TRIVIA: Mets Win/Save Combination record

[Benjamin Grimm]

Got this question in an e-mail today, and, condescending prick that I am, I spun a little SQL and retrieved the answer from the UMDB. My own personal guess to the answer was well off the mark. If you want to play this game, post your guesses below. I'll probably be too busy today to run this as a classic guessing game with hints and stuff, at least for a while. But I'll be sure to post the answer, along with a healthy list of runners up, later this afternoon.

Andy Pettitte & Mariano Rivera hold the all time record for games combined for Wins & Saves. I believe Rivera saved 62 games for Pettitte. The second best total is the 57 games Dennis Eckersley saved for Bob Welch. And lastly, Mariano Rivera saved 55 games for Mike Mussina, which is 3rd. My question for you is what pair holds the Mets record in this category? I have had no luck in locating this answer.

[Frayed Knot]

Benitez/Leiter

I'd also like to take this opportunity to pre-emptively accuse anyone who does better than me in this contest of cheating.

Edited March 10, 2011 by Guest

[Guest Edgy DC]

Benitez/Leiter is a pretty good guess. Taken as it is, I'll go with, um, Gooden/Orosco.

[Ceetar]

Franco/Reed?

[Guest The Second Spitter]

[crossout:2sdoddux]"Hey Hey What Can I Do" - Led Zeppelin[/crossout:2sdoddux]

Reed/Franco

OE: Hey Edgy -- I thought you had Sid/Jesse? Nevermind

Edited March 10, 2011 by Guest

[metsmarathon]

bobby jones and franco

[batmagadanleadoff]

Didn't we have a thread on this question before? I like Jones/Franco, myself.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Jones Franco would be my guess as well.

By the way, I got that question too and referred the asker to you, since I screwed up and answered it as saves+ wins

[Gwreck]

Seaver/McGraw?

[Guest Edgy DC]

The Second Spitter wrote: [crossout]"Hey Hey What Can I Do" - Led Zeppelin[/crossout] Reed/Franco OE: Hey Edgy -- I thought you had Sid/Jesse? Nevermind

I lost faith and switched my guess.

[Willets Point]

I'll be back as soon as I find the answer on the web.

[Benjamin Grimm]

My incorrect guess was Leiter/Franco.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Franco has so many more saves than the next guy, he ought to be part of the right answer. But the starters during his tenure were less stable.

Tuff question!

[Theoldmole]

For a change of pace, Darling - Orosco.

[Guest The Second Spitter]

Reed had the most wins out of any starter in the Franco era.

OE And I'm guessing that he most of them before Benitez took over as closer.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I'll go Darling-McDowell for the hell of it. But Leiter-Benitez smells like a winner.

[Valadius]

Leiter/Benitez is my guess.

[Benjamin Grimm]

And our winner is... metsmarathon for being the first to guess Bobby Jones and John Franco.

Here are all combinations that total more than ten. (Regular season only. Only saves earned since 1969, when the stat became official, are counted.)

If the Mets are unable to avoid the dreaded 55th game this year, the Pelfrey/Rodriguez combo has a chance to make a run at the record.

30 Jones /Franco
23 Leiter /Benitez
19 Gooden /Franco
18 Fernandez /McDowell
18 Trachsel /Benitez
17 Viola /Franco
17 Darling /Orosco
16 Gooden /Orosco
15 Darling /Myers
15 Seaver /McGraw
15 Glavine /Wagner
14 Reed /Franco
14 Pelfrey /Rodriguez
14 Darling /McDowell
13 Cone /Myers
13 Leiter /Franco
13 Falcone /Allen
12 Perez /Wagner
12 Wendell /Benitez
12 Santana /Rodriguez
11 Gentry /McGraw
11 Saberhagen /Franco
11 Cone /Franco
11 Koosman /McGraw
10 Matlack /McGraw
10 Rusch /Benitez
10 Clark /Franco
10 Koosman /Lockwood
10 Zachry /Lockwood

[Guest Edgy DC]

	Allen	Benitez	Franco	Orosco	Lockwood	McDowell	McGraw	Myers	Rodriguez	Wagner
Clark			10
Cone			11					13
Darling				16		14		15
Falcone	13
Fernandez						18
Gentry							11
Glavine										15
Gooden			19	16
Koosman					10		11
Leiter		23	13
Matlack							10
Jones			30
Pelfrey									14
Perez										12
Reed			14
Rusch		10
Saberhagen			11
Santana									12
Seaver							15
Trachsel		18
Viola			17
Wendell		12
Zachry					10

[Guest Edgy DC]

Clark had 22 wins, 10 saved by Franco (45.45%).

