National Disgrace (Split from Met-Lovin' Big Shots)

[stevejrogers]

But you are listening to the other talking heads on the air.

Look, sports is like politics - everyone can go and make predictions, but predictions are frequently wrong, especially the farther out from the action you really are. My first rule of politics is this - don't listen to pundits. The talking heads on sports radio, TV, and print are the same thing for sports - pundits. And they're frequently wrong. There's no reason to listen to them.[/quote:52hodu15]

Yes there are reasons to listen to them. For all bluster from say O'Reilly or Matthews, or Hannity or Olbermann, or Van Sustram or whomever Fox, CNN or MSNBC pundit you pick there is every now and then nuggets of news or a new way of looking at things that you didn't realize.

To close your mind off is just as bad as you say their empty opinions are.

So who do you get your news from?[/quote:52hodu15]

Actual news, facts, and statistics, with opinion kept strictly out of the equation. AP, AFP, Reuters, etc. I can make my own judgments.[/quote:52hodu15]

Then don't listen to my podcast then, since I'm sure I'm going to be shredding the Mets and the Wilpon's every so often, because I'm not a news gatherer, I'm an opinion guy. Oh sure I'll have facts and stats to back me up. But other than that, what is the difference between what I'm going to be recording this weekend, and what you can hear on your local sports talk radio program?

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Get your news from newspapers!

Now, I call BS on the following:

"I'll counter that with the Mets have been a poorly run franchise since 1991 (Straw leaves, Johnson is fired and Cashen retires) with the exception of a few blips of success.

They are a bigger disgrace than the Pirates and Royals because there are no expectations for the Pirates and Royals and clearly their ownerships take no risks at all. The Mets should be run more like the Twins, Angels or Cardinals, hell even the Dodgers have sustained successes with blips of horrid seasons.

The Mets are more like the Tom Hicks Rangers or the Peter Angelos Orioles.

BTW, you think the Mets aren't a joke on a national level?

Bonds for Mets' Citi Field lowered to 'junk' status

If its not getting TARP money from the naming rights deal, its the owner getting caught in the middle of the biggest ponzi scheme in history. The franchise has taken several national hits in the financial world as well as the sports department and late night television."

Wilpon getting caught in the ponzi scheme has nothing to do with the team, the naming rights came before the TARP money. Since 1991, they've reached the post-season in 1999, 2000 and 2006, which isn't bad in the grand view of things.

Disgraceful owners are the one who charge Major-League prices for a product they have no intention of improving and pocket millions in revenue-sharing dollars. That's a big FY to the fans. I find that more insulting than two-thirds of the team getting hurt or not overpaying for some free agent pitcher who just happens to be the best one available in a shallow pool.

Do the Mets do some stupid things? Of course. They're also in a bigger fishbowl that the other teams, whose missteps go pretty much unwatched.

Wear your interlocking NY proudly, Steve. The ORANGE one. And don't give a rat's ass about what the columnists say.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Yes there are reasons to listen to them. For all bluster from say O'Reilly or Matthews, or Hannity or Olbermann, or Van Sustram or whomever Fox, CNN or MSNBC pundit you pick there is every now and then nuggets of news or a new way of looking at things that you didn't realize.

To close your mind off is just as bad as you say their empty opinions are.[/quote:2eadodl4]

Are we really having a conversation here about the merits of open-mindedness?

Leaving aside the merits of the 'news sources' you're ticking off-- and if you're shopping at late-night talk shows and the Beck-Olbermann-Hannity shop for your fact groceries, man, you're more often than not winding up malnourished-- I don't think there's a single person on this Forum who dismisses Met-critical voices out of hand. Now, knee-jerk skepticism regarding sources that tend toward dismissive blowhard-iness (Francesa, e.g.), lazy/awful writing (Matthews), faulty logic (Chass) or factual inaccuracy/bias (Heyman)... well, yeah, guilty as charged. I'm pretty sure that doesn't make me the sort of Pollyanna regarding Metsiana that you're describing. (Or, more accurately, seeing in fleeting, illusory glimpses in the figurative woodwork.)

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Then don't listen to my podcast then, since I'm sure I'm going to be shredding the Mets and the Wilpon's every so often, because I'm not a news gatherer, I'm an opinion guy. Oh sure I'll have facts and stats to back me up. But other than that, what is the difference between what I'm going to be recording this weekend, and what you can hear on your local sports talk radio program?[/quote:3b1bk001]

I thought I'd stay out of this, as Stevie Jeets has called me an asshole in the past and boyoboy did it sting, but this is the first thing I have read on the Internet in quite a while that has literally made me laugh out loud.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I know. I was thinking, "Worst. Plug. Ever."

[metirish]

Hilarious

Steve is on my 100 most influential list .

[stevejrogers]

I know. I was thinking, "Worst. Plug. Ever."[/quote:1kx8aut9]

Heh. Speaking of which, I need to get you on that show next month, make sure the bet is acknowledged on more than just here.

