nymr83

Beltran - if you look at him as a Centerfielder, and he'll end his career having played more than half his games there and doing a good job of it, he's behind probably only Griffey in the last 40 years. career, he is 65th on the bbref war list - the guys above him who arent in? Bonds, Arod, Pujols, Beltre, Chipper, Bagwell, Rose, Bill Dahlen, Whitaker, Thome, some scrub SS for the Yankees, Walker, Palmiero, and Bobby Grich Steroids or other cheating aside, there is no argument about Bonds Arod Pujols Chipper Bagwell Rose Palmiero Beltre and the Yankee scrub SS. Thome was a real defensive liability but i think hes in. Dahlen played his last game in 1911, pretty hard to compare there. Whitaker and Grich were both second basemen who were good for long enough but i'd argue never GREAT players, it probably didnt help that they both spent their entire careers in american league cities that nobody cared about and before the advent of interleague play and sports center and were off the ballot before the sabermetrics revolution could save them. I think Beltran is A shoe-in.

Frayed Knot wrote: How's Hillary doing ... still comfortably ahead? Thread over, FK wins.

Reyes gets hurt, and isnt the player he used to be, and hits women. lets not count on that. I love Flores but he is a butcher at SS and might be our primary 3B option given Wright's uncertain health. Reynolds is a AAAA/bench guy, not a reason or excuse to trade a starter. Cechinni? maybe but i wouldnt trade Cabrera just to hope he turns into something

Edgy MD wrote: There's a bias in those error totals, too, though. Guys with weaponized arms get more errors than guys without, and often ones they don't particularly deserve. Best way to avoid errors: Field and throw as little as possible. Also known as "The Jeter Plan"

its really tough because there are multiple angles to this - but lets start with the fact that 99% of us would be OVERJOYED to get 100 days off from work as the only consequence of these allegations - most people would be FIRED.

The policy, obtained by The Associated Press, prohibits “requiring, coercing or encouraging” players from “dressing up as women or wearing costumes that may be offensive to individuals based on their race, sex, nationality, age, sexual orientation, gender identify or other characteristic.” What if the player is offended by being forced to wear a hat or jersey with a racially insensitive image? oh, nevermind...

why is Jeter a shoe-in? if you accept the evidence that he was a [u:14gc4ndi]liability[/u:14gc4ndi] on defense his career rate stats on offense aren't very impressive - he's just a compiler who stuck around long past his shelf-life

FK hit the nail on the head - the criticism of Trump for things that everyone else does too is absurd and masks the warranted criticism of the things he really shouldn't do. yay for Bobby V, hope its true!

MFS62 wrote: He's getting closer: http://nesn.com/2016/12/tim-tebow-likely-to-play-for-mets-in-spring-training-manager-terry-collins-says/ Later ugh, Collins buys the Tebow-aurora-hype too? this is ridiculous.

By virtue of health alone the 2017 Mets should be better than the 2016 version - but I don't think they've quite caught the Nationals.

i'm sure the rules will change next year to save the yankees

Vic Sage wrote: excellent. Now we can chastise with impunity. this is an excellent change - would love to see some of the dumber ballots getting publicly shredded to pieces

SteveJRogers wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Nymr83 wrote: who are the Pudge nay-sayers? he is an all-time great catcher - top 5 at the position! Superlative defender, and an excellent offensive player for a decade. I don't get how he isn't first-ballot, honestly. He does seem to have more "substantial" PED "taint" than Piazza did (named in Canseco book, teammate of users in Texas, deflated and power numbers "decreased" with the advent of testing, etc). Canseco said so? who gives a fuck his teammates used? so did everyone else's! deflated numbers didnt just coincide with testing, they coincided with being a fucking catcher who crouched behind the plate every day - all the good catchers hit that decline

No interest. I'd rather just keep Duda, maybe with a righty-platoon partner

where is his defense these days? its not the late 90's anymore where you trot Adam Dunn out to fake a position... or Derek Jeter.

Braun, 33 this year, is owed a lot of money for a long time - between him and Wright the Mets could be sitting on some fat dead contracts right around the time the pitchers all become FA eligible. I still wouldnt say no to Bruce straight up, but MIL doesnt do that and i wont throw in a decent pitcher to get that done

MFS62 wrote: I heard on the radio that the ceremony (I use the term loosely) will be held on Mothers Day. Seems to me that they're missing a hyphen and another word. Later Great post. Great job by the Yankees furthering the culture of "Participation Trophies" by giving a monument to the worst defender of all time.

who are the Pudge nay-sayers? he is an all-time great catcher - top 5 at the position!

Mussina loses my vote if hes not going in with a retro Orioles hat.

I'm not trading Gsellman either. take Tebow and we'll take on the entire contract!

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I can't believe people aren't prepared to trade Matz for an MVP centerfielder you mean an expensive player on a steep downward trajectory? he was NEGATIVE WAR player this past year (last 5 years: 7.0; 8.1; 6.3; 4.9; -0.7 on BRef) - i'm guessing he isnt that bad, but he is owed 14 mil each of the last 2 years and arguably already belongs in a corner spot. at that point, he's Jay Bruce. Why would you trade Matz for that?

i just voted. Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Jeff Bagwell Sammy Sosa Manny Ramirez Curt Schilling Mike Mussina Ivan Rodriguez Tim Raines Vladimir Guerrero I would consider Walker and Edgar if I had another vote. I don't think any of the relievers should get in over the hitters/starters, but taking them in isolation i'd barely put Wagner in and barely keep Hoffman out, Lee Smith is very overrated. my lowest are Schilling - I expect thats just a bunch of people voting against him for non-baseball reasons - and Sosa. if you're going to ignore the ROIDS he is a clear-cut HOFer, and if not, why did you vote for Bonds?

When our pitching explodes again we'd sorely miss him. why trade for McCutchen at all? sign Fowler!

Disabled List going from 15 days to 10 - expect shenanigans around starting pitchers and off days.

Frayed Knot wrote: (but if 'Jeff' answers, hang up) ha!