Galarraga and Joyce (split from OOTS)

[Chad ochoseis]

HahnSolo wrote: Ballsy if he were really safe. Bad when the guy is clearly out.

Well, ballsy either way. He called a close call as he saw it, knowing the stakes.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Already updated in paragraph four: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Joyce

And don't forget the leadoff sentence, too...

James A. Joyce III (October 3 1955 - June 2, 2010) is the very worst umpire in Major League Baseball who has worked in the American League (AL) from 1987 to 1999 and throughout both major leagues since 2000. He attended Bowling Green State University. He wears uniform number 66 (he wore uniform number 6 while in the American League). His strike call is extremely loud and enthusiastic, similar to that of now-retired umpire Bruce Froemming. Joyce has umpired in the All-Star Game (1994 and 2001), the Division Series (1995, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, and 2003), the League Championship Series (1997, 2004, 2006), and the World Series (1999 and 2001). After graduating from Bowling Green State University in 1977, he umpired in the Midwest League (1978-1979), the Florida Instructional League (1978), the Texas League (1980), the Pacific Coast League (1981-1986, 1988), the International League (1987), and the Dominican League (1983). Joyce was the second base umpire when Nolan Ryan recorded his 5,000th career strikeout and was the first base umpire when Robin Yount reached his 3,000th hit. On June 2, 2010, Joyce blew a call at first base which would have given Armando Galeragga of the Detroit Tigers a perfect game*[1]. His crew for the 2008 season included crew chief Tim Tschida, Jeff Nelson, and Mark Carlson. His crew for the 2009 season includes crew chief Derryl Cousins, Bill Miller, and Brian Runge. His crew for the 2010 season includes crew chief Derryl Cousins, Marvin Hudson and Jim Wolf.

[Frayed Knot]

Jim Joyce, Don Denkinger.
Don Denkinger, Jim Joyce.

[Guest themetfairy]

I thought Galarraga's foot was in the air and may not have touched the base before the runner got there.

[nymr83]

seawolf17 wrote: Already updated in paragraph four: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Joyce Damn, that article is getting blasted hard right now. Fascinating.

wikipedia wrote: James A. Joyce III (October 3 1955 - June 2, 2010) is the very worst umpire in Major League Baseball who has ...

wikipedia is like a big ugly message board where everyone wants to be hte first to post about something regardess of accuracy.
if i were wikipedia i'd ban for life whoever added a "death date" for Joyce.

[Guest Kong76]

Can't you just hear the replay gods bangin' their drums in
the distance? If you can't, you will in the coming weeks and
months ahead.

[Zvon]

I'd put this on TV but then my AM radio goes kabhlooey.

My priorities are my priorities.

Ill watch BB2nite

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

In-freaking-credible!

[Guest Edgy DC]

seawolf17 wrote: Already updated in paragraph four: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Joyce Damn, that article is getting blasted hard right now. Fascinating.

Something like fifty updates in the last ten minutes.

[nymr83]

could someone protest the game to MLB?
In any situation EXCEPT this one you can say "well we dont know what would have happened" the rest of the way, but here if they change that call there is no more game to be played

[A Boy Named Seo]

Nymr83 wrote: Already updated in paragraph four: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Joyce Damn, that article is getting blasted hard right now. Fascinating. wikipedia wrote: James A. Joyce III (October 3 1955 - June 2, 2010) is the very worst umpire in Major League Baseball who has ... wikipedia is like a big ugly message board where everyone wants to be hte first to post about something regardess of accuracy. if i were wikipedia i'd ban for life whoever added a "death date" for Joyce.

I totally missed the death date. That's sorta funny as long as he doesn't actually get murdered tonight.

[Frayed Knot]

Kong76 wrote: Can't you just hear the replay gods bangin' their drums in the distance? If you can't, you will in the coming weeks and months ahead.

Weeks and months?
This is going to start so soon that you may even get a baseball discussion going on ESPN tomorrow during breathing breaks in their constant LeBron/Kobe/Celtics/Phil Jackson gab-fest.

