The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

[Frayed Knot]

Pujols Offensive WAR progression:
2009 - 7.9
2010 - 6.6
2011 - 4.3
2012 - 4.2
2013 - 1.3

Now obviously the injuries this season have a lot to do with that last number so you'd expect some bounce back assuming this foot thing gets taken care of. But still, the progression wasn't headed in a good direction back before his FA deal w/Anaheim was signed between 2011 and 2012 and it's unlikely, seeing as how he's likely to turn 34 before he plays another game, to return to the years when he was averaging around 7.5 per season (2003-2009)

[Centerfield]

Second generation contracts are tough. You want to sign a star player in his prime, but you know you're going to pay for it on the back end. For as much as we love Piazza, he gave us 4 great years, one injury shortened year, then two serviceable years.

[nymr83]

Centerfield wrote: Second generation contracts are tough. You want to sign a star player in his prime, but you know you're going to pay for it on the back end. For as much as we love Piazza, he gave us 4 great years, one injury shortened year, then two serviceable years.

Which is a pretty good reason to like Piazza. He was 30 when we gave him that deal and most of these contracts turn out poorly. 4 great, 2 decent, 1 injured (and he played well in 40% of a season) is a return on investment that most teams would love to have on a 7 year deal for a 30 year old player. Of course they wont admit that the day they sign the guy.

[Frayed Knot]

And the Mets signed Piazza for Seven years just after he turned 30 -- whereas the Angels problem is that they inked Pujols for TEN years just as he was turning 32.

Now you could argue that the whole catcher thing negates some of that difference, but Geeez, there was no one who liked the Pujols deal even though he was probably the consensus choice for best hitter in the majors at the time.

[nymr83]

Yeah nobody liked the deal and it was pretty dumb, even at the time. But when ts over I dont think it ends up looking as bad as Mike Hampton.

[Ceetar]

we're getting off topic, don't diffuse the Yankee hate. What type of horrible contract are the Yankees going to give Cano, their only good hitter, after this season? This is his age 30 season. 2Bman seem to break down at not too much later than that. (Look at Utley?) I haven't seen that many numbers floated recently, but he's gotta be looking at something significantly crippling to the Yankees right?

[nymr83]

Ceetar wrote: we're getting off topic, don't diffuse the Yankee hate. What type of horrible contract are the Yankees going to give Cano, their only good hitter, after this season? This is his age 30 season. 2Bman seem to break down at not too much later than that. (Look at Utley?) I haven't seen that many numbers floated recently, but he's gotta be looking at something significantly crippling to the Yankees right?

I'm thinking 8 years $220 Million. I'm hoping more.

[ashie62]

The Angels have the inside track on Cano..

[metirish]

Nymr83 wrote: Ceetar wrote: we're getting off topic, don't diffuse the Yankee hate. What type of horrible contract are the Yankees going to give Cano, their only good hitter, after this season? This is his age 30 season. 2Bman seem to break down at not too much later than that. (Look at Utley?) I haven't seen that many numbers floated recently, but he's gotta be looking at something significantly crippling to the Yankees right? I'm thinking 8 years $220 Million. I'm hoping more.

That would be an awesome contract, they should do it.

[Fman99]

Ashie62 wrote: The Angels have the inside track on Cano..

[Frayed Knot]

Sabathia with 4 runs given up through 4 innings in Sandy Eggo tonight.
He's served up 7 runs in each of his last two starts so he's got a ways to go although he's well on his way.
The 4th run was particularly fun to watch: with two outs an no one on CC failed to cover the bag on a grounder to 1st ... next guy up hit a triple.

4-2 SD, top 5

[metirish]

As seen on Twitter, Jeter to the DL to make room for guess who?

[stevejrogers]

metirish wrote: As seen on Twitter, Jeter to the DL to make room for guess who?

Joe Beningo and Evan Roberts were slobbering over him being "clean", not even once considering his breaking down frequently is usually an anecdotal evidence used in using the "eye" test if someone is a user.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

MFYs led by hero pitcher Andy PEDitte, getting slaughtered by the White Sox.

[Frayed Knot]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: MFYs led by hero pitcher Andy PEDitte, getting slaughtered by the White Sox.

That would be your ten-losses-in-a-row coming into tonight White Sox.
Pettitte getting yanked w/bases-loaded, two outs in the 3rd already down 6-0

Bloop single for Rodriguez leading off the Yanqui 2nd. Stranded at 3rd.

