The Kid

[MFS62]

Hate to break this to you, Reggie, but back in the day, lousy fielding outfielders with a .262 career batting average didn't get into the Hall of Fame without paying the full admission price for a ticket.
Count your lucky stars and STFU.

Later

[Vic Sage]

Really, a 1-dimensional ballplayer whose rep was based entirely on a handful of post-season HRs is NOBODY to cast stones at other borderline HOFers.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Vic Sage wrote: Really, a 1-dimensional ballplayer whose rep was based entirely on a handful of post-season HRs is NOBODY to cast stones at other borderline HOFers.

Especially a guy who spent years padding his power numbers as a DH. Had Carter been in the AL, he could had added years to his career.

[bmfc1]

Jackson's statement is almost as bad as when he tried to kill The Queen.

[Guest themetfairy]

bmfc1 wrote: Jackson's statement is almost as bad as when he tried to kill The Queen.

That movie contained some of my favorite baseball scenes ever seen on the big screen

[batmagadanleadoff]

Carter's former Mets teammates jab back at Jackson

excerpt:

Reggie Jackson said in an interview with Sports Illustrated he doesn�t think Gary Carter � among several other players � is a deserving Hall-of-Famer. It�s a statement sure to incense Mets fans, especially in light of Carter�s Feb. 16 death because of brain cancer, and yesterday several of Carter�s former teammates came to his defense. �Reggie is entitled to his opinion,� said Ron Darling, who pitched to Carter from 1986-89. �There are other players in the Hall of Fame that baseball historians may not feel as though they should be in. That being said, the timing [stinks]. �Reggie has an opinion. I�m sure there are some who said that [sandy] Koufax� 165 wins shouldn�t get in. There�s always silly comments. Listen, Reggie�s not the first person to say that Gary doesn�t belong in the Hall of Fame. � I�m sure if [Jackson] could have a do-over, he would.�� Jackson told the magazine, �I didn�t see Gary Carter as a Hall of Famer.�� also mentioning Kirby Puckett, Don Sutton, Phil Niekro, Bert Blyleven and even Jim Rice. �That�s kind of sticky,� Keith Hernandez said. �I think that he deserves to be in. I�m glad that he�s in, so I�ll disagree with Reggie and keep it at that.� Certainly as a player Gary�s numbers were more than adequate to get in the Hall of Fame,� Tim Teufel said. �He was doing it a long time, a lot of home runs, RBIs.�

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/carter_ex_teammates_jab_back_at_G9nMRzYuHsbGISVNB63hZI#ixzz1zsMg3fps

[Edgy MD]

Those read more like "measured disagreements" rather than jabs.

Somebody maybe should talk to Ray Knight if they want a jab.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Wally Backman comes to defense of late Gary Carter, firing back at Reggie Jackson, who said The Kid shouldn't be in Hall of Fame
Carter died in February after a battle with brain cancer. �To me, it�s a disgrace to the Yankee family with him saying that,� says Backman, who is NY Mets' Triple-A manager in Buffalo.




Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/wally-backman-defense-late-gary-carter-firing-back-reggie-jackson-kid-hall-fame-article-1.1110264#ixzz205dPa8vg

[Edgy MD]

Backman has perhaps too high an opinion of the Yankee family.

I think the correct response to the media is that Jackson's comments speak for themselves, and in private, to remind his future big-leaguers why the umaking of the Yankee machine (excuse me, family), is so crucial to the future of all that is good and just.

[Centerfield]

Backman's way off base here. This is not at all a disgrace to the Yankee family.

Mariano Rivera electrifying his pool and accidentally killing little boys (when he was trying to kill puppies instead) was a disgrace to the Yankee family.

Jim Leyritz drinking and driving and killing a young woman coming home from work was a disgrace to the Yankee family.

Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, and Alex Rodriguez juicing up was a disgrace to the Yankee family.

Reggie was just displaying every-day assholeish Yankee behavior.

[metirish]

Centerfield wrote: Backman's way off base here. This is not at all a disgrace to the Yankee family. Mariano Rivera electrifying his pool and accidentally killing little boys (when he was trying to kill puppies instead) was a disgrace to the Yankee family. Jim Leyritz drinking and driving and killing a young woman coming home from work was a disgrace to the Yankee family. Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, and Alex Rodriguez juicing up was a disgrace to the Yankee family. Reggie was just displaying every-day assholeish Yankee behavior.

dying.....

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Who was the Yankee infielder who was busted with underage girls and replied "What I'm I supposed to do, cut off one of her arms and count the rings?"

And don't forget the wife-swapping -- hell, family swapping -- pitchers.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Reggie was being impolitic, but for the most part, I don't think he was wrong, at least not completely. I agree with him about Sutton and Niekro. Not sure about Rice and Puckett. Disagree about Carter.

[Edgy MD]

Phil Niekro was a champ and a half. According to baseball-reference.com, he's a full 20 WAR ahead of Jackson.

Regarding the cradlerobbing, I never heard that line. Sounds like a crazy thing to say.

