2011 player awards

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Just a little more improvement, and you can aspire to Fredi Gonzalezhood!

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Rubin copped to the vote for Terry.

Manny Acta getting more MOY votes than anyone under Omar.

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Rubin copped to the vote for Terry. Manny Acta getting more MOY votes than anyone under Omar.

well, except for the 81 points for Willie in '06 of course.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

yeah well, if you don't count them i mean

[G-Fafif]

Imagine how many votes Gonzalez would have received had he not managed a team that collapsed completely in the last month of the season. I assume the 4 points were for his players not partaking of beer and chicken during games.

[metirish]

NL CY YOUNG VOTING TOTALS

Pitcher Team 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Points
Clayton Kershaw Dodgers 27 3 2 207
Roy Halladay Phillies 4 21 7 133
Cliff Lee Phillies 5 17 9 1 90
Ian Kennedy D-backs 1 3 6 18 3 76
Cole Hamels Phillies 2 13 17
Tim Lincecum Giants 1 5 7
Yovani Gallardo Brewers 1 3 5
Matt Cain Giants 1 1 3
John Axford Brewers 2 2
Craig Kimbrel Braves 2 2
Madison Bumgarner Giants 1 1
Ryan Vogelsong Giants 1 1



http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111117&content_id=25991400&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

[Guest sharpie]

Giants get four starters on that list. None of them total more than 7 points.

[Frayed Knot]

Pitcher	TEAM	1st	2nd	3rd	4th	5th	POINTS
Clayton Kershaw	Dodgers	27	3	2	0	0	207
Roy Halladay	Phillies	4	21	7	0	0	133
Cliff Lee	Phillies	0	5	17	9	1	90
Ian Kennedy	DBacks	1	3	6	18	3	76
Cold Hamels	Phillies	0	0	0	2	13	17
Tim Lincecum	Giants	0	0	0	1	5	7
Yovani Gallardo	Brewers	0	0	0	1	3	5
Matt Cain	Giants	0	0	0	1	1	3
John Axford	Brewers	0	0	0	0	2	2
Madison Bumgarner	Giants	0	0	0	0	1	1
Ryan Vogelsong	Giants	0	0	0	0	1	1

[metirish]

One day I'm going to learn how to do that nice box.

[metsmarathon]

metirish wrote: One day I'm going to learn how to do that nice box.

[snicker]

[ashie62]

Ian Kennedy is the surprise to me this season.

[Gwreck]

ESPN's Keith Law was the voter who left Kennedy totally off the ballot.

[metirish]

metsmarathon wrote: metirish wrote: One day I'm going to learn how to do that nice box. [snicker]

[nickers]

[seawolf17]

metirish wrote: metirish wrote: One day I'm going to learn how to do that nice box. [snicker] [nickers]

[ickersn]

[TransMonk]

[sir Neck]

[seawolf17]

And Justin Verlander gets an MVP Award to go with his Cy, the first pitcher to win both since Eck in 1992.

[Ceetar]

seawolf17 wrote: And Justin Verlander gets an MVP Award to go with his Cy, the first pitcher to win both since Eck in 1992.

I don't understand why David Robertson gets to cast a vote in these things. He's got a 10th place vote for MVP as well.

Twitter abuzz with "Michael Young with a first place vote?!?"

[Gwreck]

Looks like 1 voter left Verlander completely off the ballot.

Ellsbury, Bautista, Granderson and Cabrera all got 28 votes.

[metsmarathon]

Ceetar wrote: Twitter abuzz with "Michael Young with a first place vote?!?"

i have a really hard time understanding why anoyone would put michael young higher on their ballot than ian kinsler. i get that leading his team in hits and rbi is something good, but really, how could anyone look at the two of them and think young was the better or more valuable player this year?

michael young got votes in every available spot. 1st through 10th. kinsler got no higher than 5th.

i'm a little surprised that ellsbury didn't get it. i wonder what difference one win might've made for him.

[Ceetar]

metsmarathon wrote: i'm a little surprised that ellsbury didn't get it. i wonder what difference one win might've made for him.

