Always Classy and Doing Things The Right Way

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Which for the Cardinals may involve hacking into the player personnel databases of the Astros, according to an investigation by the FBI

[seawolf17]

[Edgy MD]

I like how the photo implicates John Jay and Daniel Descalso. John Jay's totally a hacker.

[Ceetar]

It amuses me that the way they 'hacked' them was that Luhnow used the same passwords he used with the Cardinals.

I'm not even sure that counts as hacking. It's almost like permissible access. If we live together, and you move out to a new place and put a lock on the door so that you don't have to use a different key to get in, if I enter that house with my key, is it really trespassing?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Yes, and let's not destroy another thread arguing about sketchy interpretations of what's legal, ethical or sportsmanlike.

Sounds like the Cardinals are caught "red' handed.

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Yes, and let's not destroy another thread arguing about sketchy interpretations of what's legal, ethical or sportsmanlike. Sounds like the Cardinals are caught "red' handed.

clearly, that's for a jury of their peers to decide.

Anyway, it's still not hacking. That word is overused and doesn't really mean "Grab an advantage, often by illegal means"

[batmagadanleadoff]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Yes, and let's not destroy another thread arguing about sketchy interpretations of what's legal, ethical or sportsmanlike.

Wan't this one your idea?

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[Frayed Knot]

Anyway, it's still not hacking. That word is overused and doesn't really mean "Grab an advantage, often by illegal means"

You're kidding, right?
Yes of course it needs to be proven first, but the investigation is looking at:

"front-office personnel for the Cardinals ... hacked into internal networks of a rival team to steal closely guarded information about player personnel.
Investigators have uncovered evidence that Cardinals officials broke into a network of the Houston Astros that housed special databases the team had built, according to law enforcement officials. Internal discussions about trades, proprietary statistics and scouting reports were compromised, the officials said."

Let's not pretend that, **IF TRUE**, this isn't hacking, it wasn't to grab an advantage, and it wasn't illegal.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Ceetar wrote: If we live together, and you move out to a new place and put a lock on the door so that you don't have to use a different key to get in, if I enter that house with my key, is it really trespassing?

[Ceetar]

it's not hacking. using passwords to access data on databases is not hacking. Do I hack the CPF every time I log in?

[stevejrogers]

Ceetar wrote: It amuses me that the way they 'hacked' them was that Luhnow used the same passwords he used with the Cardinals. I'm not even sure that counts as hacking. It's almost like permissible access. If we live together, and you move out to a new place and put a lock on the door so that you don't have to use a different key to get in, if I enter that house with my key, is it really trespassing?

If there is no discernible reason for you to be there, or lack of viable consent (even a nebulous open invitation and/or letting your ex-roomie know you are there when he/she isn't there at the time), then yeah, that is pretty much trespassing and very shady behavior.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Ceetar wrote: it's not hacking. using passwords to access data on databases is not hacking. Do I hack the CPF every time I log in?

You're welcome here, you're not welcome to stroll around
the Astros network willy nilly because you may happen to
know a password or two.

[Guest d'Kong76]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Yes, and let's not destroy another thread arguing about sketchy interpretations of what's legal, ethical or sportsmanlike.

Ooops

[Ceetar]

I"m not arguing legality anyway, I'm arguing the meaning of the word 'hack'.

[stevejrogers]

Ceetar wrote: it's not hacking. using passwords to access data on databases is not hacking. Do I hack the CPF every time I log in?

If you are logging into an account you didn't create without their consent (or even using it when someone leaves the account open on a computer), then yes, that is hacking.

If you created an OptimisticMetFan account or your handle as your real name, that isn't hacking.

[stevejrogers]

Ceetar wrote: I"m not arguing legality anyway, I'm arguing the meaning of the word 'hack'.

So we're into the semantics of the word hack? Then what would you call it then?

I've seen people use that word to describe it when a co-worker, or family member uses their account on an open computer to embarrass and even troll them in some fashion on whatever board or social network site, etc that happens to be open.

