The mitchell LIST! -- the In-Report Thread

[Valadius]

Clemens was injected in the ass with steroids.

[Gwreck]

Don't remember. I was only skimming the thing.

[nymr83]

Valadius wrote: Clemens was injected in the ass with steroids.

"steroids"? so thats what they're calling it now?

[Guest themetfairy]

Kid Carsey wrote: I don't think I'll ever get used to (or at least not appreciate) that I can get things like a four hundred page report about something I'm interested in downloaded to my laptop in like four seconds as the news is breaking.

Agreed - it's freakin' science fiction!

[Valadius]

Todd Pratt used steroids in 2000 or 2001.

[nymr83]

Pratt 'roided it over the wall in 1999 and just ruined my greatest baseball moment.

[Valadius]

Radomski somehow found his way into the Mets locker room in 2003, when he put HGH in Mike Stanton's locker.

[Guest martin]

talkin heads on espn are pointing out clemens is just as asterisk worthy as bonds. if i were bonds i would be loving this. everyone is doing roids, but bonds still dominates them.

[Valadius]

Hallelujah that Piazza's legacy is intact.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

That's the crazy thing. Bonds was prolly the besdt baseball player in the game before he started using. I guess he musta felt very threatened and in that sense alone is almost a victim of the epidemic.

[Frayed Knot]

Valadius wrote: It's no surprise that Donnelly and Logan were cut loose now that this has come out.

I suspect you're reading too much into the cause-and-effect here.

Dozens of players were cut loose in the last few days because last night was a deadline for doing so. And even if it were known that those names were on the list, others also on it (Pettitte, LoDuca, Tejeda) were signed, re-signed, and/or traded for in the same time span.

With testing in place now and the unliklihood of suspensions resulting from this report I don't think we're going to see teams running away from players solely because they were named.

[Valadius]

]Paul Lo Duca Paul Lo Duca is a catcher who has played with three teams in Major League Baseball since 1998, the Los Angeles Dodgers (7 seasons), Florida Marlins (2 seasons), and New York Mets (2 seasons). He has appeared in four All-Star games. Todd Hundley referred Lo Duca to Radomski when Lo Duca played for the Dodgers. Radomski estimated that he engaged in six or more transactions with Lo Duca. In some transactions, Radomski sent the performance enhancing substances by overnight mail to Lo Duca�s home or to the Dodgers clubhouse and Lo Duca sent Radomski a check a week or so later. Radomski produced copies of three checks from Lo Duca, each in the amount of $3,200. All are included in the Appendix. Radomski said that each check was in payment for two kits of human growth hormone. Lo Duca�s name, with an address and telephone number, is listed in the address book seized from Radomski�s residence by federal agents. During that search, federal agents also seized a note from Lo Duca to Radomski. It read: Kirk, Sorry! But for some reason they sent the check back to me. I haven�t been able to call you back because my phone is TOAST! I have a new # it is [Lo Duca�s phone number is listed here]. Please leave your # again because I lost all of my phonebook with the other phone. Thanks Paul In 2002, Lo Duca was quoted by Sports Illustrated in an article responding to Ken Caminiti�s admission of steroid use. Lo Duca was reported to have said: �If you�re battling for a job, and the guy you�re battling with is using steroids, then maybe you say, �Hey, to compete, I need to use steroids because he�s using them . . . Don�t get me wrong. I don�t condone it. But it�s a very tough situation. It�s really all about survival for some guys.� According to the notes of an internal discussion among Los Angeles Dodgers officials in October 2003 that were referred to above, it was reportedly said of Lo Duca during the meetings: Steroids aren�t being used anymore on him. Big part of this. Might have some value to trade . . . Florida might have interest. . . . Got off the steroids . . . Took away a lot of hard line drives. . . . Can get comparable value back would consider trading. . . . If you do trade him, will get back on the stuff and try to show you he can have a good year. That�s his makeup. Comes to play. Last year of contract, playing for 05. On June 26, 2004, Lo Duca wrote a check to Radomski for $3,200. On July 30, 2004, the Dodgers traded Lo Duca, Guillermo Mota, and Juan Encarnacion to the Marlins. On August 7, 2004, Lo Duca issued another check to Radomski for $3,200. In January 2005, Lo Duca signed a three-year contract with the Marlins. The handwritten note shown below on Dodger Stadium stationary from Lo Duca to Radomski was seized from Radomski�s house during a search by federal agents. Radomski said that this note was included with a check Lo Duca sent Radomski as payment for human growth hormone. In order to provide Lo Duca with information about these allegations and to give him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined.

