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batmagadanleadoff

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Ceetar wrote:
Ordonez? He put up some nifty defensive WAR and was here a while.


Oh please. Put a noose around my neck and shoot me in the head. If Ordonez has a lifetime Met WAR of as much as two, I'll buy you a pair of seats behind home plate to any Met game you choose. And you won't have to go with me if you don't want to. This fraud was the worst baseball player I ever had the misfortune of seeing in my lifetime.

And the asshole in the front office that threw his weight around to ensure that Rey played every day can still go fuck himself. I know it wasn't Bobby.


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Sheesh, ceetar, poke the bear, whydon'tcha?

Career Mets WAR

1. David Wright: 39.1 WAR, 5453 PA
2. Darryl Strawberry: 34.4, 4549
3. Carlos Beltran: 30.2, 3640
4. Edgardo Alfonzo: 28.0, 4449
5. Jose Reyes: 27.0, 4840
6. Keith Hernandez: 25.0, 3684
7. Mike Piazza: 22.8, 3941
8. Howard Johnson, 20.3, 4591
9. Mookie Wilson: 19.0, 4308
10.

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11. Bud Harrelson:17.1
12. Jon Olerud: 16.5
13. Cleon Jones, 16.4
* *
15. McReynolds: 14.3
**
T23. Gary Carter: 10.3
**
?? Mike Cameron: 3.0
?? Ed Kranepool: 2.2
?? Rickey Henderson: 1.0
?? Rey Ordo�ez: -0.4


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Sheesh, ceetar, poke the bear, whydon'tcha?

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?? Rey Ordo�ez: -0.4


Whoosh. Saved myself a coupla c-notes. Rey O is my personal Susquehanna Hat Company. But I hadda look up "poke the bear", though.

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Edgy MD wrote:
Sheesh, ceetar, poke the bear, whydon'tcha?


Haha. just grasping at straws really. I knew Ordonez had a ~4 dWAR in '99 and nearly 3 overall. Didn't know how well the other seasons stood out. Typically just being a SS lowers the bar for what you need to hit to be okay.

I suspect it's one of the guys before my time.


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Some good guesses, and you're getting warmer. As you can see, we may have the second 10 mapped out before the top ten.

Career Mets WAR

1. David Wright: 39.1 WAR, 5453 PA
2. Darryl Strawberry: 34.4, 4549
3. Carlos Beltran: 30.2, 3640
4. Edgardo Alfonzo: 28.0, 4449
5. Jose Reyes: 27.0, 4840
6. Keith Hernandez: 25.0, 3684
7. Mike Piazza: 22.8, 3941
8. Howard Johnson, 20.3, 4591
9. Mookie Wilson: 19.0, 4308
10.

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11. Bud Harrelson:17.1
12. Jon Olerud: 16.5
13. Cleon Jones, 16.4
* *
15. McReynolds: 14.3
16. Grote: 14.1
**
T23. Gary Carter: 10.3
**
39. Rusty Staub: 5.8
**
?? Mike Cameron: 3.0
?? Ed Kranepool: 2.2
?? Rickey Henderson: 1.0
?? Rey Ordo�ez: -0.4


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Good guess. Hurt by a lot of negative WAR years at the top of his career.

Helped by a lot of positive PED years at the other end.

But not a top-tenner.

Career Mets WAR

1. David Wright: 39.1 WAR, 5453 PA
2. Darryl Strawberry: 34.4, 4549
3. Carlos Beltran: 30.2, 3640
4. Edgardo Alfonzo: 28.0, 4449
5. Jose Reyes: 27.0, 4840
6. Keith Hernandez: 25.0, 3684
7. Mike Piazza: 22.8, 3941
8. Howard Johnson, 20.3, 4591
9. Mookie Wilson: 19.0, 4308
10.

xxx

11. Bud Harrelson:17.1
12. Jon Olerud: 16.5
13. Cleon Jones, 16.4
* *
15. McReynolds: 14.3
16. Grote: 14.1
**
T23. Gary Carter: 10.3
**
30. Hundley: 8.1
**
39. Rusty Staub: 5.8
**
?? Mike Cameron: 3.0
?? Ed Kranepool: 2.2
?? Rickey Henderson: 1.0
?? Rey Ordo�ez: -0.4


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Saturday Night Lee-ver?


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I'm not sure how to interpret that.

Still killing it in the 11-20 range.

Career Mets WAR

1. David Wright: 39.1 WAR, 5453 PA
2. Darryl Strawberry: 34.4, 4549
3. Carlos Beltran: 30.2, 3640
4. Edgardo Alfonzo: 28.0, 4449
5. Jose Reyes: 27.0, 4840
6. Keith Hernandez: 25.0, 3684
7. Mike Piazza: 22.8, 3941
8. Howard Johnson, 20.3, 4591
9. Mookie Wilson: 19.0, 4308
10.

xxx

11. Bud Harrelson:17.1
12. Jon Olerud: 16.5
13. Cleon Jones, 16.4
* *
15. McReynolds: 14.3
16. Grote: 14.1
T17. Agee: 13.1
**
T23. Gary Carter: 10.3
**
30. Hundley: 8.1
**
39. Rusty Staub: 5.8
**
?? Mike Cameron: 3.0
?? Ed Kranepool: 2.2
?? Rickey Henderson: 1.0
?? Rey Ordo�ez: -0.4


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Come on, man.



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Suddenly feeling horny, but not horny enough.

Career Mets WAR

1. David Wright: 39.1 WAR, 5453 PA
2. Darryl Strawberry: 34.4, 4549
3. Carlos Beltran: 30.2, 3640
4. Edgardo Alfonzo: 28.0, 4449
5. Jose Reyes: 27.0, 4840
6. Keith Hernandez: 25.0, 3684
7. Mike Piazza: 22.8, 3941
8. Howard Johnson, 20.3, 4591
9. Mookie Wilson: 19.0, 4308
10.

xxx

11. Bud Harrelson:17.1
12. Jon Olerud: 16.5
13. Cleon Jones, 16.4
* *
15. McReynolds: 14.3
16. Grote: 14.1
T17. Agee: 13.1
**
20. Mazzill: 11.4
**
T23. Gary Carter: 10.3
**
30. Hundley: 8.1
**
39. Rusty Staub: 5.8
**
?? Mike Cameron: 3.0
?? Ed Kranepool: 2.2
?? Rickey Henderson: 1.0
?? Rey Ordo�ez: -0.4


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Sorry, I was on assignment today. John Stearns it is. Pretty amazing, when you recall his career trajectory --- peaking at 26 and being injured for part or all of his last five years.


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How the WAR list compares to the CPF Rankings list among NYM position players


WAR list

1. David Wright
2. Darryl Strawberry
3. Carlos Beltran
4. Edgardo Alfonzo
5. Jose Reyes
6. Keith Hernandez
7. Mike Piazza
8. Howard Johnson
9. Mookie Wilson
10. John Stearns



CPF List:

1. Darryl Strawberry
2. David Wright
3. Mike Piazza
4. Edgardo Alfonzo
5. Cleon Jones
6. Howard Johnson
7. Jose Reyes
8. Ed Kranepool
9. Carlos Beltran
10. Keith Hernandez



CPF is furthest off on the high side with Cleon (5th vs 13th) and Kranepool (8th vs ??)
lowest on Beltran (9th vs 3rd) and Stearns (20th vs 10th)


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It's easy to overlook Stearns because he played on some horrible teams. But he had some surprisingly high OBP years in there, and his 1978 season is much better in hindsight than I remember anybody thinking at the time. The 141 games he played behind the plate in 1978 took their toll however.


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