Rusch had 19 wins, 10 saved by Benitez (52.63%).

Wendell had 22 wins, 12 saved by Benitez (54.54%).

Franco saved over 10 wins for eight different guys.

[HahnSolo]

Did Benitez not save any games for Bobby Jones?

[sorry, hte chart is for 10 or more.]

[G-Fafif]

Bobby Jones could have wandered in here, and John Franco could have followed him in eight innings later, and I doubt I would have come up with them.

Long live long-tenured Mets of the post-complete game era!

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I coulda sworn it was the dynamic duo of Matt Ginter and Orber Moreno.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Here's the full freakin' list. Please have it memorized by Tuesday.

30 Jones/Franco
23 Leiter/Benitez
19 Gooden/Franco
18 Fernandez/McDowell
18 Trachsel/Benitez
17 Viola/Franco
16 Darling/Orosco
15 Darling/Myers
15 Gooden/Orosco
14 Glavine/Wagner
14 Pelfrey/Rodriguez
14 Reed/Franco
14 Seaver/McGraw
13 Cone/Myers
13 Darling/McDowell
13 Leiter/Franco
12 Falcone/Allen
12 Perez/Wagner
12 Santana/Rodriguez
12 Wendell/Benitez
11 Cone/Franco
11 Gentry/McGraw
11 Saberhagen/Franco
10 Clark/Franco
10 Koosman/Lockwood
10 Koosman/McGraw
10 Matlack/McGraw
10 Rusch/Benitez
10 Zachry/Lockwood
9 Cook/Franco
9 Espinosa/Lockwood
9 Fernandez/Orosco
9 Glavine/Looper
9 Isringhausen/Franco
9 Maine/Wagner
9 Martinez/Wagner
9 McAndrew/McGraw
9 McMichael/Franco
9 Mlicki/Franco
9 Swan/Lockwood
8 Aguilera/McDowell
8 Aguilera/Orosco
8 Astacio/Benitez
8 Franco/Benitez
8 Gooden/McDowell
8 Gooden/Myers
8 Hampton/Benitez
8 Hernandez/Wagner
8 Leach/McDowell
8 Lynch/Sisk
8 Swan/Allen
8 Trachsel/Wagner
7 Cook/Benitez
7 Feliciano/Wagner
7 Fernandez/Myers
7 Lynch/Orosco
7 Ojeda/McDowell
7 Ojeda/Orosco
7 Reynoso/Franco
7 Scott/Allen
7 Seaver/Lockwood
7 Zachry/Allen
6 Appier/Benitez
6 Cone/McDowell
6 Dotel/Benitez
6 Fernandez/Franco
6 Gentry/Taylor
6 Heilman/Wagner
6 Orosco/Sisk
6 Seaver/Taylor
6 Seo/Looper
6 Torrez/Orosco
5 Berenyi/Orosco
5 Burris/Allen
5 Dipoto/Franco
5 Feliciano/Rodriguez
5 Gorman/Orosco
5 Harnisch/Franco
5 Koosman/Frisella
5 Leiter/Looper
5 Mahomes/Benitez
5 Matlack/Apodaca
5 Matlack/Lockwood
5 Parker/McGraw
5 Reed/Benitez
5 Sadecki/McGraw
5 Sanchez/Wagner
5 Sisk/Orosco
5 Sosa/Wagner
5 Stone/McGraw
5 Terrell/Orosco
5 Weathers/Benitez
4 Bomback/Allen
4 D'Amico/Benitez
4 Darling/Franco
4 Hernandez/Looper
4 Jones/Allen
4 Leiter/Weathers
4 Lidle/Franco
4 Maine/Rodriguez
4 Manzanillo/Franco
4 Martinez/Looper
4 McAndrew/Frisella
4 Orosco/McDowell
4 Rojas/Franco
4 Ryan/Frisella
4 Schourek/Franco
4 Smith/Ayala
4 Strickland/Benitez
4 Swan/Apodaca
4 Takahashi/Rodriguez
4 Trachsel/Looper
4 Whitehurst/Franco
4 Yoshii/Franco
3 Allen/Hassler
3 Berenyi/Sisk
3 Bohanon/Franco