[Guest Kid Carsey]

Val: >>>Piazza's legacy is intact<<<

You really gotta stop. How do you know he didn't get his shit from the
Cayman Islands? This is, uh, forget it ... I'm about to go off and may
not be able to turn back.

[seawolf17]

Yeah, I'm with Kase. This doesn't eliminate ANYONE else from steroids. All it does is confirm some people.

[Guest Kid Carsey]

I had 'roid rage.

[seawolf17]

S'okay, we always kinda suspected you.

[Valadius]

Lo Duca injected himself with steroids in 1999 while in AAA.

OE: It's on pp. 230-232.

[stevejrogers]

Kase, you almost pulled a Rogers!

[Guest Kid Carsey]

Good one, Steve lol.

[Centerfield]

While it doesn't exonerate him, I am happy that Piazza's name never surfaced...even as some of his teammates were listed and Radomski was operating right next door.

[Guest themetfairy]

Centerfield wrote: While it doesn't exonerate him, I am happy that Piazza's name never surfaced...even as some of his teammates were listed and Radomski was operating right next door.

Agreed - I was geared up for one of those rough conversations with my little one about good people making bad choices.

LoDuca and Pratt don't sting as much (Pratt's a former favorite, but very removed at this point). Being able to focus on Clemens and Pettite today is far better for us.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Valadius wrote: Clemens was injected in the ass with steroids.

So when Shawn Estes was aiming at his ass, he knew it would be sore already.

Too bad he missed!

[Valadius]

I was really surprised that Edgardo Alfonzo's name didn't come up.

[Vic Sage]

These are all the names i could glean from the report:

Other than those who�ve publicly failed drug tests (Palmiero, etc), the following players are named in the Mitchell report:

[u:d38faca5fa]BALCO[/u:d38faca5fa]
Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Armando Rios
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde

[u:d38faca5fa]RADOMSKI:[/u:d38faca5fa]
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Chris Donnels
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch.
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagn�
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan

[u:d38faca5fa]OTHER SOURCES[/u:d38faca5fa]
Mike Judd
Ricky Stone
Daniel Naulty

[u:d38faca5fa]INTERNET SALES[/u:d38faca5fa]
Rick Ankiel
Paul Byrd
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jose Guillen
Gary Matthews, Jr
Scott Schoeneweis
David Bell
Jose Canseco
Darren Holmes
John Rocker
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Rondell White actually wrote something in the memo line of the check. Wish I could make that out. Probably says "Not Drugs".

Mike Lansing was smart enough to get a money order, but couldn't resist signing it with his beautifully legible autograph.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Valadius wrote: I was really surprised that Edgardo Alfonzo's name didn't come up.

Steve tried so hard to whisper it in.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Metskis

BALCO
No Mets shopped for drugs in the bay area, save for possibly phantom Met Benito Santiago, who was AAA property for a few weeks

RADOMSKI:
The home supermaket here.

Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Josias Manzanillo (way to shrink your last remaining ball, jackass)
Todd Hundley
Chris Donnels
Mark Carreon
Matt Franco
David Justice (another phantom Met)
Mo Vaughn
Todd Pratt
Mike Stanton
Paul Lo Duca
Fernando Vina
Gary Bennett, Jr.

OTHER SOURCES
(Mets prefer mainstream sources.)

INTERNET SALES
Paul Byrd
Gary Matthews, Jr
Scott Schoeneweis

John Rocker, I'm told, only bought his illegal drugs from English-speaking sources.

[seawolf17]

[Frayed Knot]

Selig's conf:

- Mitchell Report made 20 seperate recommendations.
One has already been implemented (elimination of the 24 hour warning of test)
MLB [u:e53799026e]WILL[/u:e53799026e] implement those where it can do so independently of the Player's Assoc
Will recommend and discuss those others that require PA approval with the PA

- Will review each player listed on a case-by-case basis to determine if punishment is warranted

- Are funding (with NFL) attempts to create a test for HGH detection

[Valadius]

Selig may discipline players, despite Mitchell telling him not to.