Gold Gloves

[Frayed Knot]

The AL list was announced late Thursday:

P - Kenny Rogers (5th one) -- There's got to be a punchline somewhere about a Tiger pitcher winning a fielding award. Guess the stick'um really helps? Oldest ever to win?

C - Ivan Rodriguez (12) -- I guess Joe Mauer will have to wait for Pudge to retire or die

1B - Mark Teixiera (2)

2B - Mark Grudzeyechart (1)

SS - Derek Jeter (3) -- I was thinking (hoping) that Alex Gonzalez might win. He's clearly a better defensive player but missed a lot of time in the 2nd half . Plus, he's not, y'know ... Jeter.

3B - Eric Chavez (6)

OF - Vernon Wells (3), Tori Hunter (6), Ichiro Suzuki (6) -- As usual, they pick 3 CFers (Ichiro split time between RF & CF). Gary Mathews Jr may have been snubbed although that still wouldn't have solved the too many CFers problem.



NL to come out today.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Jim Kaat won his last Gold Glove at 38. Greg Maddux won last year at 39. Ozzie at 37, so I guess Kenny Rogers looks good for being the oldest.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Think the Mets have any Gold Glove candidates this year?

Does Beltran have a shot?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yes. Reyes may get a look as well, though likely for the wrong reasons.

Wright won't win, but I similarly wouldn't be surprised to see him get some support.

[metirish]

Beltran should be in with a shot,what about Reyes?

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Mets haven't had a Gold Glove winner since 1999, when Ventura and Ordonez won.

Other long Gloveless stretches were 1962 through 1969, 1972 through 1979, and 1990 through 1996.

The last time I got to enter a post-season award on this page was in 2001 when Piazza won his last Silver Slugger award.

[MFS62]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Other long Gloveless stretches were 1962 through 1969, 1972 through 1979, and 1990 through 1996.

Anyone who saw those teams doesn't have to wonder why.
I think Bud Harrelson deserved one in '68. But he lost time in the service and playing onlly 109 games may have hurt his chances.

Later

[metsmarathon]

juan uribe would be another player worthy of taking away jeter's glove, tho he only played 132 games.

[metsmarathon]

in the NL, shortstop should probably go to adam everett, but will certainly go to omar vizquel, who was the second best shortstop.

[Valadius]

Hey Yancy - Piazza actually won the Silver Slugger in 2002 as well, according to MLB.com.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I'm always the last to find out everything.

[Guest cooby]

MFS62 wrote: ="Yancy Street Gang"] Other long Gloveless stretches were 1962 through 1969, 1972 through 1979, and 1990 through 1996. Anyone who saw those teams doesn't have to wonder why. I think Bud Harrelson deserved one in '68. But he lost time in the service and playing onlly 109 games may have hurt his chances. Later

Palmiero won one at first base once though while playing primarily as a DH

Buddy wuz robbed

[seawolf17]

The Dugout's take on the issue.

That site makes me laugh every day.

[Guest Edgy DC]

A little cheap on giving Alex a kooky accent, no?

[soupcan]

That site IS funny. I don't check that out enough.

[MFS62]

cooby wrote: Buddy wuz robbed

He did a lot of robbery himself.
I've seen all the shortstops in both leagues since the days of Phil Rizzuto, and Bud was the best I ever saw at tracking down pop flies, fair and foul, down the third base line. He must have turned dozens of would-be strikes and potential doubles into outs where most other shortstops couldn't have.


Later

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Edgy DC wrote: A little cheap on giving Alex a kooky accent, no?

I interpret that as commentary on his wavering identity as an American or Dominican.

[Guest Edgy DC]

The world with its subtlties is eluding me is eluding me these days.

[Centerfield]

Shortstops who play in New York that are better defensive players than Jeter:

Jose Reyes
Alex Rodriguez
Anderson Hernandez

[Guest KC]

Congratualtions to Carlos Beltran ... Gold Glover

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Beltran's Gold Glove has been officially recorded.

As has Mike Piazza's 2002 Silver Slugger. Don't know how I missed that. Thanks to Valadius for pointing it out.

[nymr83]

they need to have the players or managers vote on GGs, i simply can't trust the writers after the Palmiero incident.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think they should have advance scouts vote.

Or a specially appointed panel of former players and coaches.

[nymr83]

advance scouts are a good idea
i think "former" anything could run into the same problem as the writers: they know a guy by reputation but dont know what hes done this year

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, "specially appointed" would mean "carefully selected guys williing to do the work."

But that's what advance scouts are anyway, and they're paid to be the first ones to notice when a guy loses a step.

[metirish]

I think that's a great idea, the writers strike me as lazy.....

[nymr83]

the writers strike me as ignorant or worse. to give a GG to a guy who played 20 games of the position smacks of ignorance to what is actually going on in the league

[stevejrogers]

Nymr83 wrote: the writers strike me as ignorant or worse. to give a GG to a guy who played 20 games of the position smacks of ignorance to what is actually going on in the league

Did I miss something, I thought the GGs were done my managers and coaches?

BTW, I'll give you something worse that was undereported and only because the player is one of the current "It" players in the game. How was David Ortiz even allowed to be on the ASG ballot as the AL 1Bman? Plays 10 games a year, and only because the Sox need that bat in the lineup when playing at the NL park during interleague.

[Valadius]

Another thing I just picked up - Eddie Murray won the 1977 Rookie of the Year with Baltimore. It's not recorded on the UMDB.

[nymr83]

SteveJRogers wrote: ="Nymr83"]the writers strike me as ignorant or worse. to give a GG to a guy who played 20 games of the position smacks of ignorance to what is actually going on in the league Did I miss something, I thought the GGs were done my managers and coaches? BTW, I'll give you something worse that was undereported and only because the player is one of the current "It" players in the game. How was David Ortiz even allowed to be on the ASG ballot as the AL 1Bman? Plays 10 games a year, and only because the Sox need that bat in the lineup when playing at the NL park during interleague.

the AS ballot question is a good one, is there a spot for DH? if so he belongs there, if not i dont think its fair to leave him off the ballot which means putting him at the fielding spot where he played the most games the previous year. i wonder if Steinbrenner will try to put Matsui at 2B on the ballot, he'd stand a chance of getting in