krod out for the year

[Guest Edgy DC]

attgig wrote: so, the question rears its head again... who's our closer?

Anybubby or nobubby. Closers are a frivolous luxury and an excuse for overplayed heavy metal sampling.

I'm sorry it took the guy getting hurt for this to shake out so well. But it's a best-case scenario.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Gwreck wrote: 2:1 Parnell 4:1 Takahashi 6:1 Feliciano 10:1 Igarashi 20:1 Field

I'd like to hear what Paddy Power is offering on Cordero, Dessens, and Perez before I put my money down.

I also see Mejia re-entering the picture in September if the Mets somehow play their way back into the race.

[seawolf17]

I want Ollie to close.

[Zvon]

seawolf17 wrote: I want Ollie to close.

Why not?
Being that he seems to have ADD, lets see if he can focus for an inning with one simple goal.

[seawolf17]

Zvon wrote: Why not? Being that he seems to have ADD, lets see if he can focus for an inning with one simple goal.

Exactly. Maybe this is what he needs; a new role. Just let him go out there and let it fly.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I kinda like that idea too as a kind of last-resort redemption and to prove that (almost) anyone can be an adequate closer given the right opportunity.

Might also help the Mets save some face (their accountants at least) by justifying Ollie's $$ as a bargain given what they typically waste on a closer.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Ollie's shot. His fast ball tops out at 87 MPH. He's never had any success without his mid 90's fastball. And Manuel and Warthen have both said publicly that Ollie's no better now than a few months ago when the Mets finally took him out of the starting rotation. He hasn't had a single appearance this season without walking at least one batter. They might as well ask me to pitch the 9th innings.

The last place this guy belongs is on the 25 man roster. (Although two weeks from now, the major league rosters expand).

[Zvon]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Ollie's shot. His fast ball tops out at 87 MPH. He's never had any success without his mid 90's fastball. And Manuel and Warthen have both said publicly that Ollie's no better now than a few months ago when the Mets finally took him out of the starting rotation. He hasn't had a single appearance this season without walking at least one batter. They might as well ask me to pitch the 9th innings. The last place this guy belongs is on the 25 man roster. (Although two weeks from now, the major league rosters expand).

I said last night they should fire someone just to shake things up. Upon thinking about this I think the malaise starts from the very top and spreads down like a cancer.
So don't fire a coach or manager (can't say Jerry doesn't try to keep things positive) because it really won't make any difference for right now.

If they are not gonna use Perez for anything like the start vs the Phils Saturday night, or out of the pen when it counts, especially since it seems the organization has given up on this season, then YES, release him, please.

Start there.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

seawolf17 wrote: I want Ollie to close.

"Vote for me-- the 'Fuck It' Candidate!"

[Guest Edgy DC]

The downside to this is that Rodriguez can't be traded or released while he's on the DL. So while the Mets spend what promises to be at least a partially protracted battle trying to effect the voiding of the contract, he'll remain on the roster until Spring Training at least.

[nymr83]

I'd like to see all the guys in the bullpen pitch based on matchups, not innings. So if lefty-righty-lefty-lefty are the 4 guys due up in the 6th, or the 9th, feliciano gets the call. if the 3-4-5 hitters are due up in the 8th, you put your best reliever (whoever you think that is at the time) in for the 8th, instead of saving him for the 9th

oh and i would LOVE to see the mets push the contract issue, even if it ends poorly (him still getting paid)

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy DC wrote: The downside to this is that Rodriguez can't be traded or released while he's on the DL. So while the Mets spend what promises to be at least a partially protracted battle trying to effect the voiding of the contract, he'll remain on the roster until Spring Training at least.

The Mets could do whatever the hell they wanna do. They're holding the money. Advantage Mets. They could, for example, announce that they're cutting K-Rod effective immediately and withholding the rest of whatever money he's owed, on grounds that he injured himself by engaging in conduct prohibited by his contract (assuming there is such a clause in the contract, as a prerequisite), and that K-Rod is no longer the player the Mets bargained for when they signed him. Then K-Rod'll sue, and the system (whether a court of law or arbitration, depending on the contract) will determine whether the Mets were justified or not.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm pretty certain he'd remain on the roster until the legality of their voiding the deal is sorted out.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy DC wrote: I'm pretty certain he'd remain on the roster until the legality of their voiding the deal is sorted out.

Maybe. But often, you don't know for sure until you try. Anyway, I'm just theorizing, and blindly at that, insofar as I have no idea what's in K-Rod's contract.

[metirish]

@KBurkhardtSNY: On Krod Mets front office spokesman statement "we are exploring all of our options"

[A Boy Named Seo]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: seawolf17 wrote: I want Ollie to close. "Vote for me-- the 'Fuck It' Candidate!"

LOL'ing.

[batmagadanleadoff]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Edgy DC wrote: The downside to this is that Rodriguez can't be traded or released while he's on the DL. So while the Mets spend what promises to be at least a partially protracted battle trying to effect the voiding of the contract, he'll remain on the roster until Spring Training at least. The Mets could do whatever the hell they wanna do. They're holding the money. Advantage Mets. They could, for example, announce that they're cutting K-Rod effective immediately and withholding the rest of whatever money he's owed, on grounds that he injured himself by engaging in conduct prohibited by his contract (assuming there is such a clause in the contract, as a prerequisite), and that K-Rod is no longer the player the Mets bargained for when they signed him. Then K-Rod'll sue, and the system (whether a court of law or arbitration, depending on the contract) will determine whether the Mets were justified or not.

