Darryl Strawberry Award

[Edgy MD]

Please vote for your top five Mets outfielders of 2011. They will be awarded five points for each first-place vote, four for each second-place vote, etc. He with most points after a week is awarded the 2011 Crane Pool Forum Darryl Strawberry Award for Outstanding Mets Outfielder.

By my count, 11 Mets and ex-Mets toiled in the great green expanse while garbed in Metly colors this season: Mike Baxter, Jason Bay, Carlos Beltran, Lucas Duda, Nick Evans, Scott Hairston, Willie Harris, Fernando Martinez, Daniel Murphy, Angel Pagan, and Jason Pridie.

Please vote so we may honor the most esteemed of the Mets' ballhawks. Note that many of our eligible players also played other positions. In voting, please consider only the performance of the players in question that occurred while they were outfielding. Their numbers below represent only their contributions as outfielders. As always, I ask for promotional support on the Twitterverse and Facebook.

Outfielder Batting

Player	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE
Mike Baxter	11	32	26	5	6	0	1	1	3	0	0	5	8	.231	.375	.344	.719	11	0	1	0	0	0	0
Jason Bay	122	509	444	59	109	19	1	12	57	11	1	56	109	.245	.329	.374	.703	166	8	2	1	6	3	7
Carlos Beltran	91	402	337	61	98	29	2	14	63	3	0	59	58	.291	.396	.513	.909	173	9	2	0	4	5	3
Lucas Duda	44	177	151	23	40	8	0	6	26	1	0	18	28	.265	.350	.373	.723	66	3	5	0	3	1	1
Nick Evans	9	22	21	2	4	2	0	0	3	0	1	1	9	.190	.227	.273	.500	6	0	0	0	0	0	1
Scott Hairston	30	88	83	12	22	7	0	4	15	1	1	4	17	.265	.307	.307	.614	27	1	1	0	0	0	1
Willie Harris	42	142	121	18	32	8	0	2	12	3	2	20	32	.264	.373	.303	.676	43	2	1	0	0	3	2
Fernando Martinez	3	9	9	1	3	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	.333	.333	.444	.778	4	0	0	0	0	0	0
Daniel Murphy	1	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000	.000	.000	.000	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Angel Pagan	121	529	475	68	124	24	4	7	55	31	7	44	62	.261	.322	.373	.695	177	4	1	4	5	4	7
Jason Pridie	63	207	184	21	45	10	3	4	19	5	1	19	57	.245	.308	.382	.690	17	0	0	0	1	1	0

Outfielder Fielding =#FF0000](See Glossary of Terms Below)

Leftfielder	G	GS	CG	Inn	Ch	PO	A	E	DP	Fld%	Rtot	Rtot/yr	Rtz	Rof	Rdrs	Rdrs/yr	Rpm	Rof	Rhr	RF/9	RF/G
Mike�Baxter	3	0	0	5.0	2	2	0	0	0	1.000	0	24	0	0	1	240	1	0	---	3.60	0.67
Jason�Bay	122	121	114	1053.1	226	220	4	2	1	.991	-5	-6	-5	0	-1	-1	-6	3	2	1.91	1.84
Carlos�Beltran
Lucas�Duda	4	4	1	29.0	3	3	0	0	0	1.000	0	-10	0	0	1	41	1	0	---	0.93	0.75
Nick�Evans	1	0	0	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	---	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	---	0.00	0.00
Scott�Hairston	10	4	3	48.1	11	10	0	1	0	.909	-2	-55	-2	0	0	0	0	0	---	1.86	1.00
Willie�Harris	33	26	19	241.1	48	48	0	0	0	1.000	-5	-25	-5	0	-3	-15	-2	-1	---	1.79	1.45
Fernando�Martinez	1	0	0	1.0	1	0	0	1	0	.000	-1	-708	0	-1	0	0	0	0	---	0.00	0.00
Daniel�Murphy	1	0	0	2.0	1	1	0	0	0	1.000	0	0	0	0	-1	-600	-1	0	---	4.50	1.00
Angel�Pagan
Jason�Pridie	13	7	6	67.0	10	10	0	0	0	1.000	1	16	1	0	-1	-18	-1	0	---	1.34	0.77

