Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 Judging relief pitching is a cloudy business. Cloudy and emotional. Bruce Sutter for the Baseball Hall of Fame? Sure. Bruce Sutter before Rich Gossage? Wait, really?Take John Franco for instance. Our ranking system says he's the top releiver in Mets history. His length of tenure and consistency of performance certainly speak well of him. But reasonable folks may disagree. He never anchored a championship bullpen, never closed out a championship, never led his team emotionally from oblivion to a pennant with a ralllying slogan.And you know, that's fine. Franco gave the number off his back to Mike Piazza and turned around and took a number off of Tug McGraw's back. He don't mind sharing in a legacy. And it is in that spirit that we ask you to share in the voting for the 2010 Franco McRosco Award for Outstanding Mets Relief Pitcher.Below we have listed the statistics for all Mets pitchers as relievers. Stoppers, closers, LOOGys, ROOGys, swingmen, eighth-innnig guys, longmen, shortmen, horses, mules, donkeys, gophers, firemen, gasmen, emergency men, HazMat men, touniquets, bandages, and syringes loaded with pure adrenaline --- all are present. Who's the best? Heck if we know. That's why we need you.Please vote for five guys. Your top guy gets five points, your second guy gets four, etc. The top point receiver will be your recipient of the 2010 Cranepool Forum Franco McRosco Award for Outstanding Mets Relief Pitcher.PlayerWLERAGSVSVOIPHRERHRHBPBBSOWPCTTBBKWPIBBSBCSPKGOAOGO/AOWHIPSLGOBAAVGPANPP/IPHLDGFK/BBBB/9K/9H9M. Acosta322.95411339.2301313401842.6004503123035331.181.21.328.308.21915763816.11122.304.089.536.81E. Dessens422.30530147411412431616.6676500613158521.231.21.380.314.24019470915.11161.003.063.067.85R. Dickey000.0010010000011.0000000000020.001.00.000.250.00041717101.009.009.000.00P. Feliciano363.30920162.2662423163056.3338101600088303.271.53.335.367.273280110917.723161.904.318.049.48S. Green003.8611009.176414812.000110032001334.331.61.314.404.2004819320.7201.507.7111.576.75R. Igarashi117.12340030.1292424401825.5005103110030311.101.55.447.348.25413556518.62111.405.347.428.60J. Mejia023.25300127.2291010231517.0003903120050124.421.59.358.370.26612749317.8281.104.885.539.43P. Misch000.0060044000002.0005000000824.501.00.333.267.267155413.5120.000.004.509.00F. Nieve235.18390240342323821933.4006702210041401.131.33.450.322.22817369417.4691.704.287.437.65B. Parnell012.8341023541131110833.0004900201049134.081.40.353.333.29514958816.89104.102.068.4910.54M. Pelfrey000.0011111000010.0001000000212.002.00.250.400.25051818010.009.000.009.00O. Perez029.00100013181313431410.0003401210012151.002.46.654.493.3467129122.4040.709.696.9212.46F. Rodriguez422.2053253057.1451414322167.6676513441148461.071.15.308.289.21323697016.90463.203.3010.527.06T. Stoner013.861002.13110010.0005000000414.001.71.500.364.300113816.3000.003.860.0011.57H. Takahashi622.04418857.1431513202260.7506301712054431.331.13.301.280.20623596016.73212.703.459.426.75R. Valdes335.23371353.1563231632351.5009302111043530.911.48.445.346.26823896918.2282.203.888.619.45
seawolf17 Old-Timey Member Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 "McRosco"? You're losing it. I'm going all Joe Girardi and interrupting this commercial to bring in the closer. You're done, kid.TakahashiRodriguezFelicianoMejiaParnellApologies to Elmer Dessens, who apparently has pitched in about 100 games in the last two years even though I've never seen him actually pitch.
Fman99 Old-Timey Member Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 TakahashiRodriguezParnellAcostaFeliciano
Chad ochoseis Old-Timey Member Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 Takahashi - great job doing everything asked of himRodriguez - I hope the closest he ever gets to Flushing again is Rikers Island. That being said, a 2.20 ERA is a 2.20 ERA.Feliciano - 2010 is becoming a vague memory, but I'm thinking he didn't suck against righties, either.Dessens - I kind of sort of remember him. And a 2.30 ERA is a 2.30 ERA.Parnell - Zoom!Honorable mention to Nieve. His numbers stunk overall, but that was because Jerry's flowchart didn't include "rest Nieve". He did a great job until he didn't do a great job.
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 Chad Ochoseis wrote:His numbers stunk overall, but that was because Jerry's flowchart didn't include "rest Nieve".Kaboom.
Vic Sage Old-Timey Member Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 - Takahashi- Rodriguez- Parnell / Feliciano / Dessens / Acosta (pick three)
Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Guests Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 Takahashi-- Nice ERA, nice strikeout numbers, suspiciously nice HR rate. I wonder if that holds for his next team.Rodriguez-- Pitches/IP was just about what Takahashi posted... which was average-to-slightly-above-average for the 'pen. Which is kinda shocking, considering how many 30-pitch 9ths my brain seems to recall.Parnell-- The WHIP was pretty much all due to some HRs and bleeders. That walk rate was surprising... and bodes well for the future.Feliciano-- The best of the nice-on-paper dregs (that walk rate and WHIP are just plain grotesque); only here because of the reliability against lefties and the workload.Acosta-- Is there such a thing as a three-true-outcomes pitcher? Great season, by his standards.HONORABLE MENTION: Dessens-- If you ever actually watch the guy pitch... looking at his end-of-year numbers is as mind-blowing as the Wizard of Oz/Dark Side... thing.Chad Ochoseis wrote:His numbers stunk overall, but that was because Jerry's flowchart didn't include "rest Nieve". He did a great job until he didn't do a great job.A fair point. But to be even fairer, Nieve's numbers stunk because he kind of stinks.
Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket Guests Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 TakahashiParnellDessensFelicianoAcostaI'm gonna be one of those vindictive asshole guys who leaves off a candidate he doesn't like personally.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 Voted a fifth-place tie between Parnell and Acosta:5 Takahashi4 Rodriguez3 Dessens2 Feliciano0.5 Parnell0.5 AcostaIf that's not kosher, then please give Parnell the full point and drop Acosta.
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:TakahashiParnellDessensFelicianoAcostaI'm gonna be one of those vindictive asshole guys who leaves off a candidate he doesn't like personally.Oh, shit.
ashie62 Old-Timey Member Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 FelicianoRodriguezTakahashiAcostaNieve
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 RodriguezTakahashiPFelicianoDessensParnell
G-Fafif Old-Timey Member Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 TakahashiRodriguezFelicianoValdesNieveI'll say this for K-Rod -- he wants to be here (gettin' paid) in 2011. Takahashi has abandoned us.
batmagadanleadoff Old-Timey Member Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Takahashi and K-Rod's relief stats are similar. So then why the disparity in WAR?K-Rod 57.1 IP/2.1 WARTak 122 IP/1.3 WARWas Tak so bad as a starter that his starter WAR approached -1.0?Tak the starter:WHIP 1.45ERA 5.01ERC 5.03IP 64.2K 54BB 21H 73http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching/_/hand/left/split/127/league/nl/type/sabermetric/order/false/minip/40
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