2ND BASE

[Guest Edgy DC]

So explain the assault thingie. His wife retracted her story, so why did it go all the way to trial with her testifying on his behalf before a jury aquitted him. Shouldn't the charges just have been dropped and the state saved the trouble?

[nymr83]

not if the state thought that the victim of a crime was being pressured into shutting up or shutting up because of the unfortunate "logic" that plagues many victims of domestic violence "he loves me, he'll stop this time"
but of course i don't know what happened here, i'm just saying why in general these cases might proceed without her cooperation.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm just saying too. I realize the market is loco and everything, but Mabely Lugo may be the only one that can get me behind this deal.

[Frayed Knot]

I see no reason for Lugo to be considered so unique or desirable to warrant that kind of contract. The reports seemed to be a bit hazy over whether or not those numbers were being discussed or actually offered.
Personally, I'd consider something about half that long at half that rate (like 2x$5).

And, as usual, the reports are loaded with all kinds of asides about Minaya's ongoing man-love for Lugo. I don't know if there's any other GM who so consistently gets tagged with this rep that there are players that he's powerless to resist as if these shiny baubles dangled in front of him send him into some sort of trance.
Not quite sure what he did to earn this rep - although maybe it noteworthy that almost all these supposed obsessions are Latin: Lugo, Manny, Vazquez, etc.

[Vic Sage]

this is what i predicted, and what i was afraid of.

I said Lugo would get a Pierre-type deal (5yr/$40-45m) because he's more valuable to other teams as a SS, and we'd be stuck overpaying for him as a 2bman who isn't remarkablly better than (a) what we already have, or ( cheaper options still available.

LF, if you want a guy for 2-3 years at under $5m/yr, it ain't gonna be Lugo.

[Vic Sage]

Boston about to sign Lugo, pending physical, for 4yr/$36m deal

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2687827

phew! that was a close one.
good job dodging that one, Omar.

[metsmarathon]

Frayed Knot wrote: maybe it noteworthy that almost all these supposed obsessions are Latin: Lugo, Manny, Vazquez, etc.

and, despite opportunities so far, none have become mets. yet the stories persist...?

[Frayed Knot]

]LF, if you want a guy for 2-3 years at under $5m/yr, it ain't gonna be Lugo.

Agreed. I didn't particularly want him unless I could get him at a reduced rate which wasn't going to happen in this market.
My only point from earlier is that Vidro's kind of in the same bucket right now; priced higher than the upgrade he'd be likely to provide.

[Guest cleonjones11]

Edgy DC wrote: So explain the assault thingie. His wife retracted her story, so why did it go all the way to trial with her testifying on his behalf before a jury aquitted him. Shouldn't the charges just have been dropped and the state saved the trouble?

Ask Ramon Castro..he should know..

[Guest patona314]

that's not nice, ramon is a good boy. he throws out runners.......

[Guest Edgy DC]

My fault.

[Elster88]

Vic Sage wrote: Boston about to sign Lugo, pending physical, for 4yr/$36m deal http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2687827 phew! that was a close one. good job dodging that one, Omar.

Wow. That's a whole lot of money for a whole lot of nothing.

[Elster88]

cleonjones11 wrote: Lugo would probably play everyday..he's too good....

Lugo is not good.

[Guest Rotblatt]

]phew! that was a close one. good job dodging that one, Omar.

My sentiments exactly, Vic.

$9M a year for Lugo is ridiculous, and for 4 fucking years? Egads.

The market has most definitely shifted, and at this point, I'd prefer we trade up rather than pay out.

Alou, by the way, remains an amazing fucking deal. I wonder if his agent is kicking himself right now . . .

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I agree the contract is rich/long but I don't believe Lugo is awful as being discussed here. It's possible the mets interest chased theo into those numbers.

But i'm also not too comfy going into the year the way we are at 2B.

[smg58]

What's the going rate on Ty Wigginton? He'd be a perfect platoon fit.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Wow, it's like the fouth straight time Minaya showed restraint while we were under the impression he was over-extending himself.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Wigs definitely evindences an improvement against lefties, not a mind-blowing one, but a clear one. His downsides include (1) he's a below average thirdbaseman and a worse secondbaseman, and (2) he's likely enough to regress to be shy about rewarding him too much for last year.

He's a legit option, but he might be more interested in signing with a club that has a full-time spot for him, if such a club is out there.

[Guest sharpie]

Wigginton wouldn't get much of any playing time at third, we have Franco backing up at first and I really don't want to see him at second. Pass.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, I only bring up his range at third to suggest that second may be a position that's sailing away from him, but he could probably fake it as a part-timer for a year or two.

[Guest sharpie]

Ty is a cellar magnet.

He played the 02 and 03 seasons with the last place Mets. He started the 04 season on the destined-for-4th-place Mets only to be traded to the last place Pirates. The Pirates and Ty were in last in 05 and then he spent last year with the last place Devil Rays. I think he would make a good fit with the Nationals or Royals for next year.

[seawolf17]

sharpie wrote: Ty is a cellar magnet. He played the 02 and 03 seasons with the last place Mets. He started the 04 season on the destined-for-4th-place Mets only to be traded to the last place Pirates. The Pirates and Ty were in last in 05 and then he spent last year with the last place Devil Rays. I think he would make a good fit with the Nationals or Royals for next year.

Or the Yankees. I'd be fine with that.

[Frayed Knot]

Yanx have talked about trying to get him actually.
They need a 1st baseman (pref a RH hitter) to both backup Giambi and keep him off 1st base as much as possible.

He'd be a good fit there ... which is why I'm hoping it doesn't happen of course.

[Centerfield]

So who's left? Belliard?

[Centerfield]

Answered my own questin...apparently the deal reported about Mark Loretta is being denied.

I think I'd prefer Loretta to any of the other names I've been hearing.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Were the Mets really going for Lugo? It would at least be a sign that they're not completely satisfied with going into April with Valentin as the starting second baseman. I know that I'm not, and I do hope that they're continuing to weigh other options.

[metirish]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Were the Mets really going for Lugo? It would at least be a sign that they're not completely satisfied with going into April with Valentin as the starting second baseman. I know that I'm not, and I do hope that they're continuing to weigh other options.

Yes,apparently they offered the same money and years,one of the reasons Lugo chose Boston was because he'd be at SS...

[TransMonk]

I like Loretta.

[DocTee]

I'd prefer Loretta over Valentin as a starter--the same does not go for Belliard. Still wish we could've locked up Rich Aurilia.

[Guest sharpie]

I thought Loretta was signing with Cincy.