3 Bomback/Reardon
3 Bradford/Wagner
3 Cardwell/McGraw
3 Chen/Benitez
3 Clark/Henry
3 Dickey/Rodriguez
3 Fernandez/Sisk
3 Frisella/McGraw
3 Gentry/Koonce
3 Glavine/Benitez
3 Gooden/Aguilera
3 Guetterman/Young
3 Hershiser/Franco
3 Jacome/Franco
3 Jones/Benitez
3 Kobel/Murray
3 Koonce/Taylor
3 Koosman/Apodaca
3 Koosman/Taylor
3 Lolich/Apodaca
3 Lynch/Allen
3 Machado/Franco
3 Maddux/Franco
3 McDowell/Orosco
3 Minor/Franco
3 Moreno/Looper
3 Mota/Wagner
3 Murray/Lockwood
3 Ojeda/Myers
3 Parnell/Rodriguez
3 Pe�a/Franco
3 Puleo/Allen
3 Pulsipher/Franco
3 Reardon/Allen
3 Reed/Wendell
3 Ryan/McGraw
3 Santana/Wagner
3 Schourek/Young
3 Seaver/Apodaca
3 Seaver/Frisella
3 Seaver/Orosco
3 Swan/Orosco
3 Tanana/Franco
3 Viola/Pe�a
3 White/Benitez
3 Wilson/Franco
3 Zambrano/Looper
2 Acosta/Rodriguez
2 Aguilera/Myers
2 Apodaca/Lockwood
2 Apodaca/Parker
2 Benson/Looper
2 Bruhert/Lockwood
2 Burke/Franco
2 Capra/McGraw
2 Cardwell/Taylor
2 Cone/Young
2 Cornejo/Lockwood
2 Crawford/Franco
2 Darling/Aguilera
2 Darling/Sisk
2 DeJean/Looper
2 Fernandez/Maddux
2 Fernandez/Young
2 Figueroa/Wagner
2 Frisella/Taylor
2 Gee/Takahashi
2 Glynn/Allen
2 Gooden/Pe�a
2 Hall/Baldwin
2 Harris/Allen
2 Hassler/Murray
2 Hausman/Lockwood
2 Hausman/Reardon
2 Heilman/Looper
2 Henry/Franco
2 Hershiser/Benitez
2 Innis/Franco
2 Innis/Young
2 Jones/Henry
2 Kobel/Allen
2 Koosman/Sanders
2 Leach/Myers
2 Leary/Sisk
2 Leiter/Wendell
2 Linton/Franco
2 Lynch/McDowell
2 Marshall/Allen
2 Matlack/Frisella
2 McAndrew/Taylor
2 Mlicki/Henry
2 Mlicki/McMichael
2 Myers/McDowell
2 Myrick/Lockwood
2 Ojeda/Franco
2 Padilla/Heilman
2 Parker/Miller
2 Pelfrey/Takahashi
2 Pelfrey/Wagner
2 Person/Henry
2 Redding/Rodriguez
2 Reed/Cook
2 Reed/McMichael
2 Riggan/Benitez
2 Ryan/Taylor
2 Sadecki/Parker
2 Sadecki/Taylor
2 Santana/Ayala
2 Seaver/Baldwin
2 Seaver/Sisk
2 Seo/Benitez
2 Sisk/McDowell
2 Smith/Franco
2 Stokes/Rodriguez
2 Stone/Capra
2 Stone/Parker
2 Taylor/McGraw
2 Telgheder/Franco
2 Telgheder/Maddux
2 Torrez/Sisk
2 Trachsel/Stanton
2 Twitchell/Glynn
2 Weathers/Looper
2 Williams/Frisella
2 Yates/Looper
2 Yoshii/Benitez
1 Aase/Myers
1 Acevedo/Wendell
1 Aguilera/Cone
1 Aguilera/Leach
1 Allen/Falcone
1 Allen/Glynn
1 Allen/Miller
1 Allen/Orosco
1 Allen/Reardon
1 Anderson/Orosco
1 Apodaca/Aker
1 Apodaca/Sanders
1 Armas/Wagner
1 Bacsik/Benitez
1 Bell/Looper
1 Benson/Heilman
1 Berenguer/Reardon
1 Berenyi/McDowell
1 Bernard/Cornejo
1 Blair/Franco
1 Bohanon/Lidle
1 Boitano/Allen
1 Bottalico/Looper
1 Burris/Glynn
1 Byrd/Franco
1 Byrd/Henry
1 Candelaria/McDowell
1 Candelaria/Myers
1 Capra/Frisella
1 Capra/Parker
1 Capra/Taylor
1 Castillo/Franco
1 Cerda/Benitez
1 Clark/McMichael
1 Cone/Guetterman
1 Cone/Leach
1 Cone/Pe�a
1 Cone/Schourek
1 Cornejo/Murray
1 Cornelius/Dipoto