Chad Curtis (or Luis Polonia or any number of others) may be who you refer to, but (putting on my Stever Rogers hat) when it comes to accusations and implications of fooling around with teenagers, few teams are in the clear. With LoDuca and Castro, the Mets at one time fielded an all-high-school-haunting catching staff.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Edgy DC wrote: Phil Niekro was a champ and a half. According to baseball-reference.com, he's a full 20 WAR ahead of Jackson. Regarding the cradlerobbing, I never heard that line. Sounds like a crazy thing to say. Chad Curtis (or Luis Polonia or any number of others) may be who you refer to, but (putting on my Stever Rogers hat) when it comes to accusations and implications of fooling around with teenagers, few teams are in the clear. With LoDuca and Castro, the Mets at one time fielded an all-high-school-haunting catching staff.

Yeah, but when it happens to Mets I pretend it never happened. Selective memory is a good things sometimes. I often have to be reminded that Jason Bay is on the team.

[metirish]

Reggie not welcome in the Bronx according to people familiar with the situation




http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/yankees-reggie-jackson-stay-ripped-alex-rodriguez-sports-illustrated-article-article-1.1110762

[G-Fafif]

metirish wrote: Reggie not welcome in the Bronx according to people familiar with the situation http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/yankees-reggie-jackson-stay-ripped-alex-rodriguez-sports-illustrated-article-article-1.1110762

It happens in the best of families. And theirs.

[Met Hunter]

Edgy DC wrote: Chad Curtis (or Luis Polonia or any number of others) may be who you refer to, but (putting on my Stever Rogers hat) when it comes to accusations and implications of fooling around with teenagers, few teams are in the clear. With LoDuca and Castro, the Mets at one time fielded an all-high-school-haunting catching staff.

Don't forget the Mets employed old creepy Ed Bouchee.

[Frayed Knot]

Lemme get this straight; Big mouth saying that ARod's PED use "does cloud" his records is, according to the Yanx, "incendiary"? -- Shit, there are six year olds saying that during 1st grade recess.

What this all shows is that the Yanx have Riggie over a barrel with this kind of stuff because all they have to do is threaten to cut him off and it'll ruin the last connection he has to baseball. No one else has ever given him the time of day once he quit playing because they all thought he was an asshole back then. Old man Steinbrenner was his sugar daddy and even he wasn't stupid enough to give Jackson an on-field job.

Hell, you would have thought he said something really controversial like Phil Rizzutto being in the HoF is the biggest injustice since Milli Vanilli's Grammy award. Oh wait, everyone over kindergarten age knows that one's true also.

[seawolf17]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Who was the Yankee infielder who was busted with underage girls and replied "What I'm I supposed to do, cut off one of her arms and count the rings?"

Don Mattingly.

[G-Fafif]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Who was the Yankee infielder who was busted with underage girls and replied "What I'm I supposed to do, cut off one of her arms and count the rings?"

See? Even with statutory rape, it's all about the rings, baby!

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

G-Fafif wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Who was the Yankee infielder who was busted with underage girls and replied "What I'm I supposed to do, cut off one of her arms and count the rings?" See? Even with statutory rape, it's all about the rings, baby!

Bad ass!!!!

[Edgy MD]

We've been misled. Jackson hasn't been asked to stay away. His exile from the Yankees is self-imposed.

Sure.

Jackson Explains Absence From Yankees Game By TYLER KEPNER Reggie Jackson, who threw out the first pitch before the Home Run Derby on Monday, emphasized that his absence from the Yankees last weekend in Boston was not punitive. �There is no ban, no suspension,� Jackson said. In the current issue of Sports Illustrated, Jackson raises questions about the Hall of Fame candidacies of Andy Pettitte and Alex Rodriguez because they have admitted to using performance-enhancing drugs. More troubling to the Yankees was the poor taste Jackson showed in saying that Gary Carter and Kirby Puckett, who are deceased, should not be in the Hall. Jackson said he and the Yankees agreed that he should not be at Fenway Park, where he often goes during Yankee series in his advisory role for the team. �It was just a mutual thing where it was best,� Jackson said. �The clubhouse is a very small place, and all the media was there. I didn�t want to be a disruption.� Jackson said there was no specific date for him to return to the team, but a Yankees official said Jackson was in no danger of being fired for his comments.

[G-Fafif]

Tom notices Reggie loves to talk.

Tom Seaver regaled a crowd of 900 in the Adam's Mark ballroom today with stories of his career as the keynote speaker at the Triple-A All-Star Luncheon. Prior to the luncheon, Seaver met the media and provided a few similar tales. But he quickly turned serious when I asked him his thoughts on Reggie Jackson's recent diatribe to Sports Illustrated that several Hall of Famers -- including the recently deceased Gary Carter -- did not belong in Cooperstown. Those words drew the ire of former Carter teammate and current Bisons manager Wally Backman, who called Bergen Record columnist Bob Klapisch over the weekend to complain about Jackson's comments. Said Seaver: "Reggie is Reggie and I like Reggie but Reggie sometimes turns the logical part of his brain off. And Reggie loves to talk. It just didn't make very much sense to me. Asked what kind of reception Jackson will receive from Hall of Famers in Cooperstown at this month's induction ceremonies, Seaver said, "It will be interesting to see, won't it? Reggie will apologize. He's very diplomatic. The other part of it is he believes very strongly about the institution. He wouldn't be saying that if it was just about himself I hope. And he's too bright not to be that way."

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, when it comes to Hall of Famers, I think Reggie is smarter than most.

But conversely, he strikes me as wiser than very few.

He'd do well if his apology came with a meaningful donation to the Gary Carter foundation or to support myeloma research.