Jerry Manuel temperature check

[Benjamin Grimm]

Ceetar wrote: What'd you use to calculate this anyway? I was trying to find somewhere to do and and couldn't.

I have a vast and powerful database at my fingertips.

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Ceetar wrote: What'd you use to calculate this anyway? I was trying to find somewhere to do and and couldn't. I have a vast and powerful database at my fingertips.

<----jealous.

[Vic Sage]

can Jerry's temperature be checked rectally?
with a cactus?

[Ceetar]

Vic Sage wrote: can Jerry's temperature be checked rectally? with a cactus?

I'm pretty sure that would look pretty much like Monday-Wednesday's games.

[ashie62]

Nice record for Bobby V.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Ashie62 wrote: Nice record for Bobby V.

Hey! Go figure!

[Frayed Knot]

Just on a quick glance and without bothering to fully dive into the research, I suspect that above list would show (with the usual small sample caveat) that a manager's one-run game pct would fall within spitting distance of his overall W/L pct. So the fact that Davey's and Bobby's and Gil's are all not only good but also better than Jerry's is not surprising ... and probably not all that telling either.

Comparing Jerry's to his overall Met record shows that we "should have" won about 4 or 5 more one-run games than the 40 of 91 that we did.
Five games, over two and a half seasons. Maybe that's something, or maybe it's just statistical noise.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yeah, I don't know what to conclude, aside from the obvious: that you don't fuck with Hondo.

Manager	W	L	W%	1-RW	1-RL	1-RW%	DIF
Howard	52	64	.448	23	16	.590	.141
Stengel	175	404	.302	69	115	.375	.073
Westrum	142	237	.375	53	69	.434	.060
Torre	286	420	.405	107	133	.446	.041
Randolph	302	253	.544	81	65	.555	.011
Green	229	283	.447	77	93	.453	.006
Valentine	536	467	.534	178	155	.535	.000
Bamberger	81	127	.389	28	44	.389	-.001
Howe	137	186	.424	38	52	.422	-.002
Hodges	339	309	.523	124	114	.521	-.002
Berra	292	296	.497	100	107	.483	-.014
Parker	4	7	.364	1	2	.333	-.030
Torborg	85	115	.425	26	40	.394	-.031
Johnson	595	417	.588	182	155	.540	-.048
Frazier	101	106	.488	32	41	.438	-.050
Manuel	174	177	.496	40	51	.440	-.056
Harrelson	145	129	.529	38	46	.452	-.077
McMillan	26	27	.491	4	9	.308	-.183
Cubbage	3	4	.429	1	4	.200	-.229

[batmagadanleadoff]

What it means is that Randolph was the luckiest, no?

[Ceetar]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: What it means is that Randolph was the luckiest, no?

Well I'd say the 2006 bullpen was one of the better ones in recent memory, and even the early 2007 bullpen featured a lot of simliar qualities. Wagner was lights out in 2007 early. Closer no-hitter, etc. (sorta like this year..hmm...) HAving a good bullpen probably is what got him those 1-run wins.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

3-12 in walkoffs this year; 40-52 in one-run games.

[ashie62]

I believe the true problem with the Mets is ownership. The Wilpons don't seem to be "all in". They are behaving is if they are running the team with scared money. The Mets are a team in transition.

[batmagadanleadoff]

From "The Greatest Game Ever Played" thread:

batmagadanleadoff wrote: In an extra inning game, I'd use my most effective available reliever -- effective defined by the circumstances (opposing batters, base/out situation) as much as by the pitcher's own abilities. Given the sudden death-like nature of extra innings, I can't see holding back on the most effective pitcher. Your team won't bat in the 11th inning if you're losing after 10 innings.

Here's what I think is wrong with Jerry and Dan's thinking:

Let's assume that Perez was destined to give up that home run no matter when he appeared, and that K-Rod could pitch no more than one inning.