Centerfielder	G	GS	CG	Inn	Ch	PO	A	E	DP	Fld%	Rtot	Rtot/yr	Rtz	Rof	Rdrs	Rdrs/yr	Rpm	Rof	Rhr	RF/9	RF/G
Mike�Baxter
Jason�Bay
Carlos�Beltran
Lucas�Duda
Nick�Evans
Scott�Hairston	10	8	2	59.1	17	17	0	0	0	1.000	2	50	2	0	-1	-20	-1	0	---	2.58	1.70
Willie�Harris	7	3	1	31.0	9	9	0	0	0	1.000	0	2	0	0	1	39	1	0	---	2.61	1.29
Fernando�Martinez
Daniel�Murphy
Angel�Pagan	121	119	113	1045.0	317	302	5	10	1	.968	-17	-19	-12	-4	-1	-1	1	-2	---	2.64	2.54
Jason�Pridie	43	32	29	312.2	88	85	1	2	0	.977	0	-1	1	-1	2	8	2	0	---	2.48	2.00

Rightfielder	G	GS	CG	Inn	Ch	PO	A	E	DP	Fld%	Rtot	Rtot/yr	Rtz	Rof	Rdrs	Rdrs/yr	Rpm	Rof	Rhr	RF/9	RF/G
Mike�Baxter	10	7	5	68.0	11	10	1	0	0	1.000	-2	-29	-3	1	1	18	0	1	---	1.46	1.10
Jason�Bay
Carlos�Beltran	91	91	82	790.1	155	150	4	1	2	.994	-3	-4	-3	0	5	8	3	2	---	1.75	1.69
Lucas�Duda	42	38	31	335.1	74	72	1	1	0	.986	-12	-41	-10	-1	-8	-29	-8	0	---	1.96	1.74
Nick�Evans	8	4	1	45.0	9	9	0	0	0	1.000	0	12	0	0	-2	-53	-2	0	---	1.80	1.13
Scott�Hairston	15	11	4	85.1	18	17	0	1	0	.944	-3	-42	-3	0	-2	-28	-1	-1	---	1.79	1.13
Willie�Harris	6	3	1	22.1	6	6	0	0	0	1.000	-1	-60	-1	0	-1	-54	-2	1	---	2.42	1.00
Fernando�Martinez	3	2	2	17.0	4	4	0	0	0	1.000	0	8	0	0	-1	-71	-1	0	---	2.12	1.33
Daniel�Murphy
Angel�Pagan
Jason�Pridie	21	6	5	84.2	26	25	1	0	0	1.000	0	2	-1	1	1	14	1	0	---	2.76	1.24

