Deadline Deals 2006

[smg58]

Edgy DC wrote: "Worst trade of the decade gets Mets off hook."

Pierzynski for Nathan, Liriano, and Boof Bosner was the worst trade of the decade, as bad as the Kazmir deal was. I don't like the Reds deal at all, but I think you can at least try to make the argument that replacing Kearns and Lopez with Clayton and Denorfia doesn't hurt the lineup as much as Majewski and Bray will help the pen.

[Gwreck]

I don't think you can call "worst trade of the decade" until 10 years after the trade have elapsed.

Hell, I think there should be a 5 year waiting period before any "worst ever"-type labels are applied.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Call it whatever you wish, but when the appropriate time has elapsed, I think the Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano trade will be amongst the contenders for worst trade.

[stevejrogers]

Gwreck wrote: I don't think you can call "worst trade of the decade" until 10 years after the trade have elapsed. Hell, I think there should be a 5 year waiting period before any "worst ever"-type labels are applied.

Good point.

Hell great case in point, using the Kazmir example (and through in Gen K as well) match Kazmir up with any "old school, ya gotta THROW, THROW, THROW, and then THROW SOME MORE, FUCK PITCH COUNTS" Dallas Green types and who knows Scott Kazmir could become another Kerry Wood/Jason Isringhausen/Paul Wilson/Bill Pulsipher type.

1998 everyone thought Kerry Wood was poised to take his place as the heir apparant to Roger Clemens (especially using Rocket's and Ryan's Texan background) and look how far he's fallen through the years

Getting back to Ryan, Nolan was also very much not a guy who was going to do well here, period. Guy was very introverted, hated the limelight, plus he was too inconsistant to really be plugged into a specific role. It really was a case of sending him to the right change of scenery.

Conversley, even if we had the 72-79 Ryan (Not sure if the time frame lines up right, but there'd be NO WAY the deLoruets were going to sign him to a 1 million contract, and it would set a real bad precesdent for Wilpon/Doubleday to start pulling a move like that either) what good would it have gotten? A Game 6 1973 WS win? I'm not sure

[MFS62]

Zvon wrote: from CBSsportsline: Kansas City Royals traded 2B Ruben Gotay to the New York Mets for 2B Jeff Keppinger.

Here are Gotay's numbers:
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Ruben-Gotay.shtml

He doesn't strike out an inordinate amount and all those minor league doubles are interesting. With the fact that he doesn't have many steals makes me think those were power, rather than speed doubles. And as he gets older, some of those doubles could turn into homers. (A common comment in some of the scouting magazines/ reports)

Is he a Jose Valentin in the making?
Stay tuned. But he is a switvch hitter with some potential pop in his bat.

Later

[Frayed Knot]

Braves deal for Bob Wickman from Cleveland in exchange for a A-ball catcher.

Looks like they'll have themselves a real-life closer just in time for their trip here next week.

[Zvon]

Frayed Knot wrote: Braves deal for Bob Wickman from Cleveland in exchange for a A-ball catcher. Looks like they'll have themselves a real-life closer just in time for their trip here next week.

Wickman aint all dat this year--
certainly an upgrade for the Braves tho, the way that role has been such a problem for them.

[Vic Sage]

Wickman is nothing to get worried about. They'd probably be better off with Ray closing, at this point in Wickie's career.

[Frayed Knot]

Not worried about him, but at this point virtually ANY warm body is an improvement to their pen.
Of course if they keep scoring 12 runs/game ...

[Guest Edgy DC]

The Chicago White Sox acquired veteran catcher Sandy Alomar Jr. from the Los Angeles Dodgers for minor league pitcher B.J. LaMura on Sunday after designating backup Chris Widger for assignment.

[metirish]

ESPN is reporting that the White Sox are "extremely close" to trading for Soriano....

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2528494

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Odalis Perez to Kansas City (!) for Elmer Dessens.


Dios Mio!


And I thought I had it bad!


I've been dropped from the O's rotation already!


See what I mean?


I wonder if this means the Mets deal is off.

[Frayed Knot]

Oooh, we got our first biggie:

ESPN.com's Keith Law (when did that happen?) reports:

The Milwaukee Brewers are trading slugger Carlos Lee to the Texas Rangers as part of a multi-player deal, ESPN.com learned Friday.

