.1[/td][td][/td][td]20.8[/td][td][/td][td]20.3[/td]

McReynolds is the guy who spent the majority of his career with the Mets. Jose Valentin is also correct, joining his 2007 Met teammate Shawn Green on this list. Conine (also a 2007 Met) finished with 19.7 WAR and just missed the list -- as did his teammates Orlando Hernandez (23.1), Aaron Sele (20.1), and Sandy Alomar Jr. (13.7). A whole lotta careers ended with the 2007 Mets but Julio Franco was not one of them -- because he was released July 16 of that year and was picked up by Atlanta, playing another 15 games that year to end his career with the Braves. One name remains. [th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]156.2[/td][td]Willie Randolph[/td][td]65.9[/td][td]Richie Ashburn[/td][td]64.3[/td][td]David Cone[/td][td]61.6[/td][td]Gary Sheffield[/td][td]60.5[/td][td]Bobby Abreu[/td][td]60.2[/td][td]Yogi Berra[/td][td]59.5[/td][td]Joe Torre[/td][td]57.7[/td][td]Francisco Lindor[/td][td]55.7[/td][td]Johan Santana[/td][td]51.1[/td][td]David Wright[/td][td]49.1[/td][td]Rusty Staub[/td][td]45.8[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]44.4[/td][td]Gil Hodges[/td][td]43.8[/td][td][/td][td]43.6[/td][td]Juan Soto[/td][td]42.6[/td][td]Bob Friend[/td][td]40.6[/td][td]Moises Alou[/td][td]39.9[/td][td]Starling Marte[/td][td]39.3[/td][td]Shawn Green[/td][td]34.7[/td][td]Jay Bell[/td][td]37.2[/td][td]Jose Reyes[/td][td]37.2[/td][td]Gene Woodling[/td][td]33.3[/td][td]John Valentin[/td][td]32.5[/td][td]Jose Valentin[/td][td]31.6[/td][td]JD Martinez[/td][td]30.8[/td][td]Kevin McReynolds[/td][td]30.1[/td]

John Valentin and Jay Bell were, to me, the two hardest answers. I did not remember either of them having that good of a career. [th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]156.2[/td][td]Willie Randolph[/td][td]65.9[/td][td]Richie Ashburn[/td][td]64.3[/td][td]David Cone[/td][td]61.6[/td][td]Gary Sheffield[/td][td]60.5[/td][td]Bobby Abreu[/td][td]60.2[/td][td]Yogi Berra[/td][td]59.5[/td][td]Joe Torre[/td][td]57.7[/td][td]Francisco Lindor[/td][td]55.7[/td][td]Johan Santana[/td][td]51.1[/td][td]David Wright[/td][td]49.1[/td][td]Rusty Staub[/td][td]45.8[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]44.4[/td][td]Gil Hodges[/td][td]43.8[/td][td][/td][td]43.6[/td][td]Juan Soto[/td][td]42.6[/td][td]Bob Friend[/td][td]40.6[/td][td]Moises Alou[/td][td]39.9[/td][td]Starling Marte[/td][td]39.3[/td][td]Shawn Green[/td][td]34.7[/td][td]Jay Bell[/td][td]37.2[/td][td]Jose Reyes[/td][td]37.2[/td][td]Gene Woodling[/td][td]33.3[/td][td]John Valentin[/td][td]32.5[/td][td][/td][td]31.6[/td][td]JD Martinez[/td][td]30.8[/td][td][/td][td]30.1[/td]

Vaughn: 27.1 career WAR. Just missed this list. Zeile: 19.3

Marte is our last active player. Alonso’s career WAR is still in the 20s. One player still here spent the majority of his career with the Mets. The other three had one, one, and two seasons in NY, respectively — all in the 21st century. [th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]156.2[/td][td]Willie Randolph[/td][td]65.9[/td][td]Richie Ashburn[/td][td]64.3[/td][td]David Cone[/td][td]61.6[/td][td]Gary Sheffield[/td][td]60.5[/td][td]Bobby Abreu[/td][td]60.2[/td][td]Yogi Berra[/td][td]59.5[/td][td]Joe Torre[/td][td]57.7[/td][td]Francisco Lindor[/td][td]55.7[/td][td]Johan Santana[/td][td]51.1[/td][td]David Wright[/td][td]49.1[/td][td]Rusty Staub[/td][td]45.8[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]44.4[/td][td]Gil Hodges[/td][td]43.8[/td][td][/td][td]43.6[/td][td]Juan Soto[/td][td]42.6[/td][td]Bob Friend[/td][td]40.6[/td][td]Moises Alou[/td][td]39.9[/td][td]Starling Marte[/td][td]39.3[/td][td]Shawn Green[/td][td]34.7[/td][td]Jay Bell[/td][td]37.2[/td][td]Jose Reyes[/td][td]37.2[/td][td]Gene Woodling[/td][td]33.3[/td][td][/td][td]32.5[/td][td][/td][td]31.6[/td][td]JD Martinez[/td][td]30.8[/td][td][/td][td]30.1[/td]

Easley's a good guess. Only 20.5 total WAR though.

That's 113 innings in 2025. 285 total Mets innings. Senga's contract is for $14 million/season. By comparison, the Mets are paying Manaea $25M/year for 2026 and 2027; Montas was signed for $17M/year; the Tigers signed Flaherty last offseason for $17.5M/2 years; the Rangers signed Eovaldi for $75M/3 years. Listen to trade offers? Sure. But there seems little incentive to sell low.

Neither Seaver nor Tanana finished their careers with the Mets. Seaver was with Boston in 1986. Tanana was traded in September 1993 to the Yankees, who needed extra pitching and at the time were only 3 games back of the Blue Jays in the AL East race. (When we do the next quiz, best players to debut with the Mets...yes, Seaver will be #1).