According to the ESPN Sportscenter ticker crawl, the Mets will attempt to void the remainder of K-Rod's contract. No further news as of yet.

If so, the Mets will have decided that K-Rod breached the contract when he engaged in a physical altercation with his common law father in law.

[Benjamin Grimm]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: According to the ESPN Sportscenter ticker crawl, the Mets will attempt to void the remainder of K-Rod's contract. No further news as of yet.

Good for them! I wonder how much of a chance this has. Has it ever been attempted before? I seem to remember something with Jeff Kent a few years ago, but nothing ever came of it. (Was it something to do with a motorcycle? Or basketball? The details escape me.)

[G-Fafif]

seawolf17 wrote: I want Ollie to close.

...the door behind him after it hits him in the ass on his way out of town.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Jon Heyman wrote: The Mets are looking into the possibility of voiding closer Francisco Rodriguez's contract, SI.com has learned. If the team is successful in doing so, they could save at least $17 million, and potentially more. They are looking into whether the contract, for $37 million over three years, can be voided based on Rodriguez injuring himself outside the course of play. Rodriguez suffered torn thumb ligaments during a fight with his girlfriend's father. Rodriguez has been charged with assault in the case. Rodriguez has apologized for the incident, but that might not get him off the hook. Team sources suggest the voiding of the contract is something that's on the table for team higher-ups. Rodriguez's salary is $11.5 million in 2010 and also in 2011. He has a $17.5 million vesting option for 2012 with a $3.5 million buyout. That option vests with 100 games finished in 2010 and 2011 combined or 55 games finished in '11, so it's unlikely the option would go into affect anyway. The players union might have a position on this though, as the Mets were only able to suspend Rodriguez initially for two games due to the power of the players union. General manager Omar Minaya said publicly the team didn't regret the contract. But perhaps behind the scenes, there are different thoughts being discussed.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

General manager Omar Minaya said publicly the team didn't regret the contract. But perhaps behind the scenes, there are different thoughts being discussed.

Yeah, perhaps.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: According to the ESPN Sportscenter ticker crawl, the Mets will attempt to void the remainder of K-Rod's contract. No further news as of yet. Good for them! I wonder how much of a chance this has. Has it ever been attempted before? I seem to remember something with Jeff Kent a few years ago, but nothing ever came of it. (Was it something to do with a motorcycle? Or basketball? The details escape me.)

It was rumored that Kent injured himself while riding a motorcycle. I don't remember if the Giants opted to forgive Kent, or if the team lacked the evidence it would need to succesfully void Kent's contract. A team might decide to look the other way for fear of some future backlash from free agents or players with the right to veto a trade.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

The O's tried to release Sidney Ponson a few years back for repeated drunk-driving and battery of a police officer, and wound up with a fight on the hands from the union. I don't recall who won.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I'd like to know how the "behavior" or "morals" clause is written. Does a player simply have to engage in the prohibited activity for his actions to constitute a breach, or does the action have to result in a serious and permanent injury? Or something else?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Can't find the results of the Ponson thing. What happened was, the O's voided the deal and released Ponson citing the "uniform player contract" stating a player may be terminated if he shall

"fail, refuse, or neglect to conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship or to keep himself in first-class physical condition or to obey to the club's training rules."

The ensuing union grievance went to an arbitrator who was to decide how much $$ if any was owed to Ponson

So, it looks like if the Mets don;t mind a fight they can excuse themselves of his salary at least for now. Jay Horwitz says more info on their course of action today, which signals to me a decision on how to proceed was already made.

Hit the road, Frank.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

The O's tried to release Sidney Ponson a few years back for repeated drunk-driving and battery of a police officer, and wound up with a fight on the hands from the union. I don't recall who won.

Actually, a judge. Anyhow:

Free-agent pitcher Sidney Ponson recently settled with the Orioles over a grievance after being released by the club in 2005, according to a report by The Associated Press. Ponson had one season left on a three-year deal that would have paid him $10 million in 2006, before he was released by the club as Orioles owner Peter Angelos contended the contract was void because of Ponson's conduct and problems with alcohol. Ponson asserted that the Orioles owed him $10.1 million, but the amount of the settlement reached on Dec. 17 was subject to a confidentiality agreement, Ponson's agent, Barry Praver, told the AP. However, a report by FOXSports.com said that Ponson received nearly all of the money he was seeking and that the Orioles also paid for it with luxury tax dollars.

[HahnSolo]

Astros voided Shawn Chacon's contract after he hit Ed Wade last year, and they won.

I think this is just talk from the Mets. I don't think they have the stomach for the fight.

[Frayed Knot]

I was just about to mention the Astros winning a judgement against Chacon so maybe that gives the Mets some hope on this front.
But the bottom line is that there's not a lot of precedence on this one way or the other so most of what we're going to hear about how this eventually turns out will be 99% guess-work at this point.

[Guest Edgy DC]

HahnSolo wrote: Astros voided Shawn Chacon's contract after he hit Ed Wade last year, and they won.

Carlos Pena for GM!

[Ceetar]

I can't see any scenario where voiding his contract would be a good thing. Sure, he is and is going to be overpaid, but if we voide it, we'll have a lesser bullpen going forward. and that's bad.