Wilmer Flores

[Centerfield]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If Duda or Davis does anything to establish some trade value between now and the end of the season, then they should be traded. Davis has spent too much time sucking for me to ever have confidence enough in him to give him the regular job. They have to find someone else. And I'm not at all impressed with Duda. He's not awful, but he's not good enough to be a regular player on a contending team.

I have no problem with trading either or both, but the only way you build up their trade value is to play them and hope they perform.

Duda ain't raisin' no stock at AAA.

[Centerfield]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The rest of CF's post is all crazy-like.

Probably. But this is the time to go crazy no?

Remember, I suggested reactivating Gooden to pitch in that doubleheader in Washington.

[Edgy MD]

Centerfield wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Don't worry. He was riding the same wagon for Jordany at shortstop eight weeks ago. More importantly, did our house counsel just use "For all intensive purposes..."? No. I said "intensive porpoises".

Oh, thank Gawd. It's always comforting to know I'm the stupid one.

[Centerfield]

As an editor, you must see stuff like this all the time no?

"For all intensive purposes..."

"He is a real pre-Madonna."

My favorite one was a young associate years back who wrote that our adversary had been guilty of a "premature evacuation". I suggested that he find different wording.

[Ceetar]

Centerfield wrote: As an editor, you must see stuff like this all the time no? "For all intensive purposes..." "He is a real pre-Madonna." My favorite one was a young associate years back who wrote that our adversary had been guilty of a "premature evacuation". I suggested that he find different wording.

I'm sure we're all guilty of one or two here and there. You hear a phrase (and who speaks clearly? I know I mumble with the best of them) and you like it and you reuse it. Suddenly you have to write it (And you write more in the Internet age) and I find myself a lot of times googling words and phrases for things like this, but some probably sneak through. Wrote 'for granted' yesterday and couldn't decide if it should've been one word or not.

[Edgy MD]

Not doing so much editing any more. The eyes are going anyhow. I caught the first half of your phrase and missed the pun that redeemed it. I hated editors (and professors) that would tag the first half of a seemingly errant turn of phrase and miss the whole point of it. Look at me now. LOOK AT ME NOW!!

[Edgy MD]

Ceetar wrote: 'm sure we're all guilty of one or two here and there. You hear a phrase (and who speaks clearly? I know I mumble with the best of them) and you like it and you reuse it. Suddenly you have to write it (And you write more in the Internet age) and I find myself a lot of times googling words and phrases for things like this, but some probably sneak through. Wrote 'for granted' yesterday and couldn't decide if it should've been one word or not.

Yabbut, if anybody should know "for all intents and purposes," it's a lawyer.

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[metsmarathon]

Ceetar wrote: Centerfield wrote: As an editor, you must see stuff like this all the time no? "For all intensive purposes..." "He is a real pre-Madonna." My favorite one was a young associate years back who wrote that our adversary had been guilty of a "premature evacuation". I suggested that he find different wording. I'm sure we're all guilty of one or two here and there. You hear a phrase (and who speaks clearly? I know I mumble with the best of them) and you like it and you reuse it. Suddenly you have to write it (And you write more in the Internet age) and I find myself a lot of times googling words and phrases for things like this, but some probably sneak through. Wrote 'for granted' yesterday and couldn't decide if it should've been one word or not.

as a grammar jerk, i try to always get those things right. typographical accuracy and capitalization can all go straight to hell, however.

[Vic Sage]

I love it when somebody mispronounces a word in conversation that they've only read before and clearly haven't ever heard spoken aloud.

I did this myself once, when i was in college. I was talking to a noted author who i was escorting around campus and we're talking about something or other, and i used the word "hyperbole", but pronounced it "hyper-bowl". He guffawed, and said, to ease my embarrassment, "don't worry; i do that all the time." But i bet he didn't. I'm over it now... but I still wake up in a cold sweat over that one, every once in a while.

As to CF's earlier post, i applaud the attitude, and agree with the overall point, though i disagree in some of the details.

While i have no confidence in Tejada as our SS of the present much less the future, I can't see EY at SS. It's not a position you want to sacrifice D for O, especially in a pitcher's park in the post-steroid era, where each run has greater impact.

And Duda has not proven to me he does anything particularly well, aside from a decent OB%, and is atrocious in the OF, so i don't see anybody losing their job to him, though i'd rather see him in RF at this point than Byrd, who we clearly should've traded. Moot now, i know, but Marlon will be a FA coming off a career year, and he'll sign with the team willing to give him the best multi-year deal... and it better not be us (see HAIRSTON, SCOTT). In the meantime, he's taking ABs from prospects we have to find out about.

Ike? who knows? I have no confidence in him ever being a reliable offensive player, despite the slow-footed powerless bat with a high OB% he's become over the past month. But i'd hate to see Flores pushed over to 1B just yet. You want to push him into the toughest defensive position he can reasonably handle. If that's 2B, great. Whatever his bat is, it'll play better at 2b than 1b. If he HAS to be moved, then ok. But we don't know that yet. If Flores can play 2b at least as well as Murphy (i.e., about league average), then Murphy becomes trade bait.