Alonso is not on this list, he's only at 23.3 WAR. Great idea. Will pull that together after this one is done.

I do think there's something there with respect to the length of a deal Alonso can expect to receive. Anything more than 5 years is less likely with Naylor only getting 5 despite being younger. Of course, as you note, Alonso is likely to be looking for a higher AAV anyway. That said, there is probably some perceived benefit -- even if largely ephemeral -- to a team not committing itself for as many years. Giving Pete $150M over 5 years instead of 8 might be (mostly) a wash financially but the shorter deal still somehow more palatable.

Thanks, Edgy. [th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]156.2[/td][td]Willie Randolph[/td][td]65.9[/td][td]Richie Ashburn[/td][td]64.3[/td][td]David Cone[/td][td]61.6[/td][td]Gary Sheffield[/td][td]60.5[/td][td]Bobby Abreu[/td][td]60.2[/td][td]Yogi Berra[/td][td]59.5[/td][td]Joe Torre[/td][td]57.7[/td][td]Francisco Lindor[/td][td]55.7[/td][td]Johan Santana[/td][td]51.1[/td][td]David Wright[/td][td]49.1[/td][td]Rusty Staub[/td][td]45.8[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]44.4[/td][td]Gil Hodges[/td][td]43.8[/td][td][/td][td]43.6[/td][td]Juan Soto[/td][td]42.6[/td][td]Bob Friend[/td][td]40.6[/td][td]Moises Alou[/td][td]39.9[/td][td][/td][td]39.3[/td][td]Shawn Green[/td][td]34.7[/td][td]Jay Bell[/td][td]37.2[/td][td]Jose Reyes[/td][td]37.2[/td][td]Gene Woodling[/td][td]33.3[/td][td][/td][td]32.5[/td][td][/td][td]31.6[/td][td]JD Martinez[/td][td]30.8[/td][td][/td][td]30.1[/td]

Abreu was the other major inspiration for the quiz when I realized how high he is on this list. BG is correct that players active in 2025 were considered. WAR does not look kindly upon Mr. Cuddyer’s defense. 17.8 for the career. [th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]156.2[/td][td]Willie Randolph[/td][td]65.9[/td][td]Richie Ashburn[/td][td]64.3[/td][td]David Cone[/td][td]61.6[/td][td]Gary Sheffield[/td][td]60.5[/td][td]Bobby Abreu[/td][td]60.2[/td][td]Yogi Berra[/td][td]59.5[/td][td]Joe Torre[/td][td]57.7[/td][td][/td][td]55.7[/td][td]Johan Santana[/td][td]51.1[/td][td]David Wright[/td][td]49.1[/td][td]Rusty Staub[/td][td]45.8[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]44.4[/td][td]Gil Hodges[/td][td]43.8[/td][td][/td][td]43.6[/td][td]Juan Soto[/td][td]42.6[/td][td]Bob Friend[/td][td]40.6[/td][td]Moises Alou[/td][td]39.9[/td][td][/td][td]39.3[/td][td]Shawn Green[/td][td]34.7[/td][td]Jay Bell[/td][td]37.2[/td][td]Jose Reyes[/td][td]37.2[/td][td]Gene Woodling[/td][td]33.3[/td][td][/td][td]32.5[/td][td][/td][td]31.6[/td][td]JD Martinez[/td][td]30.8[/td][td][/td][td]30.1[/td]

I had forgotten about Bob Friend when counting up pitchers. So there's 3, not 2. Randy Jones only had 17.8 WAR. And what did Jay Bell ever do to you? [th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]156.2[/td][td]Willie Randolph[/td][td]65.9[/td][td]Richie Ashburn[/td][td]64.3[/td][td]David Cone[/td][td]61.6[/td][td]Gary Sheffield[/td][td]60.5[/td][td][/td][td]60.2[/td][td]Yogi Berra[/td][td]59.5[/td][td]Joe Torre[/td][td]57.7[/td][td][/td][td]55.7[/td][td]Johan Santana[/td][td]51.1[/td][td]David Wright[/td][td]49.1[/td][td]Rusty Staub[/td][td]45.8[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]44.4[/td][td]Gil Hodges[/td][td]43.8[/td][td][/td][td]43.6[/td][td][/td][td]42.6[/td][td]Bob Friend[/td][td]40.6[/td][td]Moises Alou[/td][td]39.9[/td][td][/td][td]39.3[/td][td]Shawn Green[/td][td]34.7[/td][td]Jay Bell[/td][td]37.2[/td][td]Gene Woodling[/td][td]33.3[/td][td][/td][td]32.5[/td][td][/td][td]31.6[/td][td]JD Martinez[/td][td]30.8[/td][td][/td][td]30.1[/td]

Cone is 1 of only 2 pitchers on the list. [th]Name[/th][th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]156.2[/td][td]Willie Randolph[/td][td]65.9[/td][td]Richie Ashburn[/td][td]64.3[/td][td]David Cone[/td][td]61.6[/td][td]Gary Sheffield[/td][td]60.5[/td][td][/td][td]60.2[/td][td]Yogi Berra[/td][td]59.5[/td][td]Joe Torre[/td][td]57.7[/td][td][/td][td]55.7[/td][td][/td][td]51.1[/td][td][/td][td]49.1[/td][td]Rusty Staub[/td][td]45.8[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]44.4[/td][td]Gil Hodges[/td][td]43.8[/td][td][/td][td]43.6[/td][td][/td][td]42.6[/td][td]Moises Alou[/td][td]39.9[/td][td][/td][td]39.3[/td][td][/td][td]37.2[/td][td][/td][td]32.5[/td][td][/td][td]31.6[/td][td][/td][td]30.8[/td][td][/td][td]30.1[/td]