[Ceetar]

SteveJRogers wrote: it's not hacking. using passwords to access data on databases is not hacking. Do I hack the CPF every time I log in? If you are logging into an account you didn't create without their consent (or even using it when someone leaves the account open on a computer), then yes, that is hacking. If you created an OptimisticMetFan account or your handle as your real name, that isn't hacking.

bah, diluting the word. If I sit down at your computer and type into your open CPF window that's "hacking"? really?



The Plague: Our recent unknown intruder penetrated using the superuser account, giving him access to our whole system.

Margo: Precisely what you're paid to prevent.

The Plague: Someone didn't bother reading my carefully prepared memo on commonly-used passwords. Now, then, as I so meticulously pointed out, the four most-used passwords are: love, sex, secret, and...

Margo: [glares at The Plague]

The Plague: god. So, would your holiness care to change her password?

[Edgy MD]

Ceetar wrote: it's not hacking. using passwords to access data on databases is not hacking. Do I hack the CPF every time I log in?

Sometimes I wonder.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Well the FBI used both the word hacked and the phrase
broke into... sounds pretty criminal to me. Jeez Alou.

[stevejrogers]

What would you'd like to call it then?

And this isn't THAT particular situation, but it has been used to describe such a situation.

[Frayed Knot]

Ceetar wrote: it's not hacking. using passwords to access data on databases is not hacking. Do I hack the CPF every time I log in?

The CPF is not part of "special databases the team had built [to house] internal discussions about trades, proprietary statistics and scouting reports"

Even if I'm dumb enough to leave my keys on the front seat of my car with the windows open that doesn't mean you're free to go around joy-riding in it simply because it wasn't properly protected.

[stevejrogers]

Someone finds the Ceetar account password, and then trolls the forum with porn spam, insulting posts about other posters, etc.

Then gets your account shut down by the admins are you going to say "that wasn't a hack job" just because you don't like the definition of the word?

[batmagadanleadoff]

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[Ceetar]

SteveJRogers wrote: Someone finds the Ceetar account password, and then trolls the forum with porn spam, insulting posts about other posters, etc. Then gets your account shut down by the admins are you going to say "that wasn't a hack job" just because you don't like the definition of the word?

'hack job' is a different definition of the word.

anyway, imo (And a lot of other peoples) if the process doesn't involve manipulating code or data configurations, it's not a hack. If you run a brute force algorithm (or even a shoddy guesswork one in your head) to guess my password, that's a hack. If you just pick up my already logged in phone, you're doing something else. I don't know what the best word for it is.

If I connect wires to hotwire your car to steal it, that's one thing. If you leave it running in the parking lot and I drive off, I still stole it, but I didn't hotwire it.

[Gwreck]

We are all dumber for having read this. 23 posts later, the Cardinals are still douchebags.

Sidenote: Jeff Luhnow is apparently an idiot as well.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Gwreck wrote: We are all dumber for having read this. 23 posts later, the Cardinals are still douchebags. Sidenote: Jeff Luhnow is apparently an idiot as well.

Excellent executive summary for this thread.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Gwreck wrote: We are all dumber for having read this.

I only skimmed it and I feel like I've lost about a dozen IQ points.

[Ceetar]

I apologize for daring to make people think and questioning things. poor hack by me.

I just happen to find hacking, and the idea of intellectual property as it pertains to programming particularly interesting.

I'm wondering to myself if the use of the same passwords suggests the use of other things as well. Config files, database design, etc.

The Cardinal employees illegally obtaining information is clearly a crime, but it certainly seems possible that the Astros are guilty of stealing intellectual property as well. Even if you rewrite a design exactly the same as something else, it's still going to be stealing. And if he copied code onto, and then off of, a personal laptop it's even more clear cut. Depending, on course, on his contract with the Cardinals, which almost assuredly didn't say "Anything Ludnow creates while here is his property alone."

[Guest d'Kong76]

I wish it was the Yankees that got caught hackin'... but the
high and mighty Cardinals are a close enough second on a slow
news day.

[seawolf17]

Can we get back to the matter at hand? I propose that they strip the Cardinals of everything going back to the end of the eighth inning, Game 7 NCLS 2006 and force them to replay it from there.