The Brewers are sending Lee, minor-league outfield prospect Nelson Cruz and a player to be named later to the Rangers for relief pitcher Francisco Cordero and outfielders Kevin Mench and Laynce Nix.

Both teams are checking for any medical issues before consummating the deal.

[metirish]

Damn if I were Lee at the least I would have hoped to get traded to a better team than the Rangers..

[Guest sharpie]

Not a bad deal for the Brewers considering Lee turned down their offer and would've left as a free agent.

[TransMonk]

Milwaukee really should have made a decision earlier about this. If they would have offered the same contact to Lee a month ago or earlier, I think they may have been able to keep him.

Milwaukee fans will not be happy with this. On the one hand, their team finally ponied up with a sizable offer to their big time slugger...yet it still ends up not being enough and he's traded lesser impact players.

[Vic Sage]

i guess this'll help Texas make a run at the weak AL West (they're .500 and only 2 games back of Oakland), but whats the point? Its not like they're good enough, even with Lee, to beat ChiSox, Tigers, BoSox or Yanks. And then Lee can walk away after the season, and Texas has given away 3 players for a shot at a Division title only. Unless they think this'll put them in a substantially better position to re-sign Lee... then, of course, its worth doing because Lee is more valuable than the package Texas gave up for him.

[MFS62]

]Its not like they're good enough, even with Lee, to beat ChiSox, Tigers, BoSox or Yanks.

Especially since they gave up their most menacing setup guy - Cordero throws 98+ MPH heat.

Later

[smg58]

But the Rangers get the best player and a really good prospect out of it. Cruz and Corey Hart would probably make a better outfield tandem for the Brewers next year than Nix and Mench. And if it puts the Rangers over the top in the AL West, why wouldn't it be worth it? Maybe the Rangers are giving up prospects that are better than Cruz, but to me this looks wonderful for Texas and puzzling for Milwaukee.

[metirish]

Brewers fans don't get it either...

http://p092.ezboard.com/fbrewersfandemoniumfrm3.showMessage?topicID=12548.topic

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I dunno. A buncha major leaguers for 1 major leaguer, might work out. Not like the Brewers appear to have left themselves alotta room to maneuver. Certainly a better deal than say the MFYs might put together, yes?

[metirish]

The guys over at the brewers forum seem to think(hope) that Melvin will spin Mench and Nix in another trade, they are talking about some prospects from the Twins.

[MFS62]

Another team that really needs major league proven hitting is the Halos. And from what I've heard they have lots of prospects to give up in order to get it.

The Twins have hit .300+ as a team during their recent hot streak.

Later

[Frayed Knot]

Lee, though a dangerous hitter, just turned 30 and is already a DH-in-waiting. I'm skeptical of those big-bodied types as they get older and am not so sure that the BrewCrew didn't dodge a bullet when he turned down their multi-year deal - especially seeing as how they've got a 'Prince' of a younger/cheaper/lefthanded version of him already on the team.

[metirish]

From reading the Brewers board most fans seem pissed that Melvin included Cruz, apparently he was a top prospect.

[Frayed Knot]

From BA:
Nelson Cruz' hot hitting was not enough to keep him in the Brewers organization. The Triple-A Nashville outfielder hit his 20th home run in his final game for Nashville, which moved him within four of the PCL lead. Cruz, 26, was hitting .323 in July, with hits in all but five games. For the season, 302/.378/.528 with 17 stolen bases.

The biggest caveat there is that he's already 26.
Not too late to have a good career certainly, but a bit old for 'top prospect' status.

[Guest Edgy DC]

The Washington Nationals acquired RHP Shairon Martis from San Francisco in exchange for LHP Mike Stanton.

Stanton, it seems to me, is like the official spokesman for deadline deals.

[TransMonk]

Brewers get 3B David Bell from Philly for RHP Wilfrido Laureano.

http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060728&content_id=1580362&vkey=news_mil&fext=.jsp&c_id=mil

Almost makes up for the one-sided (but not lopsided) trade they made earlier today.

[Zvon]

Wow- Braves delt Wilson Betemit to the Dodgers!
I guess that happened the second after the third out tonight.

How about that Edgy!?
They traded him!

[Frayed Knot]

I had heard rumors of his being dealt but figured Chipper's injury might put an end to that. Wrong again!!!

To the Dodgers for Denys Baez and someone else.