Trouble with Team Names, split from World Series IGT

[Guest cooby]

What does Brady Quinn have to do with it? He's still a little busy.

[stevejrogers]

cooby wrote: What does Brady Quinn have to do with it? He's still a little busy.

Projected # 1 pick (yeah this is some 8 months and an entire college football season before the draft and all, but this is the media we're talking about) and the Jets were getting anywhere from 1 to 5 wins in most pre-season prognostications. Good for a top 5 draft pick which is right around Quinn should go next spring.

[Guest cooby]

Yeah, I'm right with ya in thinking he's probably going #1 or close to it, but I don't understand your mentioning him in your Pats/Jets comment.


I guess I'm just not following your thoughts there.

[Guest cooby]

Wait, yeah I think I do

[metirish]

Quinn is not even close to the # 1 pick...at least from what I read...GO IRISH..what a load of bollox..it's insulting.

As a person from Ireland I find the whole ND thing insulting to my culture...I want nothing to do with it...

[Guest cooby]

ND-well me either, I just happened to take note of them this year.

[nymr83]

metirish wrote: Quinn is not even close to the # 1 pick...at least from what I read...GO IRISH..what a load of bollox..it's insulting. As a person from Ireland I find the whole ND thing insulting to my culture...I want nothing to do with it...

why does nobody seem to like sports teams named after their race/religion/nationality? if a college teams decided to call themselves the jews i'd wear their jersey and love it. we need a sports team.

[metirish]

] why does nobody seem to like sports teams named after their race/religion/nationality? if a college teams decided to call themselves the jews i'd wear their jersey and love it. we need a sports team.

You think any of those players or most of the fans know anything about Ireland, I doubt it....and the stupid fool that gets dressed up as a supposed leprechaun is especially insulting to me, ND is not Glasgow Celtic, at least they can say they have a true Irish fan base and that they don't pander to silly sterotypes.

[Elster88]

metirish wrote: ] why does nobody seem to like sports teams named after their race/religion/nationality? if a college teams decided to call themselves the jews i'd wear their jersey and love it. we need a sports team. You think any of those players or most of the fans know anything about Ireland, I doubt it....and the stupid fool that gets dressed up as a supposed leprechaun is especially insulting to me, ND is not Glasgow Celtic, at least they can say they have a true Irish fan base and that they don't pander to silly sterotypes.

Do the Boston Celtics also bother you?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm with him. It's stupid, and the brand's effect on the ethnic self-identity of countless confused Irish Americans is pathetic.

[Willets Point]

Nymr83 wrote: why does nobody seem to like sports teams named after their race/religion/nationality? if a college teams decided to call themselves the jews i'd wear their jersey and love it. we need a sports team.

Have I got the team for you: Tottenham Hotspur.

[Guest cooby]

Minnesota Lutherans would be cool with me

[Willets Point]

As a New Englander I'm offended that a group of unworthies took the name Yankees.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Redskins is just awful.

Indians, theough they meant well to honor Louis Soxalexis (sp.) ought to return themselves to the Cleveland Spiders, as they were known in the 19th century, if not to appease potential offendees, but for the enormous amount of cool marketing and uni $elling they could do around that name.

Chiefs and Braves are probably more OK.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I've had that same opinion for a while about the Cleveland Spiders, Johnny. A very cool name, and it could be marketed a lot better than "Indians" can.

The Atlanta team probably shouldn't revert to their historical minor league name, though. Unless they get a sponsorship from Wheat Thins, I don't think "Crackers" would go over well.

[seawolf17]

Problem is, aren't the Cleveland Spiders mostly associated with losing something like 247 games in a single season? Not a happy connotation.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

The Indians have done their share of losing, too.

I don't think anyone born in the 1990's would hesitate to buy a cool cap or jersey because of the record of a team that played in the 19th Century.