Huge. He played well in September, so he would've been credited with saving the Red Sox from collapse. (Also see: David Wright, 2007)

[Edgy MD]

Michael Young brought it from multiple positions. That's worth some'n.

[metirish]

Edgy DC wrote: Michael Young brought it from multiple positions. That's worth some'n.

I actually thought he was more of a bench player this year yet he played in 159 games with over 600 at bats.

[Edgy MD]

I was expecting "That's what she said!"

[metirish]

Edgy DC wrote: I was expecting "That's what she said!"

damn, now I see it.

[Frayed Knot]

The MVP votes go up to 10th place - top 5 are listed here along with the total number of votes received (out of 28 possible).

Player	TEAM	1st	2nd	3rd	4th	5th	# of Votes	Points
Justin Verlander	Tigers	13	3	3	4	1	27	280
Jacoby Ellsbury	Red Sox	4	13	4	1	4	28	242
Jose Bautista	Blue Jays	5	7	4	4	4	28	231
Curtis Granderson	Yanx	3	4	4	8	6	28	215
Miguel Carbrera	Tigers	2	0	9	5	5	28	193
Robinson Cano	Yanx	0	0	2	2	3	24	112
Adrian Gonzalez	Red Sox	0	0	1	1	2	25	105
Michael Young	Rangers	1	1	1	1	1	23	96
Dustin Pedroia	Red Sox	0	0	0	0	0	15	48
Evan Longoria	Rays	0	0	0	2	0	8	27

Also on the ballot:
Ian Kinsler - Rangers - (6 votes) - 25 points
Alex Avila - Tigers - (6) - 13
Paul Kornerko - White Sox - (6) - 11
CC Sabathia - Yanx - (2) - 10
Adrian Beltre - Rangers - (4) - 9
Ben Zobrist - Rays - (2) - 7
Victor Martinez - Tigers -(4) - 7
James Shields - Rays - (6) - 7
Mark Teixeira - Yanx - (2) - 5
Asdrubal Cabrera - Indians - (3) - 4
Alex Gordon - Royals - (3) - 3
Josh Hamilton - Rangers - (1) - 1
David Robertson - Yanx - (1) - 1

[Edgy MD]

Probably the first time since he could legally drink that A-Rod hasn't got MVP support.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

David Robertson????

[Vic Sage]

i went with Cabrera, narrowly over Bautista, Ellsbury and Verlander, but felt Verlander's candidacy was totally legit.

Vic Sage wrote: MVP AL: M.Cabrera (det) - with Bautista, Ellsbury and Verlander close behind; edge to the everyday player on a post-season team Aaron AL: Bautista (Tor) - HRs and BBs are a potent combo; AL WAR leader, tied with Cabrera in OPS+ and Runs Created I wouldn't argue if either or both of these guys won the MVP, too. But, while in the past i rejected the criteria of "playing on a post-season team" that had crept into MVP voting over time, I have, since the creation of the "Aaron" award, been willing to consider team success as an additional criteria for the MVP, and have given players on post-season teams a slight edge over the comparable AARON winners above, due to their impact on teams that made it to the post-season, as well as the additional pressure of playing for a playoff spot. The establishment of the AARON award also allowed me to consider pitchers more seriously for MVP (though the award's rules and past results always required voters to do so), since hitters have come to have their own award like pitchers do, and so there is no need to hijack the award (as i had often recommended in the past) to remedy the problem of there being no award for the best hitter in each league (That the AARON lacks the history and cache of the Cy Young does not mean the award doesn't exist). So i view Verlander's MVP candidacy as totally justifiable, too.

[Gwreck]

I would've gone with Verlander. He and Bautista tied for the AL lead in Wins above Replacement and perhaps at that point, breaking the tie with the team in contention gives the edge to Verlander.

Cabrera was .7 wins behind.

[MFS62]

IIRC, the Cy Young was institiuted by Ford Frick when he noticed that hitters were winning the majority of MVP awards. It was meant to be a separate award.

IMO, a pitcher should win the MVP in the first year a cat wins the Westminster Kennel Club Show.



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