Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 I guess it's a mix of #3 and #4. I do think Willie showed a lot of confidence in Heilman by giving him two high-pressure innings late in the game last night.I'd like to see him have a good month before I declare him "all the way back" but as I've said all year, I think the suckage at the beginning of the year was more an anomaly than anything else.
Fman99 Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 ... bearded.How about a choice that says "no idea." I'm baffled by his up/down-itude.
metirish Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 Still has a way to go , right now I would grade him E , for effort.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 I think it's a positive sign; something to build on.If he can go two or three more weeks with more good outings than bad, maybe get that ERA down into the low 4's, then I'll be more comfortable that the badness is behind him.For now though, I'm reserving judgment.
Guest holychicken Guests Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 Heilman has a way of making me say "YEAH BABY! HE'S BACK!" the game before he gives up a 3 run homer to blow a lead or let the opposition's lead grow to virtually unscaleable heights.So I am just going to say he has a ways to go. . .
Fman99 Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 Benjamin Grimm wrote:I think it's a positive sign; something to build on.If he can go two or three more weeks with more good outings than bad, maybe get that ERA down into the low 4's, then I'll be more comfortable that the badness is behind him.For now though, I'm reserving judgment.This is the camp that I'm in also. Surely he looked good yesterday but let's see him string a bunch more of those together.
metirish Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 I think part of the problem is that no matter how good he is he will always be a big hit away from getting mauled by the Shea crowd.
Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 metirish wrote:I think part of the problem is that no matter how good he is he will always be a big hit away from getting mauled by the Shea crowd.I think that's a problem for the Shea crowd, not for Heilman.Being booed last year didn't stop Willie from using Schoeneweis, and being booed the last 2 months of last year and this year didn't stop Schoeneweis from being good.Can't see how it'd be any different in this case.
metirish Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 Yes I should have made that clear , it's the crowds problem , but it can have an effect I think.
Guest AG/DC Guests Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 Fman99 wrote:... bearded.How about a choice that says "no idea." I'm baffled by his up/down-itude.Perfectly legitimate response, but I forgot to say: There's a gun to your head.
Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket Guests Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 ...an above-average reliever coming off the worst 6 weeks of his career.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 I just wonder if he's been hiding some aches and/or pains, like Schoeneweis did last year.Or maybe it was just a lack of focus/concentration, and he's on the verge of snapping out of it. That would be better than the ache and/or the pain.
Guest AG/DC Guests Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:...an above-average reliever coming off the worst 6 weeks of his career.Sounds like choice two.
Vic Sage Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 i was there last night, and he was so totally dominant in his 2 innings that it was inspiring. that being said, i'd like to see a few weeks of excellence before his appearances elicit anything more than nervous dread
nymr83 Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 i voted "still has a ways to go", but the last two outings have at least given me hope that he can get back to where he was.
Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket Guests Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 Bah. He's very consistent. His career shows consistent goodness, with a consistent drawback (HR propensity) and most recently has been consistently disappointing.I'm OK choosing 2, though I'm not convinced he's turned the corner necessarily. If anything I agree with Grimm, who feared he might have been hiding an injury and can be hopeful that the classikc Heilman's return means he feels a little better.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 Speaking of Schoeneweis, anyone notice that he's sporting a 1.35 ERA and 0.90 WHiP this season including only 1 run allowed in his last 13 IPs?He's faced approx 50/50 RH/LH batters this season compared to about 60/40 last season so maybe the usage pattern has helped him.His R/L splits are still pretty wide but he appears to be managing it better.
Guest AG/DC Guests Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 In a binary world where any appearance giving up a run is a failure and an appearance without giving one up is the only success, they can all be called inconsistent. I'd say he's been more consistent than most.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 I remember noting last year at some point that Heilman tended to have feast-or-famine quality to his outings - far more so than most relievers it seemed.His appearences tended to be either perfect or perfectly lousy. This year is like last year only with more bad outings than good plus wilder extremes.
Guest Rockin' Doc Guests Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 Very good performance last night was a step in the right direction, but he still has a way to go before I think he's back to his prior level of performance. He needs a few more good outings to boost his confidence, or at least mine.
smg58 Old-Timey Member Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Pitchers in general, and relief pitchers in particular, can lose their form quickly and sometimes regain it just as quickly. I'm cautiously optimistic regarding Heilman. The Mets will need 85+ innings of quality from at least one reliever, and Heilman is still the most likely guy to give that.
Fman99 Old-Timey Member Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 AG/DC wrote:="Fman99"]... bearded.How about a choice that says "no idea." I'm baffled by his up/down-itude.Perfectly legitimate response, but I forgot to say: There's a gun to your head.Stupid Second Amendment. In that case, I amend my vote to "Ready to Be a Useful Contributor." Optimism abounds.
Guest mario25 Guests Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Heilman blows...end of freakin discussion! He should be the long man when a starter gets taken out early...He CANNOT handle the 7th and 8th innings
Guest AG/DC Guests Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 mario25 wrote:Heilman blows...end of freakin discussion! He should be the long man when a starter gets taken out early...He CANNOT handle the 7th and 8th inningsHey, um, way to place your bet after the horses are in.
Guest mario25 Guests Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 I have been saying Heilman is not right for the 7th and 8th innings for a long time.... he will probably go somewhere and be a good starter because that is what he wants to do...he has given up some huge homers over the years including playoffs in the set uprole...
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