Dead Tradeline 2011

[Guest Edgy DC]

Tell us how you really feel, Lunch!

[MFS62]

Here'a a thought.
Do you think Ichiro will be moved? Seattle needs a lot of help.

Later

[Guest attgig]

not sure what the astros want:

Yesterday we learned that the Phillies offered Jarred Cosart, Jonathan Singleton, and a second-tier pitching prospect for Hunter Pence, but the Astros did not pull the trigger. Domonic Brown may have been available as well, but appears Pence will remain with Houston until the offseason at least. The latest: The Braves are the last team in on Pence, tweets SI's Jon Heyman. The Phillies "seem to have all but given up" on Pence after their big offer was rejected.

from mlb trade rumors.

i kinda like that the phillies can't get any better, but i don't like how they get to keep their prospects.

[Ceetar]

attgig wrote: not sure what the astros want: Yesterday we learned that the Phillies offered Jarred Cosart, Jonathan Singleton, and a second-tier pitching prospect for Hunter Pence, but the Astros did not pull the trigger. Domonic Brown may have been available as well, but appears Pence will remain with Houston until the offseason at least. The latest: The Braves are the last team in on Pence, tweets SI's Jon Heyman. The Phillies "seem to have all but given up" on Pence after their big offer was rejected. from mlb trade rumors. i kinda like that the phillies can't get any better, but i don't like how they get to keep their prospects.

perhaps it's because their prospects suck?

[Guest attgig]

MFS62 wrote: Here'a a thought. Do you think Ichiro will be moved? Seattle needs a lot of help. Later

that would be interesting. i wonder if the playoffs would convince ichiro to go somewhere else. i believe he would have no trade rights in his contract with lots of perks for flying to/fro japan.

Only problem is, I don't see him approving a trade to go east.

[TransMonk]

He's a 10/5 guy, so he can veto any trade.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Ichiro to the Yankees would make some sense, but he's signed through next year, is having a terrible year, and making a fortune.

If the Mets started talking about Ichiro for Bay, the Mariners would have to listen. That's what a load he's become.

[Gwreck]

Edgy DC wrote: If the Mets started talking about Ichiro for Bay, the Mariners would have to listen. That's what a load he's become.

Ichiro is signed through 2012 at $17 M/year. Bay is signed through 2013 at $16M/year, plus the vesting option for 2014.

[ashie62]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I cannot understand why Capuano isn't up there among targets. Are all the contenders so happy with their starting pitching that they couldn't use an inexpensive, experienced, inexpensive lefty having a pretty good season?

Maybe cause Capuano sucks it?

[Guest attgig]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/alderson-mets-unlikely-to-make-more-trades.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29

After snagging Zack Wheeler for Carlos Beltran, Mets GM Sandy Alderson is probably done dealing this month. He told reporters he doesn't expect more trades "unless something extraordinary comes up," as he's reluctant to make it tougher on the current club. So, those hoping to pluck Chris Capuano, Tim Byrdak, or Jason Isringhausen can probably stand down.

[Vic Sage]

i'm sure they could be plucked, if a team were willing to overpay for them. But Sandy isn't just going to dump them for bodies. And that's fine with me.

[Guest attgig]

I doubt anyone would overpay for those guys unless a big injury happens.

[Ceetar]

Haha, I pissed off the beat writers by responding to their silly bickering with a "who reads newspapers anymore?" tweet.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Ceetar wrote: Haha, I pissed off the beat writers by responding to their silly bickering with a "who reads newspapers anymore?" tweet.

HEY! LOTS of people read newspapers!

[seawolf17]

Ceetar wrote: Haha, I pissed off the beat writers by responding to their silly bickering with a "who reads newspapers anymore?" tweet.

Saw that; excellently done.

[metsmarathon]

hunter pence is a little overrated isn't he?

[DocTee]

hunter pence is a little overrated isn't he?

Yup. If he brings a better--or even comparable--haul than BelchRon, I'd be stunned. And pissed.

[Gwreck]

He won't be a free agent until after the 2013 season however. That's a big difference.

[seawolf17]

Plus he's only 28. I'd be surprised if he didn't bring more than Beltran.

[Gwreck]

Pence was pulled in the middle of the game tonight and apparently about to go to the Phillies.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Gwreck wrote: Pence was pulled in the middle of the game tonight and apparently about to go to the Phillies.

F that guy.

[metirish]

If you win the WS it's worth it I suppose but I'd hate to be giving up top prospects for Pence

The "headline pieces," in this case, would appear to be the Phillies top pitching prospect, Jarred Cosart, and their top hitting prospect, Jonathan Singleton. The Phillies made those two the centerpieces of their original offer for Pence early this week.

[nymr83]

do their prospects just suck? i'm suprised Pence is worth someone's two best prospects.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Their prospects are toolsy, but kinda suck these days.

And I'm increasingly convinced that Ed Wade is still working for the Phils (having finally found an organizational role in which he can excel).

[Frayed Knot]

Cosart & Singleton are good (from what I hear ... what do I know?) prospects but they're also in low A meaning still a ways away and therefore a bit more iffy.
I guess Pence means, for now, less playing time for rookies Brown & Mayberry in RF plus maybe some R/L platooning with Ibanez in LF. Then he essentially replaces Ibanez in 2012.
Sounds like a good move for both sides given their specific needs.

Pence is like the anti-Beltran in that he usually gets the job done but looks like an untamed colt out there, all arms & legs & effort in total contrast to Carlos's smoothness and efficiency.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Frayed Knot wrote: Pence is like the anti-Beltran in that he usually gets the job done but looks like an untamed colt out there, all arms & legs & effort in total contrast to Carlos's smoothness and efficiency.

He's also like the anti-Beltran insofar as he walks less than a convalescent suburbanite with the gout.

[ashie62]

http://danny-knobler.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/8590096/30976791

A very good team just got that much better. Pence .308 11HR 62RBI and he runs well, albeit goofy.

Only 28 years old and in our division for a long time.