Sign Murphy NOW!!!!

[Edgy MD]

Well, nobody had to that point. I think by my use of the term "likely," I made it pretty clear that I wasn't expecting that state of affairs to continue into perpetuity.

[ashie62]

Edgy MD wrote: Well, nobody had to that point. I think by my use of the term "likely," I made it pretty clear that I wasn't expecting that state of affairs to continue into perpetuity.

I'd say you fudged in the literal sense.

NEXT!

[Edgy MD]

You mean I literally made fudge?

Next what?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Murphy has declined the QO.

[Zvon]

As expected. I was surprised about Rasmus breaking the streak of players not accepting the QO and I was hoping it might start a new trend. Ha.
Well, until he is signed by some other team, he's still a Metropolitan to me. I'll miss ya Murph. I hope he gets a good payday, preferably as a DH in the AL.

[nymr83]

I hope he gets a payday and we get our draft pick!

[Frayed Knot]

As things stand now, Muffy signing elsewhere would net us the 10th compensation pick (out of a potential 16 QO FAs) after round 1 is over, aka: pick #40. Our existing 1st round pick is #24
Both picks could slide upwards somewhat depending on how the FA season breaks out: where the QO picks sign, if any re-up with their current team, etc.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy MD wrote: You mean I literally made fudge? Next what?

Next, you hand over some of that sweet fudge, you fudge-retentive son of a bitch.

[MFS62]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: ... you fudge-retentive son of a bitch.

If there ever was a set-up line for Andrew Dice Clay, that was it.

Back to Daniel Murphy. Now that he has rejected the QO, isn't there a rule about the earliest they can re-sign him? IIRC its well into Spring Training. (or has that changed?)

Later

[Guest d'Kong76]

I thought that date was May 31st but I may be conflating rules.

[Edgy MD]

No, we're conflating with old rules. Daniel Murphy is eligible to sign with the Mets right NOW!!!!

[Ceetar]

May 31st (I think that's the right date) is the date the draft pick compensation weight lifts from his shoulders. If he signs after that no one loses a pick.

[ashie62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Murphy has declined the QO.

Good!

[Centerfield]

Kind of a delayed reaction no?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Centerfield wrote: Kind of a delayed reaction no?

Yeah, but there were a lot of moving parts to the response, to, y'know, sort out.

I DO have a feeling this one will take a while.

[RealityChuck]

It ain't over: http://metsblog.com/metsblog/mets-expected-to-make-legitimate-bid-for-daniel-murphy/

The Mets are expected to make a legitimate attempt to re-sign Daniel Murphy, according to Adam Rubin of ESPN New York (Nov. 18, 2015). Murphy rejected the team�s $15.8 million, one-year qualifying offer last Friday. According to Rubin, because Murphy enjoyed his time with the organization, the Mets believe he might return even if they are not the highest bidder. The Mets will receive a compensatory draft pick if Murphy signs with a new team. He is expected to receive offers around 3-4 years and $12-15 million a season (Nov. 11, 2015).

[Centerfield]

I have to say, second base is a real conundrum. The knee-jerk reaction is to go get Ben Zobrist. Best hitter and fielder available for the position. But he's 35 and looking for a four year deal. Does 4 years, 15 million per make sense? Probably not. His OPS was at .809 last year, so realistically with age we're going to see that drop into the high .700's.

And if you're in the high .700's, that's where Daniel Murphy lives. And Murph is much younger. So Daniel Murphy for 3 years, $12 million per makes a lot more sense.

But if Murph signs elsewhere, you get a draft pick. And sometimes draft picks turn into Michael Conforto. (others turn into Lastings Milledge, but the potential is there) And re-signing Murph blocks Dilson Herrera.

Herrera is completely unproven, but I think there's a good chance that he can give you low .700's and better defense. And who knows, he might turn out to be better than Murph or Zobrist. He costs nothing.

Is Herrera (+draft pick) the best option? This frees up money for an outfielder or bullpen help.

I don't know. I'm glad Sandy is smart.

[Ceetar]

Zobrist's wRC+ over the last four years is 123 to Murphy's 108. Zobrist also plays the outfield. His defense is better.

Zobrist is a significantly better player. It's really about who else wants him (i.e. what the final price will be) and how fast he'll drop off.



I'd like not to just hand it all to Flores/Herrera/Tejada/Reynolds up the middle and hope for the best. But technically that's a 2016 problem, but there's not guarantee it won't continue to be a 2017, etc problem, and having Zobrist definitely helps mitigate that.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Tejada may not be around to be in that mix according to some.
I don't think we have a Tejada thread but his price tag goes up
next year via arbitration and they may not want to pay him?

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: Tejada may not be around to be in that mix according to some. I don't think we have a Tejada thread but his price tag goes up next year via arbitration and they may not want to pay him?

mostly b.s. rumormongering i suspect. he still might be the best SS they have.

[Guest d'Kong76]

I believe it's a Rubin thing, and he does get quoted here and there
an awful lot as reliable but whatever...

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: I believe it's a Rubin thing, and he does get quoted here and there an awful lot as reliable but whatever...

Rubin's a throw everything against the wall and see what sticks guy. If someone connected with the Mets in some way ponders out loud to him that it might be wise to just cut Tejada loose, he reports it without qualifiers, pretending he's unaware that it fits into a nice predefined narrative.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Thanks, it's the first I've read any of his stuff hahaha

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: Thanks, it's the first I've read any of his stuff hahaha

he also loves spoilers.

[Edgy MD]

Hey, if he has a quote from a Mets official that Ruben may not get tendered, he has a quote, and should report it as such. If people want to take it as a sealed promise, that's on them.

[Guest d'Kong76]

I'm starting to hope Murph wants to stay a Met and something
gets worked out that isn't too nutty in years and financially.

What would next year's Mets be without some Muffy? Moiph?
The Muffster? Watching him rake in the rarefied air of Coor's
Field would really suck.

[Vic Sage]

Flores proved to me he could play SS well enough to stay there next year, to keep his bat in the lineup. What he needs is a DP partner with the range to make up for his lack of it. That's not Murphy. I don't know if it's Herrera but it's worth finding out, considering his offensive upside. Also, with Tejada (and with Reynolds, Cecchini and Rosario in the pipeline), Flores' bat and D could play even better at 2b and make room for one of these guys to develop at SS. So I'd rather they took the Murphy money (3-4yr/$40-50m?), and added it to the budget for a power bat in the OF.

[seawolf17]

Vic Sage wrote: Flores proved to me he could play SS well enough to stay there next year, to keep his bat in the lineup. What he needs is a DP partner with the range to make up for his lack of it. That's not Murphy. I don't know if it's Herrera but it's worth finding out, considering his offensive upside. Also, with Tejada (and with Reynolds, Cecchini and Rosario in the pipeline), Flores' bat and D could play even better at 2b and make room for one of these guys to develop at SS. So I'd rather they took the Murphy money (3-4yr/$40-50m?), and added it to the budget for a power bat in the OF.

I agree, but...

...you don't know what you're going to get out of Wright next year, and Duda's only played one full season. If Murph will take 3-4/40-50 to stay, I could see him getting 130 games between first, second, and third.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

And Zobrist could do the same, only better (most likely). And somewhat more expensively.

[seawolf17]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: And Zobrist could do the same, only better (most likely). And somewhat more expensively.

Yes, but. He's also older and therefore less likely to keep that up. So spend more money on an older guy for (possibly) more production? I don't know. Dance with the horse that brought you.