G -- Games Played or Pitched.
GS -- Games Started.
CG -- Complete Game.
Inn -- Innings Played in Field.
Ch -- Defensive Chances. (Putouts + Assists + Errors).
PO -- Putouts.
A -- Assists.
E -- Errors Committed.
DP -- Double Plays Turned.
Fld% -- Fielding Percentage. (Putouts + Assists) / (Putouts + Assists + Errors).
Rtot -- Total Zone Total Fielding Runs Above Avg. The number of runs above or below average the player was worth based on the number of plays made. This number combines the Rtz, Rdp, Rof, Rcatch numbers into a total defensive contribution.
Rtot/yr -- Total Zone Total Fielding Runs Above Avg per 1,200 Inn. The number of runs above or below average the fielder was worth per 1,200 Innings (approx 135 games). This number combines the Rtz, Rdp, Rof, Rcatch numbers into a total defensive contribution.
Provided by BaseballProjection.com
Rtz -- Total Zone Fielding Runs Above Avg. The number of runs above or below average the player was worth based on fielding plays made.
This number does not include OF kills, or double plays turned.
Rof -- Total Zone Outfield Arm Runs Above Avg. The number of runs above or below average the player was worth based on baserunner kills and baserunner advances.
Rdrs -- BIS Defensive Runs Saved Above Avg. The number of runs above or below average the player was worth based on the number of plays made. This number combines the Rpm, Rbdp, Rbof, Rbcatch numbers into a total defensive contribution.
Rdrs/yr -- BIS Defensive Runs Saved Above Avg per 1,200 Inn. The number of runs above or below average the fielder was worth per 1,200 Innings (approx 135 games). This number combines the Rpm, Rbdp, Rbof, Rbcatch numbers into a total defensive contribution.
Rpm -- BIS Plus/Minus Fielding Runs Above Avg. The number of runs above or below average the player was worth based on fielding plays made.
This number does not include OF kills, or double plays turned.
Rof -- BIS Outfield Arm Runs Above Avg. The number of runs above or below average the player was worth based on baserunner kills and baserunner advance.
Rhr -- BIS Outfield HR Saving Catches. The number of runs above or below average the player was worth for catches robbing batters of home runs.
RF/9 -- Range Factor per 9 Inn. 9 * (Putouts + Assists) / Innings Played
RF/G -- Range Factor per Game. (Putouts + Assists) / Games Played

[Ceetar]

Beltran
Duda
Pagan
Bay
Hairston

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Beltran
Bay
Duda
Pagan
Harris

[Edgy MD]

I realize those defensive stats must look like a lot of noise, but check it out. Bay, despite playing with the Great Wall of China behind him half the time, had our only two home-run pullbacks on the year. I seem to remember another one... Harris?

[Gwreck]

Beltran
Duda
Hairston
Pagan
Pridie

[TransMonk]

Beltran
Bay
Duda
Pagan
Harris

[Frayed Knot]

Beltran
Pagan
Bay
Duda
Harris

[Benjamin Grimm]

Beltran
Bay
Duda
Pagan
Harris

[Benjamin Grimm]

Schaefer wrote: Beltran Pagan/Bay (tie) Duda Harris

[Vic Sage]

Beltran
Bay
Pagan
Duda
Harris

[RealityChuck]

Beltran
Duda
Pagan
Pridie
Bay

[Vic Sage]

Gwreck wrote: Beltran Duda Hairston Pagan Pridie

Pridie over Bay? Really? Isn't that just flaunting an agenda in the face of reality? Are you seriously suggesting that Pridie contributed more to the Mets OF this year, with his .390 OPS and 17TB in 200+ PA, then Bay did with a .700+OPS, 166TB in 500+PA? Even factoring in superior defense, there is no reasonable argument for either Pridie (OR Hairston for that matter) over Bay, except your pre-season expectations and the size of Bay's contract, neither of which have anything to do with assessing his actual production.

Look, i'm not a Bay fan, and i'm disappointed in him, too, but this is an exercise in which we should all be using our own best judgment, not just beating dead horses.

[seawolf17]

Beltran
Pagan
Bay
Duda
Pridie

Pretty sure Pridie did not have an .082 SLG, as the chart indicates.

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, I got some code missing there.

[Edgy MD]

Vic Sage wrote: Gwreck wrote: Beltran Duda Hairston Pagan Pridie Pridie over Bay? Really? Isn't that just flaunting an agenda in the face of reality? Are you seriously suggesting that Pridie contributed more to the Mets OF this year, with his .390 OPS and 17TB in 200+ PA, then Bay did with a .700+OPS, 166TB in 500+PA? Even factoring in superior defense, there is no reasonable argument for either Pridie (OR Hairston for that matter) over Bay, except your pre-season expectations and the size of Bay's contract, neither of which have anything to do with assessing his actual production. Look, i'm not a Bay fan, and i'm disappointed in him, too, but this is an exercise in which we should all be using our own best judgment, not just beating dead horses.