1 Cornelius/Franco
1 Cornelius/Henry
1 Crawford/Rojas
1 D'Amico/Strickland
1 Darling/Aase
1 Darling/Fernandez
1 Darling/Gardner
1 Darling/Pe�a
1 Dessens/Acosta
1 Dessens/Rodriguez
1 Diaz/Allen
1 Diaz/Sisk
1 Dickey/Takahashi
1 Dickey/Valdes
1 Dipoto/Henry
1 Dipoto/Mlicki
1 Dipoto/Wallace
1 Draper/Young
1 Ellis/Glynn
1 Espinosa/Koosman
1 Estes/Benitez
1 Falcone/Leach
1 Falcone/Orosco
1 Feliciano/Looper
1 Feliciano/Putz
1 Feliciano/Takahashi
1 Fernandez/Anderson
1 Fernandez/Innis
1 Fernandez/Leach
1 Fernandez/Lynch
1 Fernandez/McClure
1 Fernandez/Pe�a
1 Figueroa/Ayala
1 Figueroa/Parnell
1 Figueroa/Rodriguez
1 Florence/Dipoto
1 Fortunato/Julio
1 Fortunato/Looper
1 Franco/Innis
1 Franco/Looper
1 Frisella/McAndrew
1 Frisella/Ryan
1 Gaff/Diaz
1 Gentry/Frisella
1 Glavine/Franco
1 Glavine/Heilman
1 Glavine/Hernandez
1 Glavine/Padilla
1 Glavine/Stanton
1 Glynn/Hassler
1 Glynn/Reardon
1 Gooden/Aase
1 Gooden/Burke
1 Gooden/Innis
1 Gooden/Lynch
1 Gooden/Maddux
1 Gooden/Whitehurst
1 Gooden/Young
1 Gorman/McDowell
1 Gozzo/Franco
1 Gozzo/Manzanillo
1 Green/Rodriguez
1 Guthrie/Benitez
1 Hall/Apodaca
1 Hall/Parker
1 Harnisch/Henry
1 Harris/Reardon
1 Hassler/Hausman
1 Hausman/Allen
1 Hausman/Scott
1 Heilman/Franco
1 Heilman/Weathers
1 Herbel/McGraw
1 Hernandez/Green
1 Hernandez/Heilman
1 Hernandez/Heilman
1 Hernandez/Rodriguez
1 Hershiser/Isringhausen
1 Hershiser/Wendell
1 Hillman/Franco
1 Hillman/Young
1 Holman/Orosco
1 Holman/Sisk
1 Hudek/Franco
1 Innis/Gozzo
1 Ishii/Looper
1 Isringhausen/Minor
1 Isringhausen/Wallace
1 Jackson/Reardon
1 Jones/Falcone
1 Jones/Innis
1 Jones/Maddux
1 Jones/McMichael
1 Jones/White
1 Jones/Young
1 Jordan/Franco
1 Kashiwada/McMichael
1 Knight/Ayala
1 Kobel/Glynn
1 Kobel/Koosman
1 Koosman/Capra
1 Koosman/Folkers
1 Koosman/Gentry
1 Koosman/Hennigan
1 Koosman/Parker
1 Latham/Orosco
1 Leach/Orosco
1 Leach/Searage
1 Leach/Sisk
1 Leary/Orosco
1 Leiter/Cook
1 Leiter/Guthrie
1 Leiter/Rojas
1 Leiter/Stanton
1 Leiter/Strickland
1 Leiter/Wheeler
1 Leiter/White
1 Lloyd/Benitez
1 Lockwood/Apodaca
1 Lockwood/Cornejo
1 Lockwood/Glynn
1 Lockwood/Sanders
1 Lockwood/Siebert
1 Lynch/Jackson
1 Lynch/Swan
1 Lynch/Zachry
1 Maddux/Young
1 Mahomes/Franco
1 Maine/Stokes
1 Martin/Benitez
1 Martinez/Bradford
1 Martinez/Feliciano
1 Martinez/Hernandez
1 Martinez/Schoeneweis
1 Mason/Franco
1 Matlack/Baldwin
1 Matlack/Hall
1 Matlack/Koosman
1 Matlack/Myrick
1 Matlack/Parker
1 Matthews/Looper
1 McAndrew/Stone
1 McClure/McDowell
1 McDowell/Myers
1 McGraw/Capra
1 McGraw/Herbel
1 McGraw/Koosman
1 McGraw/Parker
1 McGraw/Ryan
1 McGraw/Sadecki
1 McMichael/Benitez
1 McMichael/Wendell
1 Metzger/Murray
1 Miller/Falcone
1 Miller/Harris
1 Misch/Rodriguez
1 Mitchell/Myers
1 Mitchell/Orosco
1 Muniz/Wagner
1 Murray/Glynn