[Fman99]

There's some A+ Mets off day viewing right there. Rat Boy done after 2 2/3, 11 H, 1 BB. Second straight night that the MFY starter couldn't get through the third inning.

[Frayed Knot]

What has kept the Yanx afloat so far this season has been their pitching but it's been the ones NOT named Pettitte and Sabathia.
Kuroda & Ivan Nova plus the bullpen have been saving their bacon during their bottom of the barrel offense.

[Frayed Knot]

metirish wrote: As seen on Twitter, Jeter to the DL to make room for guess who?

Remember how all the mediots in the Spring pronounced it as FACT that Jeter was going to be ready for opening day simply on the basis that he wanted it so much and could therefore will it to happen?
Well since that time the number of games he's played (5) is only slightly ahead of the number of DL assignments (3) and it's not like it's been the same injury each time: first was ankle, then quad, now calf.

[nymr83]

Fman99 wrote: There's some A+ Mets off day viewing right there. Rat Boy done after 2 2/3, 11 H, 1 BB. Second straight night that the MFY starter couldn't get through the third inning.

don't bother. RA Dickey's 20th win (9/27/12) was on SNY, much better viewing.

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: As seen on Twitter, Jeter to the DL to make room for guess who? Remember how all the mediots in the Spring pronounced it as FACT that Jeter was going to be ready for opening day simply on the basis that he wanted it so much and could therefore will it to happen? Well since that time the number of games he's played (5) is only slightly ahead of the number of DL assignments (3) and it's not like it's been the same injury each time: first was ankle, then quad, now calf.

Activating him before he's done with his rehab --- before he had even played a single complete game on defense --- looking like the worst idea in the history of training (wiht the possible exception of continuing to play David Wright after he came up grabbing his hammy).

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I crashed last night after a Cano HR put the MFYs ahead in the 12th inning, so what atreat to awake to news they'd blown a third straight to the last-place White Sox by coughing up 2 in the bottom of the inning.

And this was after the great Mariano blew a save with 2 out and 0 on in the 9th. The White Sox are the only team in the AL with fewer runs scored.

[metirish]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I crashed last night after a Cano HR put the MFYs ahead in the 12th inning, so what atreat to awake to news they'd blown a third straight to the last-place White Sox by coughing up 2 in the bottom of the inning. And this was after the great Mariano blew a save with 2 out and 0 on in the 9th. The White Sox are the only team in the AL with fewer runs scored.

Was delighted myself to see this score. Rodriguez goes 1-5 and gets doubled switched out....how's that comeback going eh?

[Frayed Knot]

I saw the 9th but then cashed it in before the extra inning fireworks.
Looking at the line score ... BOTH ChiSox rallies (9th inning & 12th) started after two outs and no one on.
And it all ruined what was Sabathia's first decent start in about a month.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

And the Red Sox had another 9th inning comeback to extend their AL East lead over the Yankees to 11.5 games. Yankees fans must be loving that.

[Guest themetfairy]

[Frayed Knot]

More BS from Mariano Rivera - BS as in Blown Save.
This one was the 2-run variety, courtesy of a 2-out/2R-HR by Miguel Cabrera

They're in the 10th now in da Bronx

[MFS62]

The MFYs won in 10.
The game was delayed by rain.
(channeling every fucking reporter shill) "It was as though the Heavens were crying because A-Rod was playing and Jeter wasn't."

Later

[Frayed Knot]

Mariano blew his third straight save and the second 2-run lead in three games vs the Tigers.
But also for the second time in three games Brett Gardner knocked in the winning run in the bottom half of the 9th and erased the BS so the Yanx wind up taking two of three in the series from the previously hottest team in the AL including both games Rivera botched.

Tigers didn't play poorly but they left a small army of guys on base in both games 1 & 3 (and then went and hit three solo HRs today) sandwiched around a beat-down in game 2. So the Yanx continue to keep their heads above .500 despite a [u:1f9089vg]Negative 24[/u:1f9089vg] RS/RA total.

ARod HR'd and also had an RBI single today but I'm going to go out on a limb here and suspect that his HR in his 10th or so AB after missing more than half a year with a major injury and surgery is NOT going to be treated as the same - usually gotta go to Lourdes to see this kind of miracle - that Jeter's HR in his 5th AB after missing more than half a season with injuries and major surgery was.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Is Brett Gardner the new Scott Brosius?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Gardner's actually got physical talent.