While I agree with this, that OPS was way off. That should be a .690 for Pridie.

[Vic Sage]

well ok then. thanks for correcting the data. i think my point is still valid.

[Gwreck]

I make no secret of my dislike for Bay but I think it's a defensible choice to leave him off in favor of Pridie:
Bay's WAR: 0.6
Pridie's WAR: 0.6

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Gwreck wrote: I make no secret of my dislike for Bay but I think it's a defensible choice to leave him off in favor of Pridie: Bay's WAR: 0.6 Pridie's WAR: 0.6

Yabbut even then, Bay's got him on all the counting stats, the rate stats and the playing time.

[Edgy MD]

Fangraphs has it:

Bay --- 0.7
Pridie --- 0.5

[Gwreck]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I make no secret of my dislike for Bay but I think it's a defensible choice to leave him off in favor of Pridie: Bay's WAR: 0.6 Pridie's WAR: 0.6 Yabbut even then, Bay's got him on all the counting stats, the rate stats and the playing time.

I thought the WAR was supposed to normalize for that. Pridie rose to the same level of mediocrity as Bay, he just did so over a shorter amount of time.

[Vic Sage]

Gwreck wrote: I make no secret of my dislike for Bay but I think it's a defensible choice to leave him off in favor of Pridie: Bay's WAR: 0.6 Pridie's WAR: 0.6

okay, but even if you're going just by WAR, Hairston had 0.2, as did Pagan. So i don't think you were going just on WAR.
I think you should just acknowledge that your inclusion of both Hairston and Pridie over Bay was simply a matter of your anger at Bay for his continued falling short of expectations and sucking up contract resources, and not really based on an objective assessment of which OFers contributed most to the Mets this year. And that's your prerogative, of course, but you should expect to be called on it.

[Gwreck]

You're right, I wasn't going strictly by WAR; I merely offered it as one consideration. Again, I'll admit to disliking Bay (as a baseball player) and have no problem being called on that.

If there was some sort of absolute objective measure of the Mets' outfielders then there would be no point to this excercise because we'd all vote the same way.

[metsmarathon]

Beltran 93
Bay 85
Pagan 81
Duda 39*
Harris 41*

*i've only approximated duda's and harris's scoring here, as i don't have my own breakout by position. by scaling down my "marathon points" by OF playing time, harris has a slight edge, but i'm bumping duda up to better account for reality. duda's offensive production is almost certainly worth more than the 6 runs he gives up to harris on defense. plus it's my proprietary data. i'm allowed to fudge it if i want to!

the ranking would remain the same if i accounted for lucas duda as a complete player and willie harris as a complete player. duda scored 78 total mp's to harris' 56, 4th and 5th among players i consider our 2011 outfielders.

[Edgy MD]

One thing about WAR. Whether you use it or not, respect it or not it is designed to measure the player's contribution in toto. This thread asks you to measure their offensive and defensive contributions as outfielders alone, and some of these guys' WAR points represent their contributions as pinch-hitters or as infielders.

With Hairston and Harris, that would seemingly be meaningful.

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy DC wrote: With Hairston and Harris, that would seemingly be meaningful.

And Duda.
I didn't rank him in the top 5 on the IF list and low on the OF because he only had 100 and change ABs as each.
But when we get around to the 2011 Rankings Project his total contribution is what matters and then he could very well jump ahead of several of the guys I put him behind here.

Edited October 20, 2011 by Guest

[m.e.t.b.o.t.]

m.e.t.b.o.t. has made the following determinations regarding the relative worth of the 2011 metropolitan outfielders:

beltran
bay
pagan
duda
hairston

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Hey, whaddaya know?

Beltran
Bay
Pagan
Duda
Hairston

[G-Fafif]

1. Beltran
2. Pagan
3. Bay
4. Duda
5. Harris

[ashie62]

Beltran
Duda
Pagan
Bay
Harris

[Benjamin Grimm]