Roger Clemens; Queen of Denial

[Valadius]

The "my entire life" bit suggests he's flailing to me. There's no doubt he took it in the butt.

[nymr83]

]"I am disappointed that my 25 years in public life have apparently not earned me the benefit of the doubt..."

yes, your throwing bats at opposing players and beaning them intentionally in the head has shown that you deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[metirish]

I believe Doctor McNamee on this, sorry Rajah.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Roger Clemens wrote: "I am disappointed that my 25 years in public life have apparently not earned me the benefit of the doubt"

In other words, you should trust him because he's a celebrity.

Hard to argue with that kind of logic.

[HahnSolo]

]"I want to state clearly and without qualification: I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life,''

I also didn't inhale, and I did not have sex with that woman.

[Frayed Knot]

Roger seems determined to go as far as it takes to fight his recent ties to PED's

After the initial statements via agents and lawyers, he is now using his own voice on camera (OK, one on his own website) to issue more complete, and seemingly loophole-free, denials of use and repudiation of MacNamee's claims via the Mitchell report. He also announces that he will do a sit-down interview with Mike Wallace on the subject for '60 Minutes' to air sometime in January.

[MFS62]

metirish wrote: I believe Doctor McNamee on this, sorry Rajah.

Speaking of the Doctor, I heard an interview with ex-Met C. J. Nitkowski who approached the Doc to be his personal trainer around the time C.J. was a Tiger/ Met.
The interviewer asked if they had discussed steroids.
C.J. said:
1) The topic was discussed a few times.
2) C.J. asked about them.
3) The Doc was knowledgeable about them, describing which one was better/ worse for which need; that the steroids for pitchers were different than those best for position players.
4) He said the Doc did not offer any steroids, nor did he volunteer where the player could obtain them.
5) The Doc was trying to enroll players in his own training regimen that did dot include steroids. C.J. implied that the Doc discouraged their use.

I found #4 very interesting.
C.J. is a bright, well spoken ,St. John's alum, and I believe when he said.

Later

[Guest OlerudOwned]

HahnSolo wrote: ]"I want to state clearly and without qualification: I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life,'' I also didn't inhale, and I did not have sex with that woman.

You bet I did, and I enjoyed it.

[metirish]

I saw the video that FK references on the news but I can't for the life of me find Clemens's website.

[Frayed Knot]

http://www.rogerclemensonline.com/

[metirish]

Weird, I saw that site but not that page.

Roger sounds genuswine so I believe him.

[stevejrogers]

Actually I just heard some ESPN Radio host say he believed Clemens because he "always has been a great team leader, teammate" and has done nothing to suggest that he doesn't have good character.

Another great example of a national media person that has no clue about the local levels of various issues.

[Guest OlerudOwned]

SteveJRogers wrote: Actually I just heard some ESPN Radio host say he believed Clemens because he "always has been a great team leader, teammate" and has done nothing to suggest that he doesn't have good character. Another great example of a national media person that has no clue about the local levels of various issues.

It's not even a local issue. He threw a bat at somebody in the World Series.

[Guest themetfairy]

Q. How can you tell when Roger Clemens is lying?

A. When his lips are moving.

[stevejrogers]

OlerudOwned wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]Actually I just heard some ESPN Radio host say he believed Clemens because he "always has been a great team leader, teammate" and has done nothing to suggest that he doesn't have good character. Another great example of a national media person that has no clue about the local levels of various issues. It's not even a local issue. He threw a bat at somebody in the World Series.

Not to mention getting thrown out of an ALCS game in 1990 (IIRC) and then proceeded to throw a Gatorade bucket onto the field. To say nothing of his headhunting ways through the years and the allegations of not wanting to finish Game 6 of the 1986 World Series.

[Frayed Knot]

Roger's 60 Minutes interview is going to trot out the Bonds/Sheffield/Tejada defense:

'yeah MacNamee injected me with some stuff, but it was just pain-killers and vitamins ... no really, I swear'


Meanwhile, MacNamee's lawyer says if Clemens calls his client a liar on air then they're prepared to file a suit.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Flaxseed oil to the rescue.

[metirish]

WOW, really un-fucking-real.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3179745



Why not just have his regular family Doc take care of stuff like that,

[Guest AG/DC]

]"I think that this is a lawyers' game, which allows him to try and attempt to say that McNamee didn't know what he was injecting or that at least Clemens didn't know what he was injecting,'' Emery said.

I think this is true enough, even if it's a lawyer responding to a lawyer. But it looks like he's seen Rog's next gambit. If the trainer can present credible evidence that it was a banned substances, Rog can act all shocked-like.

[Frayed Knot]

"Roger took bunches of his shots over his career, much the way racehorses do"

And, apparently, much of the same medicine as the horses too.



"The reason he hasn't stepped out personally before now was really our decision, not his, and that was to more deliberately look into how in the world the Mitchell report could have reached what we believe was this totally wrong conclusion before we started talking out."

Ever stop to think that maybe Mitchell reached that conclusion because you refused to speak to him in the first place?




"Now we're more comfortable with all of that, and he's going to answer whatever questions they have.''

You mean, now that his entire legacy has been trashed leaving you no other choice you're going to HAVE to answer these questions.

[metirish]

I haven't read Ian O'Connor in years but today he sums up Clemens very well, for me at least.

Clemens

[Guest AG/DC]

There's some goofy stuff in there. He seemingly deliberately mis-interprets Clemens' defense in the Piazza incident --- which is damining enough without doing so --- and he mixes metaphors with Milli Vanilli.

[Centerfield]

I thought that was Clemens' defense to the Piazza incident.

[seawolf17]

Wait... Roger Clemens was in Milli Vanilli? Well, that explains a lot.

[Guest KC]

Gets more bizarre every day. Clemens, Pettitte, and McNamee have been
asked to testify to Congress under oath.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Clemens won't want to "talk about the past."

[nymr83]

fine, then he can get a subpoena to "talk about the past" and lawyer-up like McGwire did. That'll shoot all his denials down.

[Frayed Knot]

He came, he talked, he denied.

Nothing particularly new (or interesting) in the 60 Minutes interview.
He never took 'em ... doesn't know why McNamee claims he did ... wasn't aware that Pettitte did ... yadda, yadda.

The only real interesting news on this subject (if you're under the impression that there's ANYTHING interesting on this subject) was a report in Newday that Clemens & McNamee had about an hour-long phone conversation in the last day or two. No datails were available, however, of what was discussed or even who contacted who first. It did label the coversation as "emotional".
The '60 Minutes' interview was taped several days ago and was done prior to this supposed phone call.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

He's Pete Rose, Barry Bonds and O.J. Simpson. Guilty and convinced we still owe him one.

If I were Mike Wallace I'd have walked away.

[metirish]

Mike is his buddy, I watched it and Clemens came across as pathetic.