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[A Boy Named Seo]

from the KTE:

]I hear what Darling said, and he has a point,...yet i respect what Delgado did there.

I taped it and watched last night, but had the Braves telecast. What did Darling say?

I kinda figured on that one, F the fans. Carlos Delgado isn't some kicked-around dog happy to have finally made his belligerent owner happy.

I've never sung a boo before, but even if I was cheering my bag off for a curtain call, I wouldn't have felt slighted. Would you?

Thankfully The Post maintains perspective:

]With thousands of fans brandishing giveaway foam fingers yesterday at Shea Stadium, Carlos Delgado essentially gave everyone The Finger.

[metirish]

I thought Gary and Ron went on far too long about Delgado right after that home run. I thought Ron played both sides of the argument , NY fans are a tough crowd , Delgado is a smart guy , fans play a lot of money , players get played a lot yyybbb. Gary IIRC seemed to think that Delgado should have come out for the call and remarked upon the Beltran curtain call , Ron thought Beltran was right to come out for that but seemed to think that Delgado didn't need to come for this one.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I have no problem either with what Delgado did, or more accurately, neglected to do.

If I were him I might have done a little half wave to the crowd, but it's really no big deal either way. Those who are thumping this issue are just trying to make a story, as we well know. It's sometimes a wonder that anyone opts to play in New York.

I also had the Braves telecast yesterday (first time this year I didn't get SNY on my Extra Innings package) and during the telecast the Atlanta announcers were marveling at the amount of local media. The Braves have only two beat reporters, one for the Journal-Constitution and one from MLB.com. They both do have to file stories every day, but with less of a din from other writers, I wonder if there's less pressure to make meaningless noise? (The only way to know, I guess, is to closely monitor what the Braves beat writers write, but I have no interest in actually doing that.)

[Farmer Ted]

It looked more like humility on Delgado's part. If I was batting under .200, there's no way I go up on the top step.

[metirish]

Farmer Ted wrote: It looked more like humility on Delgado's part. If I was batting under .200, there's no way I go up on the top step.

Bingo.

] "The way I look at it, I hit a solo home run in the seventh inning. I got a great deal of respect for the game and I don't think that's the place for a curtain call," said Delgado, who began the day with one homer, a .186 batting average and very little backing from the home fans through 23 games. "We appreciate the support of the fans, but we're here to play the game. They pay me to go out and hit the ball and drive in runs, and I didn't think it was the right situation. "Having said that," he quickly added, "I'm not going to lie. I feel good. It's a lot better than the boos."

[A Boy Named Seo]

="Benjamin Grimm"] I also had the Braves telecast yesterday (first time this year I didn't get SNY on my Extra Innings package) and during the telecast the Atlanta announcers were marveling at the amount of local media. The Braves have only two beat reporters, one for the Journal-Constitution and one from MLB.com. They both do have to file stories every day, but with less of a din from other writers, I wonder if there's less pressure to make meaningless noise? (The only way to know, I guess, is to closely monitor what the Braves beat writers write, but I have no interest in actually doing that.)

I agree with that meaningless noise bit totally. I'm not from New York and never lived anywhere close to the east coast and when I'm visiting, I freak out at how much attention and coverage baseball gets there. It's really like nowhere else, I don't think. Not even close in LA, and we're a pretty big city and all.

This Delgado thing is meaningless to me, but I think in NY, it means something to a lot of people, no? They're trying to make a story for sure, but it seems there's an audience of people gulping that crap down.

[nymr83]

]It's sometimes a wonder that anyone opts to play in New York.

the richest teams in every sport as well as lots of advertising contracts if you are any good, a level of fame you won't achieve playing in the mid-west, millions of fans loving you when things do go right, etc.
you can trade that off with being held to a higher standard by the fans and having the fans demonstrate their displeasure with you.

go ahead, play for the twinkies or the pirates, you'll make less money, be signed for less years, won't appear in Nike commercials, won't be on the cover of video games even if you have a near-mvp season, etc. but at least you wont get booed.

[Benjamin Grimm]

That's why I said "sometimes."

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

It was an unexpected development in the "How soon can the Mets release Delgado?" debate that seems like many in the media wished it could carry on.

I will say that in general, fan behavior seems pretty reprehensible this year, with foulmouthed, entitled, mook douchejacks getting all the attention they crave.

[nymr83]

being foul-mouthed can be part of the fun. chanting "asshole" at an umpire for a blown out/safe call is great

[Benjamin Grimm]

Namor's not part of the solution.

[nymr83]

we could make the ballpark like a chatroom with a profanity filter... section 12 no alcohol, section 14 no cursing, section 16...

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Nymr83 wrote: being foul-mouthed can be part of the fun. chanting "asshole" at an umpire for a blown out/safe call is great

If you're a douchewhistle, sure.

[metsmarathon]

chanting asshole implies that he blew the call knowingly/intentionally.

[Benjamin Grimm]

It's also a pot/kettle thing.

[Centerfield]

metsmarathon wrote: chanting asshole implies that he blew the call knowingly/intentionally.

Maybe Namor's talking to Angel Hernandez.

[nymr83]

the asshole chant happened at shea this year when i was there, it was the 14 inning game and there was a big botched call at 3rd base.

Angel deserves more than just an "asshole" chant. i think "moth-er-fuck-er" ::clap clap, clap clap clap:: would work well.

[metsmarathon]

see, while more vulgar, i think that motherfucker is a more appropriate chant for an ump who blows a call than asshole. on the whole, i prefer bullshit to either option.

[Elster88]

avi

[metirish]

My brother who I took to his first baseball game Friday night remarked how much tension he felt in the crowd , of course he saw the fight and all that but he was surprised because 1) there is no away fans section so it's not like the Mets fans were directing anger towards those fans , 2 ) there was a lot of kids at the game.


For a person who has been to some big soccer matches like Celtic /Rangers and Man Utd /Liverpool he was surprised at the tension he felt at this game.

There were a few girls right behind us that were shouting for the Braves and an ass behind them with three young kids that spent the night directing abuse at the young Braves fans behind us.

I hate that stuff.

[metirish]

Debate on Newsday........Metsblog gets a mention(not a nice one either)

The Final Score

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

metirish wrote: Debate on Newsday........Metsblog gets a mention(not a nice one either) The Final Score

The Metsblog backlash is in full effect. Bob Raissman slapped them the other day and suggested iut was SNY who directed them to take down the Joe Smith profanity video. The Blastings Thrilledge blog pointed out the Willie Randolph poll was whacked soon after his approval ratings fell to Bush-like levels (Cerrone denied). MBTN is pissed because Cerrone doesn't return its emails.

[Guest Triple Dee]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: MBTN is pissed because Cerrone doesn't return its emails.

Cerrone's delusions of grandeur prohibit him from engaging in discourse with ordinary folk.

I'm not sure who I dislike more, Cerrone, or the band of lemmings that post comments on his site.

However, the Mets blog that really irks me is "Mets Mole" -- the blogger thinks he's Snoop Dog, and can't help disguising his man love for Oliver Perez.

[MFS62]

Don't recall where I heard this, but someone asked him after the game why he didn't come out for the curtain call. Carlos said he had only come out twice in his career; when he hit four home runs in a game and when he hit his 400th homer.

He apparently saves it for significant times.
I respect him for that.
Its over used anyhow.

Later

[metirish]

I wonder if Gary Carter were a coach on the team if he would have urged him to go out , and seeing that he didn't then take the curtain call himself.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think Gary would have just skipped to the second part.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think Gary would have just skipped to the second part.

...thus taking the first curtain call in the history of the world. According to Gary.