Red Sox win Crawford?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Markets have a wy of correcting themselves if you're not the first one in and you don't panic.

[metirish]

Edgy DC wrote: Markets have a wy of correcting themselves if you're not the first one in and you don't panic.

Or totally falling asunder .

No way Alderson goes beyond five years on any player, at least that's what I think form listening to him.

[seawolf17]

metirish wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Markets have a wy of correcting themselves if you're not the first one in and you don't panic. Or totally falling asunder . No way Alderson goes beyond five years on any player, at least that's what I think form listening to him.

Fine. Five years, $110 million.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, part of what I'm driving at is that --- if Crawford is really a relevant comp --- Alderson has some time to chew on it.

I remember feeling all mopey when Jeter signed his (insane) ten-year deal, wondering how the Mets could possibly afford Edgardo Alfonzo. Two years later, Alfonzo's contract was up and Steve Phillips came in low. Wisely or not, it was the correct move.

[Ceetar]

attgig wrote: I would think 5 years at anual jeter money could sway reyes... he's what, 28? gets him through 33. and if he keeps himself healthy, could set him up for a final contract till 40....

I think he might sign for less money a year than that this Spring. Before other teams can call him and tell him how much they think he's worth.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

seawolf17 wrote: metirish wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Markets have a wy of correcting themselves if you're not the first one in and you don't panic. Or totally falling asunder . No way Alderson goes beyond five years on any player, at least that's what I think form listening to him. Fine. Five years, $110 million.

Loco

[A Boy Named Seo]

metirish wrote: Another thought might be that the shenanigans with AG has allowed them to give Crawford this deal and AG will get a similar one next season. Crawford doesn't know it yet but his off seasons will now be spent playing for Liverpool.

Funny.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I mean, we know David Wright is worth 15-20% more than Reyes... keep in mind that the Reyes precedent is going to inform the Wright contract.

[duan]

Edgy DC wrote: Well, part of what I'm driving at is that --- if Crawford is really a relevant comp --- Alderson has some time to chew on it. I remember feeling all mopey when Jeter signed his (insane) ten-year deal, wondering how the Mets could possibly afford Edgardo Alfonzo. Two years later, Alfonzo's contract was up and Steve Phillips came in low. Wisely or not, it was the correct move.

that's the bit where I realised that people who you think know nothing still sometimes know more then you.

[seawolf17]

Edgy DC wrote: I mean, we know David Wright is worth 15-20% more than Reyes... keep in mind that the Reyes precedent is going to inform the Wright contract.

Well, we don't "know" anything. I say identical five year, $110 million contracts for each of them.

[metirish]

seawolf17 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I mean, we know David Wright is worth 15-20% more than Reyes... keep in mind that the Reyes precedent is going to inform the Wright contract. Well, we don't "know" anything. I say identical five year, $110 million contracts for each of them.

Pretty white boy gets more.....

[Frayed Knot]

The one good thing about Crawford going to the Sox is that he was supposedly the back-up plan for the Yanx if they fail to land Lee.
The idea is that they'd sign Crawford and then package Brett Gardner up with C/DH Jesus Montero or maybe one of their other minor league catchers and go trolling for pitchers through the trade route: Grienke, Garza, etc.

[smg58]

Fangraphs has Reyes' performance over the past two season as being worth $15M total. Yeah, he lost time to injury, but he's done so in the past as well, and do you really want to bank that much on injury history not repeating?

[metirish]

Frayed Knot wrote: The one good thing about Crawford going to the Sox is that he was supposedly the back-up plan for the Yanx if they fail to land Lee. The idea is that they'd sign Crawford and then package Brett Gardner up with C/DH Jesus Montero or maybe one of their other minor league catchers and go trolling for pitchers through the trade route: Grienke, Garza, etc.

Of course now they are trying to sell the idea that " they were never really in for him anyway"....

[Guest Edgy DC]

seawolf17 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I mean, we know David Wright is worth 15-20% more than Reyes... keep in mind that the Reyes precedent is going to inform the Wright contract. Well, we don't "know" anything. I say identical five year, $110 million contracts for each of them.

Sure we do. By every reasonable measure, Wright has outplayed and outhealthed Reyes all along, and he's worth more than his teammate. He knows it and his agents sure know it.

[ashie62]

smg58 wrote: Fangraphs has Reyes' performance over the past two season as being worth $15M total. Yeah, he lost time to injury, but he's done so in the past as well, and do you really want to bank that much on injury history not repeating?

What happens if the Mets sign Reyes for 5 years at a big number and Jose goes down? Thats a big Matzoh ball hanging out.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I didn't know Jose Reyes was Jewish!

Oh, and any multi-year contract carries a risk of injury. Maybe Jose is more of a risk than some others, but overall, he's been on the field a lot more than he's been off.

[Vic Sage]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I didn't know Jose Reyes was Jewish! Oh, and any multi-year contract carries a risk of injury. Maybe Jose is more of a risk than some others, but overall, he's been on the field a lot more than he's been off.

"maybe"?
and "on the field alot more than off"? Is that really the criteria?

[Guest 86-Dreamer]

Coco Crisp was younger than Carl Crawford when he arrived at Fenway, and played a fine centerfield if I recall correctly. Carl may work out better than Coco, but I would not bet that much money on it.

[A Boy Named Seo]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Another thought might be that the shenanigans with AG has allowed them to give Crawford this deal and AG will get a similar one next season. Crawford doesn't know it yet but his off seasons will now be spent playing for Liverpool. Funny.

From the tweets:

pgammo Peter Gammons
Carl Crawford wanted to wear a red tie to his presser . COO Sam Kennedy gave him a Liverpool FC tie, thus merging MLB and Premier League

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Funny.

If they grab Upton in a couple of years, he'll be excited about wearing a Liverpool tie... or, actually, maybe not at all:

TheRealBJUpton You guys know I am a huge soccer fan so please support the Didier Drogba Foundation - Please follow @FondationDrogba About 10 days ago

A fellow Blue-Loving Douchebag?

[bmfc1]

Tom Boswell says the the Red Sox got the a leftover when they signed Crawford instead of Werth:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/10/AR2010121006172.html

Frankly, it came across as if it was written by an Nationals fan. Werth isn't close to the player that Crawford is.

[Frayed Knot]

It's more like he's trying to claim that Crawford is simply a bad fit for Fenway, something the (selected) stats seem to bear out.
I tend to not like to over-rely on those situational stats although, for an in-division player with most of nine seasons in the bigs and over 300 ABs in Boston, the sample size is decently large to where there probably is at least some truth to it particularly since the 'vs BoSox' stats are very different in Boston as opposed to in St Pete.