[bmfc1]

[Frayed Knot]

Nymr83 wrote: could someone protest the game to MLB?

Hell no.

[Guest themetfairy]

bmfc1 wrote:

Is the foot actually down on the bag at that moment?

[Chad ochoseis]

It doesn't look clear that he's caught the ball yet, either. I'd really like to see a slow-motion replay.

[seawolf17]

themetfairy wrote: Is the foot actually down on the bag at that moment?

What are you, Jim Joyce's sister? Dude was out. Yes, it was a bang-bang play, but... still.

[nymr83]

Chad Ochoseis wrote: It doesn't look clear that he's caught the ball yet, either. I'd really like to see a slow-motion replay.

they showed one on ESPN (they cut to the game from STL/CIN in the 9th), he was OUTTT

[Guest themetfairy]

seawolf17 wrote: themetfairy wrote: Is the foot actually down on the bag at that moment? What are you, Jim Joyce's sister? Dude was out. Yes, it was a bang-bang play, but... still.

LOL no. But Galarraga covered the base really awkwardly, and I'm just not convinced that his foot was actually down on the bag in time.

I'd love to see a slow mo replay from the other angle.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm sure you will, more times than you'll know.

Meanwhile at wikipedia.org:
This page is currently protected from editing due to vandalism.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

I suspect Joyce has just worked his last Tigers game, possibly ever.

[Guest Edgy DC]

An afterthought, but if the ruling (however incorrect) is that he beat the runner but didn't have possession, can't MLB rule that an error and at least award him the consolation prize of a no-hitter?

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy DC wrote: An afterthought, but if the ruling (however incorrect) is that he beat the runner but didn't have possession, can't MLB rule that an error and at least award him the consolation prize of a no-hitter?

I'm not sure if MLB has ever over-ruled a scorer to do something like that.

Edited June 2, 2010 by Guest

[bmfc1]

"Jim Joyce was distraught. "Most important call of my career and I kicked the s$&t out of it. I cost that kid a perfect game.""

Peter King SI_PeterKing

What a great moment in Comerica:Jim Joyce apologizes to Galarraga, Galarraga accepts, they hug. Class by Joyce, incredible class by the kid.

Edited June 2, 2010 by Guest

[nymr83]

I'm not sure if MLB has ever over-ruled a scorer to do something like that.

they've change hit/error calls in the past and added RBIs, etc.

[Frayed Knot]

Nymr83 wrote: I'm not sure if MLB has ever over-ruled a scorer to do something like that. they've change hit/error calls in the past and added RBIs, etc.

Official scorers have changed their own prior decisions after the fact, but has MLB ever gone over the heads of one and over-ruled an official scorer?

[seawolf17]

It's the Tigers' scorer, right? Could he/she go back and do that him/herself now? Would that be crass?

[metirish]

bmfc1 wrote: "Jim Joyce was distraught. "Most important call of my career and I kicked the s$&t out of it. I cost that kid a perfect game."" Peter King SI_PeterKing What a great moment in Comerica:Jim Joyce apologizes to Galarraga, Galarraga accepts, they hug. Class by Joyce, incredible class by the kid.

Is this true?, if so then great. It doesn't help when every freaking baseball reporter is tweeting how this will define Joyce. Gallaraga is class for saying what he said.

[Guest themetfairy]

If so, that's a real shame for the kid.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Frayed Knot wrote: Nymr83 wrote: I'm not sure if MLB has ever over-ruled a scorer to do something like that. they've change hit/error calls in the past and added RBIs, etc. Official scorers have changed their own prior decisions after the fact, but has MLB ever gone over the heads of one and over-ruled an official scorer?

This isn't an official scorer's call. A scorer may decide, among other things, whether a batter that has reached base safely, did so as a result of a hit or error. But the scorer does not get to decide whether the batter, as a preliminary matter, has a right to reach base safely. The scorer doesn't decide whether the play is a hit or out.

Anyway, I feel bad for all involved. No doubt that if Joyce had the magic wand, he'd reverse his call.