Red Sox win Crawford?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

7 year, $142 M deal, acccording to SGOTI (some guy on the internet)

Source: The Red Sox have a seven-year, $142 million deal done with Carl Crawford. 10 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone Retweeted by 100+ people PeteAbe Pete Abraham

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Is Crawford a $20 million hitter?

Say goodbye to Jose Jose.

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Is Crawford a $20 million hitter? Say goodbye to Jose Jose.

I hope he does $20 million of damage to the Yankees. or something.

please extend Jose soon.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

MFYs will almost certainly counter with Lee, you'd think.

Reyes is a goner I think.

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: MFYs will almost certainly counter with Lee, you'd think. Reyes is a goner I think.

They'll try anyway. Still not sure if I'd rather they get stuck with him sucking for 6+ years, or them not get him, Brett Pettitte really retire, and they're begging us for Oliver Perez.

[MFS62]

I guessin' this stops the Beltran to the Sox rumors.

Later

[batmagadanleadoff]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Reyes is a goner I think.

I'm not sure I follow. Are you sayin' that the Mets can't afford to spend $20M for a ballplayer? Or that the Red Sox are significantly wealthier than the Mets? Or something else?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I'm saying Reyes looks for "Crawford money" in his next deal and the new sensible Mets don't cough it up.

[Valadius]

He's not stupid. He knows he has to get back to 60+ steals to be worth it.

[batmagadanleadoff]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm saying Reyes looks for "Crawford money" in his next deal and the new sensible Mets don't cough it up.

How would you feel about that? It's too early to tell, but what if Reyes returns to top-form in 2011?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I think he's very good but prolly not a top-tier salary deservin kind of guy, and I don't think he's reliable.

He's no Rickey Henderson.

[batmagadanleadoff]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I think he's very good but prolly not a top-tier salary deservin kind of guy, and I don't think he's reliable. He's no Rickey Henderson.

Yeah. Whaddya think Rickey would command in salary today, if he were in his prime?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

In-his-prime Rickey is worth about this much, I think. Though you can't really play him in center for best results either.

But, yeesh... Ye. Gods.

[DocTee]

I guessin' this stops the Beltran to the Sox rumors.

But starts the Beltran to MFY ones.

20M? sheesh.

[Frayed Knot]

So now a corner OF (even though a very good one) who never hit 20 HRs and sports a mediocre OBA (.337 career - peaked at .354) is now hauling in $20mil+/yr ?

Nice player - and at least he's at a good age for the signing* - but geez!!





* although so was Beltran

[Valadius]

Ugh.

The Red Sox lost all their underdog points with me when they won the 2007 World Series.

[metirish]

So now a corner OF (even though a very good one) who never hit 20 HRs and sports a mediocre OBA (.337 career - peaked at .354) is now hauling in $20mil+/yr ? Nice player - and at least he's at a good age for the signing* - but geez!! * although so was Beltran

WOW, without looking I would have thought Crawford had some monster type years......

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/crawfca02.shtml


fucks sake like....nice player but not that nice

[Ceetar]

Wonder what Angel Pagan gets if he puts up similar or slightly better (more RBI/Runs due to a better team) the next two years.

[Frayed Knot]

Just a thought:
If this was the deal Boston DID give Crawford, what kind of numbers were they hung up on that prevented them from reaching an agreement with Gonzalez?
One report had it more over years (six vs eight) than money - but, aside from speed, AG is a much better offensive player and they're the same age.

[metirish]

Another thought might be that the shenanigans with AG has allowed them to give Crawford this deal and AG will get a similar one next season.

Crawford doesn't know it yet but his off seasons will now be spent playing for Liverpool.

[Guest attgig]

metirish wrote: WOW, without looking I would have thought Crawford had some monster type years...... http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/crawfca02.shtml

right there with you... not the prototypical 20 mil a year type of guy... but I guess Werth upped the market? That makes me wonder, was Werth more desirable than Crawford?

[Guest attgig]

Ceetar wrote: Wonder what Angel Pagan gets if he puts up similar or slightly better (more RBI/Runs due to a better team) the next two years.

He needs to up his steals like crazy to compare himself to Crawford. But, if beltran gets traded, and Pagan mans CF with great defense, that might do it too.

[Ceetar]

attgig wrote: Ceetar wrote: Wonder what Angel Pagan gets if he puts up similar or slightly better (more RBI/Runs due to a better team) the next two years. He needs to up his steals like crazy to compare himself to Crawford. But, if beltran gets traded, and Pagan mans CF with great defense, that might do it too.

Obviously he's got some improving to do, but not even that much. he did produce more WAR than Crawford last year even.

Lots of long contracts going out. Makes you wonder. Conspiracy theory wise (It's the offseason, let's conspire away), Could owners sense that a salary cap may be emminent and are either looking to prolong the date that it could happen (after the last expiring contract?) or maybe try to preempt a competitive advantage by having guys grandfathered in?

[Guest Edgy DC]

There ain't gonna be no salary cap.

[ashie62]

Well, I guess Anaheim or the MFY's are the next to belly up.

Reyes is not necessarily a goner. After the Mets win the WS in 2011 and Reyes goes apeshit maybe he gets paid. If its "Hammy" Reyes shows up in 2011 then maybe the Mets can do better at SS.

[MFS62]

Back to Crawford. I remember reading in his fifth year that he had a chance to become the first player in major league history to improve in BA, HR and RBI in each of his first five years. He just missed (RBI in his fifth year).

Since then, his power has leveled off and he is predominantly a player who has speed as his biggest asset. The legs can either be good for a long time (Rickey Henderson) or start to decline earlier (Luis Castillo). There aren't too many Rickeys around.
Of course, he won't have as much ground to cover in Fenway Park, saving his legs a bit.
But once that speed starts to go, and he has nothing else to provide, those Boston fans may begin to get real nasty.

Later

[seawolf17]

Nine years, $165 million for Reyes. Make it happen, Sandy.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

seawolf17 wrote: Nine years, $165 million for Reyes. Make it happen, Sandy.

Loco.

[batmagadanleadoff]

DocTee wrote: 20M? sheesh.

Makes me wonder just how much money the richest teams are actually earning. The Red Sox are a smart organization.

[Guest attgig]

I would think 5 years at anual jeter money could sway reyes... he's what, 28? gets him through 33. and if he keeps himself healthy, could set him up for a final contract till 40....