D'anaud, yes. tomorrow please.

the lineup i'd like to see for the rest of the season:

Young LF
Lagares CF
Murphy 3b
Davis 1b
D'Anaud C
Duda RF
Flores 2b
Tejada SS

Next year, try to put a package together from among players like Murphy, Duda, Buck and Davis, and pitchers Neise, Gee, Hefner or Mejia (and/or a similar pitching prospect, if necessary), for a solid LHed cleanup hitter for either 1b or RF. We won't get a superstar for those kinds of players, but maybe a Markakis, or Kendrys Morales, or Mark Trumbo type veteran, or an Erick Hosmer, Justin Smoak, JJ Reddick type younger guy with upside, or even lesser deals for Mike Morse, Adam Lind, Colby Rasmus types as potentially useful parts. A SS might be nice, too.

[Frayed Knot]

There's no way Eric Young is a SS How do we know that? I would have bet the house that Murphy would never have the grace to handle second base either.

Because as Eisenberg/Zuckerberg snidely said in 'Social Network': "If you could have invented Facebook, you would have invented Facebook".

IOW, if anyone thought Eric Young could have played SS they would have at least tried him there. But he never played an inning at SS even in the minors, and if you can think of anyone who started learning SS at age 29 I'd like to hear about him. Plus he doesn't have the arm for it.

[Vic Sage]

yeah, i think its the arm more than anything. It's pretty weak in LF, inadequate in CF, and just barely adequate at 2B.

[Edgy MD]

Vic Sage wrote: Young LF Lagares CF Murphy 3b Davis 1b D'Anaud C Duda RF Flores 2b Tejada SS

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I'll be platooning all over the place. Flores at first, second, and third, Murphy at third, and second. Duda in left and right. Young at second and left (got to get him some time at second). Satin... um...

[Zvon]

Lets just move Wright to first and get it over with. Wilma gets third. Young second. Go get Cho Cho. Get a SS. Bingo bango:114 win season in 2014.

[Edgy MD]

Um...

[Vic Sage]

yes, to platooning extensively.
No, to moving Wright to 1B until such time as his arm falls off.

[Zvon]

...this won't be the first time I've been told I'm insane.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Zvon wrote: Lets just move Wright to first and get it over with. Wilma gets third.

Why would you prefer Flores at third and Wright at first to the other way around?

[Zvon]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Zvon wrote: Lets just move Wright to first and get it over with. Wilma gets third. Why would you prefer Flores at third and Wright at first to the other way around?

I'm not really serious. At least for 2014. But the thought of Wright going to first has creeped into my thinking this past week.

[Frayed Knot]

Some Met fans, and not a small number of non-Met fans (cough Francesa), have been trying to move Wright over to 1st base since about 20 minutes after he reached the big leagues.
I have no earthly idea why that would be considered a good move.

[Edgy MD]

Well, you know, Flores has had two games, and one big hit. Makes all the sense in the world to move a future Hall of Famer and diminish his on-field value.

Where do I sign up? Oh, at the Palace of Crazy? OK!

[Zvon]

I was looking over where Flores played most of his games in the minors the other day. Why was he moved from short never to go back?

[Edgy MD]

Because he was found to be slower than the last day of school, so the reports say.

[Frayed Knot]

Zvon wrote: I was looking over where Flores played most of his games in the minors the other day. Why was he moved from short never to go back?

For the same reason that virtually everyone who tries SS gets moved away.
If you were to make a list of the RH-throwing position players in the majors who were once short-stops in amateur ball or lower minor leagues, the percentages might reach 40%

[Zvon]

Edgy MD wrote: Because he was found to be slower than the last day of school.

That slow? Oy. That logjam at first is becoming a joke. What we want is Ike the way we thought he would be. And shit, we'd take last years Ike at this point. We have to figure out that first base situation. Flores there? If he really rakes hes gonna have to go somewhere. There's our weakest link.

While looking at baseball cards I happened to notice some pics of Young playing second. So thats also been creeping in to my peripheral visions.

[Edgy MD]

He may well end up at first, and has played there this season, but I don't think it's a commitment the team has to make today.

Everybody in baseball is gravitating toward first --- all non-pitchers anyhow --- and the job of coaches and trainers and team physicians is to keep that from happening as long as possible. Anybody that retires without having landed there is a small victory.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Edgy MD wrote: Everybody in baseball is gravitating toward first --- all non-pitchers anyhow --- and the job of coaches and trainers and team physicians is to keep that from happening as long as possible. Anybody that retires without having landed there is a small victory.

Interesting thought...

[Vic Sage]

1B is the black hole that sucks a player's youthful speed, mobility and arm strength into its ebony maw.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: Everybody in baseball is gravitating toward first --- all non-pitchers anyhow --- and the job of coaches and trainers and team physicians is to keep that from happening as long as possible. Anybody that retires without having landed there is a small victory.

No. It would be a great loss to the greatness of baseball. It would mean they became a DH.

Later

[Centerfield]

Zvon wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Because he was found to be slower than the last day of school. That slow? Oy. That logjam at first is becoming a joke. What we want is Ike the way we thought he would be. And shit, we'd take last years Ike at this point. We have to figure out that first base situation. Flores there? If he really rakes hes gonna have to go somewhere. There's our weakest link. While looking at baseball cards I happened to notice some pics of Young playing second. So thats also been creeping in to my peripheral visions.

He jumps a lot.