[Guest cooby]

seawolf17 wrote: Problem is, aren't the Cleveland Spiders mostly associated with losing something like 247 games in a single season? Not a happy connotation.

247?
No wonder, they must have been tired!

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

The Spiders were actually a pretty good team but were undermined when syndicate ownership transferred all their good players, including Cy Young, to St. Louis prior to the 1899 season, resulting in that one horrendous year.

[Guest Edgy DC]

We have to look at this with some degree of nuance. There's a difference between calling a team after a local tribe and calling them Redskins

There's a difference between "Irish" and "Fighting Irish" and there's a difference between "Fighting Illini" and "Fighting Irish" and there's a difference betewen "Irish" and "Leprechaun."

This all began with an inability to make distinctions, as the University was founded by a French order, not an Irish one, and has been mispronounced (like most francophonic things in the midwest throughout most of their history). It was this big Catholic University and at a time when most Americans didn't make much distinction between Irish and Catholic, they accepted the label "Irish" when they should have resisted it.

[MFS62]

After reading the posts above, I began thinking, "what is a Hoya"?

When I found this in Wilkepedia, I saw that the question is redundant:

]"What is a Hoya" The University admits that the precise origin of the term "Hoya" is unknown. [1] The official story is that at some point prior to 1920, students well-versed in the classical languages invented the Greek hoia or hoya, meaning "what" or "such", and the Latin saxa, to form "What Rocks!" Depending on who tells the story, the "rocks" either refer to the baseball team, which was nicknamed the "Stonewalls" after the Civil War, to the stalwart defense of the football team, or to the stone wall that surrounded the campus. [2] In 1920, students began publishing the campus's first regular newspaper under the name The Hoya, after successfully petitioning Rev. Coleman Nevils, S.J., Dean of the College, to change the name of the young paper, which was originally to be known as The Hilltopper. By the fall of 1928, the newspaper had taken to referring to the sports teams (then called the Hilltoppers in reference to Georgetown's geography) as the Hoyas. Dean Nevils's former school, College of the Holy Cross, also refers to the term "Hoya" in one of its fight songs, as does a third Jesuit school, Marquette University. Big East opponents, whose schools tend to have more concrete nicknames, have long used "What's a Hoya?" as a chant to mock Georgetown. [3]

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[Willets Point]

It would be cool if they just went by their English name: The Georgetown Whats.

I once went to summer school at Georgetown and they have a convenience store called Saxa Sundries which at least signifies an awareness of the the origin of the school nickname on campus.

[nymr83]

they could have question marks on their sleeves and The Riddler could be the mascot

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Virtually all of the Notre Dame fans I have ever known were Catholics. Their nationality and the name Fighting Irish had nothing to do with their fandom. The teams could be known as the Fighting Catholics of Notre Dame and it would have had no ill effect on their fan base. At least in the case my friends and acquaintances that have been (are) Notre Dame fans.

[DocTee]

Not only has ND resisited all efforts to change their mascot/nickname (History Pro Jay Dolan, with whom I've collaborated on a project for fairness in the media regarding Irish Americans, spearheaded that campaign) they went so far as to copyright it! Only they, it seems, have the right to offend the Irish!!

[DocTee]

Nymr: would you support a team known as the "hard Bargaining Jews"?

[nymr83]

that would be boring, i'd support the "Cheap Jews" though, I'd be the first to buy the jersey as i'd find it hilarious

[metirish]

You might find it hilarious but I doubt many others would,that name would last about one day.....it's not that I don't have a sence of humor, I do, but "fighting irish" to me is just insulting and I would never by a ND jersey..it ranks up there with " paddywagon" which I still often see used in newspapers over here....IIRC I saw it in the New York Times recently.

[nymr83]

what is the origin of the term "pattywagon"?

[metirish]

Irish people are known as "paddies",that's what the Brits call us,"paddywagon" was coined because the Irish were apparently always drunk and fighting..the cops would come with the "paddywagon" to round them up.