Jerry Manuel temperature check

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think I know how this is going to go, but let's do this anyway.

[TransMonk]

I'm done with him. Time to move on.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Well, look. They probably won't do something right ahead of the MFY series, but right after? Is that a vote for NOW!!!!?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Consider RIGHT NOW to mean AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

[metirish]

Hire the Nets new owner and have him fire him while chatting with the beat writers.

Seriously, it was good for a few weeks but it's time to go.

[Ceetar]

I think I've almost become infamous for how I feel about Manuel.

I would've fired him after '08, after May of '09, after '09, two weeks ago, and Monday.

But hey, when they fired Willie, I really felt like the team needed a fresh voice, not just the voice that happened to be there already just maybe not as vocal.

[Gwreck]

We already have a prediction poll as to what the Mets will do -- this is what they should do, and that is show Jerry the door this second. Not this afternoon, NOW!!!

[G-Fafif]

If I could think of something Manuel is bringing to the table, something in the way of player handling or strategy or anything that I thought might pay off if given a little time or a change of luck, I wouldn't say he should go. I don't like insisting that people should lose their livelihoods (though four-plus months remain on a contract that reportedly pays him approximately $1.5 million per season). But I can't think of any upside to Jerry Manuel any longer. Gangsta and focusing Jose Reyes and having the departing pitcher wait on the mound for his replacement was all a very long time ago. Jerry was enchanting in the aftermath of Willie and eventually rode a few hot bats and a couple of live arms to an outstanding stretch of contending baseball. The bats haven't been hot and the arms haven't been live since that portion of 2008.

Go in peace, Jerry. But go.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I'm with Gwreck. It's 10:30 a.m. right now, and I'd like to see him fired by 10:31.

If that doesn't work out, then let's try 10:32.

[Fman99]

I wish I could have voted for "yesterday."

[Ceetar]

G-Fafif wrote: If I could think of something Manuel is bringing to the table, something in the way of player handling or strategy or anything that I thought might pay off if given a little time or a change of luck, I wouldn't say he should go. Go in peace, Jerry. But go.

Well, I heard Wayne talking about how he had Wright and Reyes go out and stand in the box while Pelfrey through a bullpen session yesterday. Supposedly to help Pelfrey focus on a strike zone (This is something Warthen does too, I've got pictures of him standing in the box for Pelfrey. don't know if he does it for all guys, or what), but I don't nkow how much this helps.

For Wright and Reyes, this was supposed to get them used to seeing and tracking pitches at almost game speed. Supposedly he got the idea from watching Bonds do it every day when he (don't know which team he was with at the time) would go to Candlestick for a three games series against the Giants.

This seems like a cool idea, and maybe it'd even help. That patience drill he did with Frenchy in spring may have helped too, but it always seems like Manuel's trying out too many gimmicks, mainly reactionary, and that it's a cover for not really having any answers. Either way, these aren't exactly representing any insight from Manuel, and are things that can be done without him.

[G-Fafif]

Jerry Manuel for roving instructor. Somebody else for manager.

[G-Fafif]

Oh, and as far as the Jerry Manuel temperature check, it's 73 degrees in Washington right now. He can probably shed the light jacket.

[Benjamin Grimm]

He's going to try to bunt the temperature up to 74.

[ashie62]

It should not be 90 degrees in Washington but the Mets have made it so. Sorry Jerry, no time like the present..Bye

[metirish]

Hojo can go with him , again , not to overstate what they do but I think he has done little with some excellent hitters. Dan Wharton I think has done some good with little. Ollie I think is a special case.

[ashie62]

12-0 for the "nows"

[Guest Edgy DC]

Bloody hell.

[Guest themetfairy]

ASAP

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

A "how much would you pay to see Jerry Manuel fired" poll might have been more competitive.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I'm on board for Jerry's firing ... his tactics are just too absurd. But I'm disagreeing with everyone who thinks he's worse than Willie, or that he's doing things that even Willie never did. Twice, Willie sac bunted in the first inning of a road game against the Rockies ... Jerry's got nothing on Willie.

I'd also add that Jerry's being unfairly punished for last year's lost season of injuries, even though management openly denied that they'd blame the manager for 2009. If 2009 never happened ... if these six weeks of play came on the heels of the end of 2008, the call for Jerry's head wouldn't be as heated as it is.

[Gwreck]

You realize that's a Wallace Matthews idea you're putting in support of your point, right?

In all seriousness, I think it is true that Jerry is not being evaluated on 2008 and 2010 alone but it also must be considered that Jerry did a pretty awful job in the last two or three weeks of 2008 which certainly negated much of the goodwill he earned following Willie's departure.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Gwreck wrote: You realize that's a Wallace Matthews idea you're putting in support of your point, right?

That back page is from September of 2008. I'm not defending the 2010 Jerry.

[Ceetar]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: A "how much would you pay to see Jerry Manuel fired" poll might have been more competitive.

I've gone on record saying I'd buy a couple of tickets to the FLA-SD Homestand if they fire Manuel.

If they ditch Warthen and Hojo too, I'll splurge on Ceaser's Club seats.

[ashie62]

Oh, screw Jerry Manuel

[Guest sharpie]

I'm for booting him now but between Jerry and Willie, I'm coming down on Jerry's side. That being said, we can and should do much better.

[Benjamin Grimm]

We're no longer unanimous. Current totals are 17-1-0.

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: We're no longer unanimous. Current totals are 17-1-0.

Guess Jerry Manuel found the forums.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

In my mind, he doesn't get a free pass for 2009. Things started shaky-- with the ill-conceived oppo-field drills and the like-- and ended worse (with Tatis and Omir regularly getting starts over Evans, Thole and the younguns). He was dealt a terrible hand-- by injuries and Omar-- but he essentially just played it out, foregoing most every opportunity he had to get something with future value out of the resources at hand.

If that 1 "give him more time" vote is from someone other than Zvon, I'd be curious to hear the logic behind it.

[Centerfield]

I've already said how I feel about Manuel. I'm just curious why we're so fired up to fire Jerry. To me, Omar is the far bigger culprit here.

Get on Jerry about the bullpen and bunting (all of it very well-deserved), but this team is much, much more than just a few x's and o's away from winning. I mean, we're clamoring to get Chris Carter more at-bats.

Omar Minaya is far more to blame here than Jerry Manuel.

For my write-in, put me down for "I don't really care so long as Omar is canned first."