K-Rod, by pitching a scoreless 13th, extends the game for at least another inning, and gives the Mets at least one more half inning to score. If the Mets score one run in the 14th, than the home run that Perez would yield is not necessarily the walk-off game winner. And if the Mets put up a crooked number in their half of the 14th, the Dodger solo homer doesn't even tie the game.

It's not only about maintaining the tie. A tie at the end of the extra inning necessitates another inning, and another scoring opportunity for the road team.

[batmagadanleadoff]

The first Met teams that I rooted for obsessively had the best one-two relief pitching punch in all of baseball.



McGraw and Frisella were unhittable, and pitched whenever the game was on the line, irrespective of the inning. Back then, reliever usage was determined by the pitcher's ability, by the game and base/out situation, and by the identity of the opposing batters ... not by the inning number. We've regressed over the last 20 years. Because it makes eminent sense to match the reliever to the game situation, rather than to the inning.

[Benjamin Grimm]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: We've regressed over the last 20 years. Because it makes eminent sense to match the reliever to the game situation, rather than to the inning.

I agree. It's really mind-boggling.

[seawolf17]

Dang, I wish those guys weren't both dead, because that SN cover would look really cool autographed.

[MFS62]

Vic Sage wrote: can Jerry's temperature be checked rectally? with a cactus?

If the Mets lose a few more games in a row, I think the only way they'll be checking Jerry's temperature will be with a thermometer in his liver.

Later

[Zvon]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: The first Met teams that I rooted for obsessively had the best one-two relief pitching punch in all of baseball. McGraw and Frisella were unhittable, and pitched whenever the game was on the line, irrespective of the inning. Back then, reliever usage was determined by the pitcher's ability, by the game and base/out situation, and by the identity of the opposing batters ... not by the inning number. We've regressed over the last 20 years. Because it makes eminent sense to match the reliever to the game situation, rather than to the inning.

I really think for the last 15 or so years there were players, specifically hitters, who had as high an energy level in the 9th as they did on the first pitch of the game. To off set this the one inning specialist was needed more, cause what they wanted to fight it with was a fresh and rested arm for the later innings.

I really, really hope those days are behind us and baseball adjusts back to when the players were not juicing.

And also, with today's advances in health and stamina and whatnot, that are legal, maybe it never goes back to what it once was.
But the pendulum should swing back somewhat the other way.

[Benjamin Grimm]

So, what time do the heads roll? Will I have to stay up until 3 a.m.?

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: So, what time do the heads roll? Will I have to stay up until 3 a.m.?

Supposedly they'll have meetings today, but won't be making any announcements. Will they leak to media? who knows..

[ashie62]

Zvon wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: The first Met teams that I rooted for obsessively had the best one-two relief pitching punch in all of baseball. McGraw and Frisella were unhittable, and pitched whenever the game was on the line, irrespective of the inning. Back then, reliever usage was determined by the pitcher's ability, by the game and base/out situation, and by the identity of the opposing batters ... not by the inning number. We've regressed over the last 20 years. Because it makes eminent sense to match the reliever to the game situation, rather than to the inning. I really think for the last 15 or so years there were players, specifically hitters, who had as high an energy level in the 9th as they did on the first pitch of the game. To off set this the one inning specialist was needed more, cause what they wanted to fight it with was a fresh and rested arm for the later innings. I really, really hope those days are behind us and baseball adjusts back to when the players were not juicing. And also, with today's advances in health and stamina and whatnot, that are legal, maybe it never goes back to what it once was. But the pendulum should swing back somewhat the other way.

That looks suspiciously like the Dune Buggy Frisella rolled causing his death.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Omar says: Nobody gets fired... today.

[ashie62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Omar says: Nobody gets fired... today.

wuss

[ashie62]

What does it friggin take for the Mets to enact change?

[batmagadanleadoff]

Ya Gotta Reprieve (or You Got A Reprieve)

Sources: Mets won't fire any coaches NEW YORK -- The New York Mets' coaching staff will remain intact when the team opens a homestand Tuesday evening against the St. Louis Cardinals. The decision to leave the staff untouched came during organizational discussions via conference call on Monday, two sources told ESPNNewYork.com.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5411825