I meant that more along the lines of, don't be so arrogant that your opinion is the only one that matters, even if you think someone blathering on TV or on the radio is a POS. I don't care if you disagree with an opinion or not, but to shut yourself from hearing opinions period, or as I said, kill the messenger because you have a problem with the message, is just as arrogant as say Mike Francesa acting as if his opinion is the absolute truth.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

A couple of the folks at whom you're hurling turds are admins on the forum, no?

So if they were prone to dismissing/shutting out/silencing dissenting views, they could do so a lot more easily and simply than explaining themselves or arguing with them, yes?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Steve, you can read my post on the bet in the "Predicitons Archives." It's a matter of record. You can also give folks the URL. Else, I will decline to appear, although I'm sure Rogers & Hoyt has HIT written all over it.

[stevejrogers]

A couple of the folks at whom you're hurling turds are admins on the forum, no?

So if they were prone to dismissing/shutting out/silencing dissenting views, they could do so a lot more easily and simply than explaining themselves or arguing with them, yes?

[TransMonk]

There are too many BOCs in here to count...some of them unintentional and ironic.

Definitely the most entertaining thread of 2010 so far.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think this is the first time I've ever seen anyone decline an invitation to a train wreck.

[metirish]

Steve, you can read my post on the bet in the "Predicitons Archives." It's a matter of record. You can also give folks the URL. Else, I will decline to appear, although I'm sure Rogers & Hoyt has HIT written all over it.[/quote:1mrexaap]


I'd even pay for that show......

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Steve, you can read my post on the bet in the "Predicitons Archives." It's a matter of record. You can also give folks the URL. Else, I will decline to appear, although I'm sure Rogers & Hoyt has HIT written all over it.[/quote:2n3kdtyx]

YOU STINKING COWARD!

[Valadius]

Steve, you can read my post on the bet in the "Predicitons Archives." It's a matter of record. You can also give folks the URL. Else, I will decline to appear, although I'm sure Rogers & Hoyt has HIT written all over it.[/quote:kezc3r4f]

Sounds like an 80's detective series.

[Willets Point]

I really want Edgy to appear on that podcast.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Never woulda happened had Rogers not counted talk-radio jocks as "big shots."

[Valadius]

I'd like to hear a podcast with Edgy and Josh Fruhlinger.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

I'd like to hear a podcast with Edgy and Josh Fruhlinger.[/quote:1i0e1bud]


Or Josh and SeaWolf telling us about their Jeopardy experiences.

"I'll take self-loathing fans for $200, Alex!"

[batmagadanleadoff]

Then don't listen to my podcast....?[/qu

I'd prefer to wait for the transcript version.

[Frayed Knot]

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Edited February 11, 2010 by Guest

[Frayed Knot]

Steve,
If you're going to respond to what I write at least respond to what I write while you're responding to what I write otherwise don't respond to what I write.
Alright?

[Fman99]

SJR rules, the CPF wouldn't be the CPF without this kind of banter.

As for news, I get mine from the trivia questions printed on the outside of my instant oatmeal packets, like all civilized human beings do.

[Guest Kong76]

Jeets is a good guy, as many of us can corroborate. When stuff like
this flies off the deep end I figure he's either missed a day of meds or
doubled up by accident.

I think Edge should grant an interview on Steve's show in the coming
months. G-Fafif would be a good guest, as well as J C Lunchgrabber.
Almost forgot Ben Grimm ... the databaseman!!!

[stevejrogers]

Heh, I do have Greg and LunchUniWatcher in mind down the road, but from my experience around here I'd have a better shot getting JSW52 out of seclusion than I do getting Ben on!

Then again, I wouldn't mind just referring to someone as their Internet user name, I mean if I had Edge on I'd just call him Edgy the whole time.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Heh, I do have Greg and LunchUniWatcher in mind down the road, but from my experience around here I'd have a better shot getting JSW52 out of seclusion than I do getting Ben on! [/quote:knaaomo5]

Sometimes Steve can be quite perceptive.

(JSW52???)

[metirish]

I like Kase's idea , although now I'm thinking a round table type deal with Rogers in the Tavis Smiley/Charlie Rose role.

Edited February 12, 2010 by Guest

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think Edge should grant an interview on Steve's show in the coming
months. G-Fafif would be a good guest, as well as J C Lunchgrabber.
Almost forgot Ben Grimm ... the databaseman!!![/quote:3t9861kv]
You first, Peer-Pressure Man.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Heh, I do have Greg and LunchUniWatcher in mind down the road, but from my experience around here I'd have a better shot getting JSW52 out of seclusion than I do getting Ben on!

[G-Fafif]

I was fortunate enough to receive somebody's corporate third base Field Level tickets several times in 1999, including the night the Mets came back on David Wells and beat the Blue Jays in 14 innings. One of the touchstones for me and my friend who usually joined me in those seats was the sight of WEISSMAN 52. Game situation would come up and my buddy would say something to the effect of, "Yeah, but do you think Weissman would bunt here?" Something about the personalized jersey (maybe the number) amused us no end. Had no idea he was creating the template folks like me would go on to follow.