1 Musselman/Myers
1 Myers/Aguilera
1 Niemann/McDowell
1 Niese/Rodriguez
1 Nieve/Rodriguez
1 Nitkowski/Benitez
1 Nomo/McMichael
1 Nu�ez/McDowell
1 Ojeda/Aguilera
1 Ojeda/Gooden
1 Ojeda/Innis
1 Ojeda/Leach
1 Ojeda/Pe�a
1 Oliver/Wagner
1 Orosco/Gaff
1 Orosco/Lockwood
1 Orosco/Scott
1 Pacella/Allen
1 Pacella/Hausman
1 Padilla/Looper
1 Parker/Apodaca
1 Parker/Hennigan
1 Pelfrey/Feliciano
1 Pelfrey/Heilman
1 Pelfrey/Schoeneweis
1 Perez/Heilman
1 Perez/Rodriguez
1 Person/Franco
1 Person/Wallace
1 Puleo/Leach
1 Puleo/Lynch
1 Puleo/Scott
1 Reed/Lidle
1 Reed/Rojas
1 Reed/Watson
1 Reed/White
1 Remlinger/Franco
1 Reynoso/Borland
1 Roberts/Benitez
1 Rodriguez/Pelfrey
1 Rogers/Cook
1 Rusch/Cook
1 Rusch/Wendell
1 Ryan/Chance
1 Ryan/Koonce
1 Saberhagen/Manzanillo
1 Saberhagen/Mason
1 Saberhagen/Young
1 Sadecki/Apodaca
1 Sadecki/Folkers
1 Sadecki/McAndrew
1 Santana/Feliciano
1 Santana/Putz
1 Santana/Takahashi
1 Schiraldi/Orosco
1 Schiraldi/Sisk
1 Schoeneweis/Heilman
1 Schourek/Jones
1 Scott/Lynch
1 Scott/Swan
1 Searage/Allen
1 Seaver/Aker
1 Seaver/Hennigan
1 Seaver/Koonce
1 Seaver/Koosman
1 Seaver/Rauch
1 Seaver/Taylor
1 Sele/Wagner
1 Seo/Hernandez
1 Seo/Stanton
1 Smith/Schoeneweis
1 Soler/Bradford
1 Sosa/Feliciano
1 Stanton/Benitez
1 Stanton/Fortunato
1 Sterling/McGraw
1 Stokes/Ayala
1 Stone/Apodaca
1 Stone/McAndrew
1 Swan/Falcone
1 Swan/Leach
1 Swan/Murray
1 Swan/Myrick
1 Swan/Puleo
1 Takatsu/Hernandez
1 Tam/Cook
1 Tanana/Maddux
1 Tate/Apodaca
1 Tate/Baldwin
1 Tate/Sanders
1 Taylor/Johnson
1 Taylor/Koonce
1 Taylor/McAndrew
1 Terrell/Diaz
1 Terrell/Sisk
1 Todd/Apodaca
1 Todd/Lockwood
1 Trachsel/Roberts
1 Trachsel/Weathers
1 Trachsel/Wheeler
1 Twitchell/Hausman
1 Valdes/Rodriguez
1 Valdes/Takahashi
1 Valera/Franco
1 Viola/Myers
1 Viola/Whitehurst
1 Walker/Benitez
1 Walter/Orosco
1 Watson/Franco
1 Watson/Wendell
1 Weathers/Moreno
1 Webb/Sanders
1 Wendell/Franco
1 Wendell/Rojas
1 Wheeler/Looper
1 Wheeler/Weathers
1 White/Franco
1 Whitehurst/Guetterman
1 Whitehurst/Schourek
1 Whitehurst/Simons
1 Williams/McGraw
1 Williams/Wagner
1 Young/Whitehurst
1 Zachry/Apodaca
1 Zachry/Baldwin
1 Zachry/Cornejo
1 Zachry/Murray

[Guest Edgy DC]

HAH! Lee Guetterman.

[MFS62]

I had a suspicion that Koosman/ Lockwood would be on the list. But I never expected to see their total tied with Zachry/ Lockwood.
Good stuff.
Thanks.
Later

[seawolf17]

Funny. Santana/Pelfrey isn't on that list, therefore the whole thing is invalidated. Please see that it is.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Santana wasn't the winning pitcher in the game that Pelfrey saved.

[Guest Edgy DC]

If he had been, he would have been pitching for 19 innings.

[seawolf17]

Maybe if he DID, this team wouldn't have sucked last year.